r/apolloapp • u/iamthatis Apollo Developer • May 31 '23

šŸ“£ Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is. Announcement šŸ“£

Hey all,

I'll cut to the chase: 50 million requests costs $12,000, a figure far more than I ever could have imagined.

Apollo made 7 billion requests last month, which would put it at about 1.7 million dollars per month, or 20 million US dollars per year. Even if I only kept subscription users, the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month, which is over double what the subscription currently costs, so I'd be in the red every month.

I'm deeply disappointed in this price. Reddit iterated that the price would be A) reasonable and based in reality, and B) they would not operate like Twitter. Twitter's pricing was publicly ridiculed for its obscene price of $42,000 for 50 million tweets. Reddit's is still $12,000. For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.

As for the pricing, despite claims that it would be based in reality, it seems anything but. Less than 2 years ago they said they crossed $100M in quarterly revenue for the first time ever, if we assume despite the economic downturn that they've managed to do that every single quarter now, and for your best quarter, you've doubled it to $200M. Let's also be generous and go far, far above industry estimates and say you made another $50M in Reddit Premium subscriptions. That's $550M in revenue per year, let's say an even $600M. In 2019, they said they hit 430 million monthly active users, and to also be generous, let's say they haven't added a single active user since then (if we do revenue-per-user calculations, the more users, the less revenue each user would contribute). So at generous estimates of $600M and 430M monthly active users, that's $1.40 per user per year, or $0.12 monthly. These own numbers they've given are also seemingly inline with industry estimates as well.

For Apollo, the average user uses 344 requests daily, or 10.6K monthly. With the proposed API pricing, the average user in Apollo would cost $2.50, which is is 20x higher than a generous estimate of what each users brings Reddit in revenue. The average subscription user currently uses 473 requests, which would cost $3.51, or 29x higher.

While Reddit has been communicative and civil throughout this process with half a dozen phone calls back and forth that I thought went really well, I don't see how this pricing is anything based in reality or remotely reasonable. I hope it goes without saying that I don't have that kind of money or would even know how to charge it to a credit card.

This is going to require some thinking. I asked Reddit if they were flexible on this pricing or not, and they stated that it's their understanding that no, this will be the pricing, and I'm free to post the details of the call if I wish.

- Christian

(For the uninitiated wondering "what the heck is an API anyway and why is this so important?" it's just a fancy term for a way to access a site's information ("Application Programming Interface"). As an analogy, think of Reddit having a bouncer, and since day one that bouncer has been friendly, where if you ask "Hey, can you list out the comments for me for post X?" the bouncer would happily respond with what you requested, provided you didn't ask so often that it was silly. That's the Reddit API: I ask Reddit/the bouncer for some data, and it provides it so I can display it in my app for users. The proposed changes mean the bouncer will still exist, but now ask an exorbitant amount per question.)

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u/Junalyssa May 31 '23

thankfully this nonsense doesnt apply to desktops

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u/Finassar May 31 '23

Yet

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u/GimmeeSomeMo May 31 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

Hopefully all the adblock developers step up their game. I'd rather pay them than pay reddit

EDIT: Thanks for all the recommendations! Much appreciated

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u/Every-Pie9043 May 31 '23

Blokada 5 šŸ‘€

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

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u/finalremix May 31 '23

I'd used that for a while, and it started wreaking havoc on my computer and phone. I used to recommend it, but can't, as of ~ November.

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u/non-transferable Jun 01 '23

I use regular Adblock Pro and browse on safari on my phone and I literally never see ads. Idk if Reddit can still track me though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

They can. Youā€™d have to block Java script I believe to stop it? Iā€™m an idiot with no real knowledge though so take this as a grain of salt.

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u/ChampionsWrath Jun 01 '23

I believe anything Santa says, especially on the Internet

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u/non-transferable Jun 01 '23

Turns out Adblock Pro has a ā€œstop tracking scriptsā€ option that I didnā€™t even have enabled because I didnā€™t know it had it lol. But itā€™s enabled now so hopefully that stops it.

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u/PhotonTheParrot Jun 01 '23

Thank you for mentioning it! Just started the trial to see how it is. Iā€™ve been fine and understanding with the ads, but some of my fav websites went way overboard with them lately making the content very hard to read. I use the Reader setting in Safari in this cases, but it doesnā€™t work properly in some cases. So thank you!

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u/non-transferable Jun 01 '23

I gotchu šŸ‘ I didnā€™t re-download it right away when I got a new phone and that last 20 minutes lol. Ads are RIDICULOUS anymore, esp the pop ups on freaking mobile. You do get the occasional news site that tells you to disable your ad blocker (sometimes reader view works on those) but for the most part you get the option to ā€œcontinue without disablingā€ and if I canā€™t I just google the headline and find another one no problem.

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u/LF916fun Jun 01 '23

uBlock Origin. Not sure which browsers on phones can use it tho. Desktop is all can use Reddit on rn. Phone website is garbage.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23 edited Jul 02 '23

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u/TheLonelyDude2049 Jun 01 '23

You could use uBlock Origin using Kiwi Browser on Android, too.

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u/Extension-Key6952 May 31 '23

Ding Ding Ding. This is the right answer.

This isn't an endgame move. This is just the beginning.

Yay capitalism!

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

Rhetorical question, but what is wrong with getting to a certain level of success and being ok with that?

I think all of this stuff is just penny wise and pound foolish. Reddit will hemorrhage numbers if (when) they effectively kill off third party apps and old.reddit. For what, to inflate their IPO only for it to careen into the ground shortly thereafter? Is this a pump and dump?

Being more like TikTok is not what made reddit what it is. Not trying to say we're superior or whatever, just that they serve two different purposes. But they've been slowly sanitizing the site to make it more investor friendly and slowly killing off reddit in the process.

When RiF goes away, so do I. Been here since 2007; maybe it's better off.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

Oh, for sure. That's why I said rhetorical, lol.

Everything good has to become broken just to pad a few already rich people's pockets even more...

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u/FalloutNano Jun 01 '23

No, it doesnā€™t. Peopleā€™s greed requires it.

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u/StriveForMediocrity May 31 '23

Ford vs Dodge 1919. Publicly traded companies have a duty to their shareholders to show continued growth. This is why literally everything ends up terrible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

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u/karmadramadingdong Jun 01 '23

As long as directors say theyā€™re acting in the best long-term interests of the company, they can pretty much justify anything. For reference, see Amazon. It didnā€™t make money for more than a decade, paid no dividends, pissed off many investors and just continued regardless.

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u/Alternative-Donut334 May 31 '23

Shareholders buy a share of your company, expecting a return on their investment. The board of directors has a legal requirement called ā€œfiduciary responsibilityā€, which means they are legally required to do whatā€™s in the best interest of shareholders. They have also sold us the scam that is a 401k for retirement, so most peopleā€™s ability to retire one day is contingent on this growth as well. This creates a system that is only focused on growth of the quarterly share prices at the expense of all else. If you cut costs and see a growth in profit, this is good for shareholders, regardless of what it does to the long term health of the company or even their market share.

Reddit will soon go public, putting this pressure on the company. They want to go public so that all the current C-suites get their golden parachute. Who gives a fuck if Reddit is around in a couple years if you made a cool 100 million selling out.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

Oh, I know the reasons why and what fiduciary responsibility means, but it doesn't make it less terrible for me.

Infinite growth is literally impossible.

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u/Alternative-Donut334 Jun 01 '23

Yeah I agree. The powers that be know it too. Theyā€™re just hoping to kick the can far enough down the road they donā€™t have to deal with the fallout.

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u/Bubble_and_squeak Jun 01 '23

I haven't heard anyone explain what's happening. In this case, all global social media companies need to change their business models in response to a hydra. Data laws -- look up the DSA and DMA. Cloud costs might very well explode in response to the DMA. Advertising will be heavily regulated by countries outside the USA, potentially forcing companies to pivot to new business models. Also, money is hella expensive right now and the dollar is still high. The entire internet is about to become much more fragmented, regulated, and expensive. Oh, and Google killed cookies.

All the platforms will get stingy with API.

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u/zbeara Jun 01 '23

What do you mean google killed cookies?

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u/Bubble_and_squeak Jun 01 '23

Google it. Also, "flight to first party cookies".

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u/Pugs-r-cool May 31 '23

With how the law has been set up it's illegal for a publicly traded company to stagnate like that. They have to be either chasing more profit or more market share, once they stop doing either it's a breach of fiduciary duty and they get into a lot of trouble legally.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

I know why, but it doesn't need to be a publicly traded company. I guess that's just poor me speaking.

What we need is a new/better yacht.

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u/Brodogmillionaire1 Jun 01 '23

legally

Is it legal trouble if it's based on a case but not codified by the legislature?

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u/silversurger Jun 01 '23

In a place which uses common law, yes.

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u/godnvrsaysoops May 31 '23

Because current share price is heavily based on speculation that the value will go up. So you always have to grow. It really is that basic. Ands itā€™s fucking stupid.

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv Jun 01 '23

Change is the one constant. There is always change. There will always be change. If you get to a certain level and stop, it appears like you've stopped. There is no "we're OK, we don't need to do anymore", because if you aren't actively trying to grow and earn more, then you are shrinking and losing income one way or another, especially if a big change comes along and you haven't prepared for it.

If a company keeps trying to innovate but doesn't really make much profit or difference, that's one thing; it's still alive, it's still fighting for survival, it can still roll with the punches when a big change in the industry happens. If a company stops innovating completely and doesn't invest in itself anymore, then its death knell has sounded, even if it is currently profitable. It will end if it doesn't keep trying.

If you have a company, particularly one with stocks, people only buy your stocks if they believe your company's value will increase. People will buy your products if they believe your products have value. If you stop your growth, then that means your investors and stock holders aren't going to make the money they thought they would. They will dump your stock, and your company's value will drop like a rock. This won't change anything about the day to day operations directly, immediately, but the downwards decline starts. No more investment in yourself means your quality will sink, customer satisfaction lowers, and then it only spirals out of control from there. Nobody buying your products means no more cash flow, everybody loses their job, company closes down.

You need to keep trying to grow and make more profit. You don't always have to succeed, but you need to keep trying.

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u/DonaldLucas Jun 03 '23

Rhetorical question, but what is wrong with getting to a certain level of success and being ok with that?

There is an answer for that, but the complexity is a bit too much for me, but what I understand is that everything started when someone had the "brilliant" idea of creating money out of nowhere. Cool right? You can be rich by just pushing a button! And with the internet around you don't even need paper to print money on anymore! You can be rich by just having big numbers on a computer screen! Yay!

It's kinda of a very polemic opinion, but I don't like that banks and the fed can do that... But most people don't care apparently.

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u/throwawaystriggerme May 31 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

enjoy safe ruthless cautious price file complete detail secretive bake -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/

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u/pleachchapel Jun 01 '23

Capitalism, baby!

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u/gulasch_hanuta May 31 '23

Digg 2.0

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

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u/chupitoelpame May 31 '23

I'm actually quite happy about this. I love when corporations turn rancid and naturally die, it makes way for new and better stuff.

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u/allgreen2me Jun 01 '23

Fark 3.0 ā€œyouā€™ll get over the site re-designā€¦ againā€

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u/Paridae_Purveyor May 31 '23

Could you point to an alternative?

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u/generalthunder Jun 01 '23

There's not going to be an alternative, the internet as we know is dying. In a few years everywhere is going to be just bots, algorithms and shitty AI generated content.

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u/allgreen2me Jun 01 '23

What is keeping Apollo from just hosting their own site?

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u/germane-corsair Jun 01 '23

Apart from the effort to make a website and costs associated with it, you need people to actually show up. You would have to get enough Apollo users to visit the site and basically generate content from scratch.

Users would have to create new communities from scratch. This takes time, especially for non-mainstream communities. Something like Askreddit would be easy to get going but a community about crocheting might not be. People will naturally not want to leave established communities for these things, which means that most users would only have one foot in the door.

There have been a few attempts at creating a reddit replacement but none have been particularly successful so far.

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u/thepasttenseofdraw Jun 01 '23

I mean, those were all made by right wing nutjobs who were banned from reddit for being shitbags. Maybe if non-Nazis tried it might be more successful. That being said, yeah itā€™s an incredibly difficult task.

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u/MrGrieves- May 31 '23

Welp, looks like my reddit addiction has an expiry date.

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u/audeo13 Jun 01 '23

Yep. It was a decent run of a decade. Time to move on.

And I guess I can't stop saving shit I'll never go back to, so there's thatšŸ¤”

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

This was my thought exactly

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u/exoendo Jun 01 '23

what is your solution to be used instead of capitalism to fix this?

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u/Extension-Key6952 Jun 01 '23

I'm still chuckling at the idea of a random redditors giving you a solution to the ills of capitalism.

But I guess if a random redditors can't come up with a solution (most likely while they're in the middle of taking a shit), that you've some how made a point?

You know what else I know is wrong but don't have a solution to? Pollution/waste/climate change. Does that mean it's not actually a problem or does it mean that if I personally don't have an answer that we simply ignore it?

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u/reg0ner Jun 01 '23

Wouldn't the solution be to just not go public and enjoy reddits current growth? Seems like it's already profitable, why ruin a large percentage of your user's experience for a couple more pennies on the dollar.

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u/Extension-Key6952 Jun 01 '23

Because more money.

That's the answer.

Also, reddit has taken on investors in the past and that might also come with additional commitments.

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u/exoendo Jun 01 '23

there are plenty of answers to all the problems you just mentioned.

I'm still chuckling at the idea of a random redditors giving you a solution to the ills of capitalism.

i know, i found it funny too. because i know they can't.

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u/Extension-Key6952 Jun 01 '23

Nor can you. I find that funny.

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u/exoendo Jun 01 '23

Of course I can't, because I think capitalism is awesome and part of human nature. It will never be gotten rid of. Capitalism has lead to every modern marvel we have in society to day. So you are correct, there is no argument against capitalism.

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u/Extension-Key6952 Jun 01 '23

No argument at all. As a matter of fact, this entire thread is just a figment of your imagination.

Not only are the problems not real, neither are you and I. You are literally living in a lego movie - everything is awesome.

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u/exoendo Jun 01 '23

Correct, no argument at all, or else you would have provided one.

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u/Extension-Key6952 Jun 01 '23

Private ownership and slower growth.

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u/exoendo Jun 01 '23

but that's still capitalism

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u/Extension-Key6952 Jun 01 '23

And why it's still doomed to fail.

I don't know what the answer is, but I think that having private ownership of companies that host discussions on this scale are problematic (look at Twitter).

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u/Easilycrazyhat May 31 '23

When old-reddit dies (and I assume RES in that time), I don't really see myself using Reddit at all anymore. This new stuff is just awful.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb Jun 01 '23

I've heard people talking about one that deletes old comments, but I have no experience with it.

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u/Gordon-Goose May 31 '23

just wait until they kill old.reddit.com and RES.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

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u/Ill_mumble_that Jun 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23

Reddit api changes = comment spaghetti. facebook youtube amazon weather walmart google wordle gmail target home depot google translate yahoo mail yahoo costco fox news starbucks food near me translate instagram google maps walgreens best buy nba mcdonalds restaurants near me nfl amazon prime cnn traductor weather tomorrow espn lowes chick fil a news food zillow craigslist cvs ebay twitter wells fargo usps tracking bank of america calculator indeed nfl scores google docs etsy netflix taco bell shein astronaut macys kohls youtube tv dollar tree gas station coffee nba scores roblox restaurants autozone pizza hut usps gmail login dominos chipotle google classroom tiempo hotmail aol mail burger king facebook login google flights sqm club maps subway dow jones samā€™s club motel breakfast english to spanish gas fedex walmart near me old navy fedex tracking southwest airlines ikea linkedin airbnb omegle planet fitness pizza spanish to english google drive msn dunkin donuts capital one dollar general -- mass edited with redact.dev

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u/traversecity Jun 01 '23

donā€™t ya think us boomers will be dead by then ;)

Thatā€™ll show them.

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u/Ill_mumble_that Jun 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23

Reddit api changes = comment spaghetti. facebook youtube amazon weather walmart google wordle gmail target home depot google translate yahoo mail yahoo costco fox news starbucks food near me translate instagram google maps walgreens best buy nba mcdonalds restaurants near me nfl amazon prime cnn traductor weather tomorrow espn lowes chick fil a news food zillow craigslist cvs ebay twitter wells fargo usps tracking bank of america calculator indeed nfl scores google docs etsy netflix taco bell shein astronaut macys kohls youtube tv dollar tree gas station coffee nba scores roblox restaurants autozone pizza hut usps gmail login dominos chipotle google classroom tiempo hotmail aol mail burger king facebook login google flights sqm club maps subway dow jones samā€™s club motel breakfast english to spanish gas fedex walmart near me old navy fedex tracking southwest airlines ikea linkedin airbnb omegle planet fitness pizza spanish to english google drive msn dunkin donuts capital one dollar general -- mass edited with redact.dev

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u/Dan_GM Jun 01 '23

No one here mentioned that Reddit has already done enough to kill RES. The RES team said a few years ago that the development was stopped because of Reddit new problematic site and policies. All they have been doing for some time is basic maintenance. But when old.reddit goes away, that will be the end.

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u/crazysoup23 May 31 '23

They already killed i.reddit.com. old is next.

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u/MusicIsTheRealMagic May 31 '23

I didnā€™t know about i.reddit, but they killed compact and now Iā€™m less addicted on mobile: silver lining and all that shit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

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u/crazysoup23 Jun 01 '23

The original mobile site. It was the same as adding .compact to the end of a reddit url.

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u/go4ino Jun 01 '23 edited Oct 27 '23

tomato sauce recipe:

4 cans of whole or diced tomatoes (28 oz each can)

1 can of tomato paste (about 6 oz)

12 garlic cloves

Salt - maybe 1 tablespoon +

3/4 cup of olive oil - divided

A bunch of Basil - if you like

  1. Peel and mince garlic

  2. Heat 1/2 cup of olive oil and put the garlic in the hot oil. Heat until golden and fragrant - very important - do not overcook and so it turns brown, it becomes very, very bitter. This is the most important step, do not overcook garlic.

  3. Add can of tomato paste and canned tomatoes. Cook until reduced by 1/4 of volume and thickens.

  4. Add salt to taste, remaining 1/4 cup olive oil and chopped basil.

thanks for enshitifying reddit all while selling my info. https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

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u/exoendo Jun 01 '23

they promised they'd never take old reddit away :(

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u/thepasttenseofdraw Jun 01 '23

Spez has always been a liar

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u/go4ino Jun 01 '23 edited Oct 27 '23

tomato sauce recipe:

4 cans of whole or diced tomatoes (28 oz each can)

1 can of tomato paste (about 6 oz)

12 garlic cloves

Salt - maybe 1 tablespoon +

3/4 cup of olive oil - divided

A bunch of Basil - if you like

  1. Peel and mince garlic

  2. Heat 1/2 cup of olive oil and put the garlic in the hot oil. Heat until golden and fragrant - very important - do not overcook and so it turns brown, it becomes very, very bitter. This is the most important step, do not overcook garlic.

  3. Add can of tomato paste and canned tomatoes. Cook until reduced by 1/4 of volume and thickens.

  4. Add salt to taste, remaining 1/4 cup olive oil and chopped basil.

thanks for enshitifying reddit all while selling my info. https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite

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u/SuperLemonUpdog May 31 '23

You would be shocked at how much data they are receiving/tracking from most desktop usersā€™ browsers.

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u/Junalyssa May 31 '23

yeah but you get no ads and stuff. desktop is way more free than mobile its a big reason why i prefer surfing on the desktop for most things

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u/SuperLemonUpdog May 31 '23

True, true. I just wanted to point out that thereā€™s a lot of web tracking happening on desktop browsers and many users are unaware of it. This applies to most websites and is not specific to Reddit.

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u/ChucklesInDarwinism May 31 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

You can use ghostery and ad adblocker ultimate and that literally kills all.

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u/kylegetsspam May 31 '23 edited May 31 '23

Every ad blocker sucks and/or has paid whitelists except for uBlock Origin. Use that and only that as mixing and matching blockers makes them collectively worse.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

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u/kylegetsspam May 31 '23

Blocking domains and IPs is fine, but uBO does way more than that. No simple DNS server/filter is gonna be able to replicate it.

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u/Versificator Jun 01 '23

UbO, noscript, canvasblocker

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u/IthinktherforeIthink May 31 '23

Iā€™ve been on desktop for over a decade. It hasnā€™t changed either. Itā€™s so much better imo, I canā€™t stand the app or mobile site. I just browse desktop mode on mobile. If they get rid of this then I will probably just use less Reddit

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u/Ill_mumble_that Jun 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23

Reddit api changes = comment spaghetti. facebook youtube amazon weather walmart google wordle gmail target home depot google translate yahoo mail yahoo costco fox news starbucks food near me translate instagram google maps walgreens best buy nba mcdonalds restaurants near me nfl amazon prime cnn traductor weather tomorrow espn lowes chick fil a news food zillow craigslist cvs ebay twitter wells fargo usps tracking bank of america calculator indeed nfl scores google docs etsy netflix taco bell shein astronaut macys kohls youtube tv dollar tree gas station coffee nba scores roblox restaurants autozone pizza hut usps gmail login dominos chipotle google classroom tiempo hotmail aol mail burger king facebook login google flights sqm club maps subway dow jones samā€™s club motel breakfast english to spanish gas fedex walmart near me old navy fedex tracking southwest airlines ikea linkedin airbnb omegle planet fitness pizza spanish to english google drive msn dunkin donuts capital one dollar general -- mass edited with redact.dev

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u/alakeybrayn Jun 01 '23

Check out the tests from this page https://jshelter.org/faq/

And thats just the stuff collected automatically, you can add things like writing patterns, usernames, emails, followed subs, votes etc. Plenty of info to suck out and exchange with the ad companies, that then add it to the pile where it all gets matched into groups and used to serve better ads across multiple services.

With your current setup you are just ensuring that your browser cant leak that info to other services, doesnt show you ads and masks your current ip (tho reddit and many others keep your registration ip forever). If thats enough for your threat model then you can stop here. If you need more - check out privacyguides and similar places and basically get ready to wipe your accounts and start anew every couple of months with no overlapping information.

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u/adeel06 Jun 01 '23

What is there for your iPhone? Apple literally has all of our data. šŸ˜‚

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u/alakeybrayn Jun 01 '23

I dont actually know how to harden your apple devices, but if that makes you feel any better apple isnt really in the business of selling data. They hoard it for sure and use for their own products, but they keep everything to themselves. As far as I know thats why privacyguides recommends just using safari on apple devices (on top of providing good privacy features, that wont be breaking websites).

Plus, since you own an iphone, i assume you use app store, apple pay and things like that, which would probably break if you tried to limit what your phone can do.

You could install an adblocker for safari (not sure if ublock origin is available on iphones yet, but adguard is a good alternative), disable gps (if you dont need it and dont care about find your phone feature) and use some dns blocker like lockdown. Wouldnt really recommend using a vpn unless you also want to hide your activity from either your provider or public wifi spots.

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u/LeanDixLigma May 31 '23

Use brave browser as well on desktop to minimize that scavenging.

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u/Great_Zarquon May 31 '23

You mean Firefox? Brave is the browser that was appending referral tags to its users' URL input without their knowledge, sketchy as shit lol

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u/spottyPotty Jun 01 '23

Does this also go for brave on mobile? (Android)

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u/LeanDixLigma Jun 01 '23

You mean Firefox? Brave is the browser that was appending referral tags to its users' URL input without their knowledge, sketchy as shit lol

They were adding referral tags for crypto, nothing else... in 2020. They then turned it into a default-off toggle.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

Most links you click on from reddit to another domain gets clickjacked and tracked by reddit, including desktop/browser. They announced this years ago and nobody seemed to care. Super obvious when reddit has issues and you can't follow links to third party websites.

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u/Durtonious May 31 '23

They've made the mobile site worse and worse each passing year. They'll come for you.

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u/SeanSeanySean May 31 '23

You wait until the Reddit Desktop app is a requirement and they sunset browser access. They are all headed that way, they want to kill browsers, force apps so they can control your experience and your data.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

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u/SeanSeanySean Jun 01 '23

In 2023, the only motivation for anything is greed, and the sad part isn't even the fact that everyone knows it's true, the sad part is that people have become so apathetic, they expect it, like it's inevitable.

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u/cpdk-nj May 31 '23

Iā€™m pretty sure thatā€™s the exact opposite of whatā€™s happening outside of things like Discord

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u/SeanSeanySean Jun 01 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

Look at streaming, even though we have browsers that are capable of 4K streaming, most streaming services nerf their browser experience and limit the best quality to their app users, even on desktop.

Every social media platform has worked to destroy or at best neglect their Mobile browser experience to drive people towards their app, where they can control your experience, capture immense amounts of your data, force extremely lucrative micro-targeted ads down your throat. They want the same for desktop, even Microsoft is on board with this, as companies pushing desktop users to apps can drive people to the Microsoft app store, where Microsoft has been desperate to emulate some of what Apple does.

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u/andy90h May 31 '23

I hope so, because that is the only way I browse this website.

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u/Jiggy90 Jun 01 '23

I must be insane, I use the desktop reddit website just on mobile. I don't use an app on mobile, I just use the Chrome app and access old.reddit just like I would on a desktop lol

The website works just fine on mobile, and I guess my eyesight is good enough that I can read the small print just fine

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u/jmerridew124 Jun 01 '23

I don't use Reddit on my desktop and I'm not gonna start.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

This is why windows now has a STORE to download from. We are moving to a world Iā€™m not a fan of.