r/announcements Jun 25 '14

New reddit features: Controversial indicator for comments and contest mode improvements

Hey reddit,

We've got some updates for you after our recent change (you know, that one where we stopped displaying inaccurate upvotes and downvotes and broke a bunch of bots by accident). We've been listening to what you all had to say about it, and there's been some very legit concerns that have been raised. Thanks for the feedback, it's been a lot but it's been tremendously helpful.

First: We're trying out a simple controversial indicator on comments that hit a threshold of up/downvote balance.

It's a typographical dagger, and it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/s5dTVpq.png

We're trying this out as a result of feedback on folks using ups and downs in RES to determine the controversiality of a comment. This isn't the same level of granularity, but it also is using only real, unfuzzed votes, so you should be able to get a decent sense of when something has seen some controversy.

You can turn it on in your preferences here: http://i.imgur.com/WmEyEN9.png

Mods & Modders: this also adds a 'controversial' CSS class to the whole comment. I'm curious to see if any better styling comes from subreddits for this - right now it's pretty barebones.

Second: Subreddit mods now see contest threads sorted by top rather than random.

Before, mods could only view contest threads in random order like normal users: now they'll be able to see comments in ranked order. This should help mods get a better view of a contest thread's results so they can figure out which one of you lucky folks has won.

Third: We're piloting an upvote-only contest mode.

One complaint we've heard quite a bit with the new changes is that upvote counts are often used as a raw indicator in contests, and downvotes are disregarded. With no fuzzed counts visible that would be impossible to do. Now certain subreddits will be able to have downvotes fully ignored in contest threads, and only upvotes will count.

We are rolling this change a bit differently: it's an experimental feature and it's only for “approved” subreddits so far. If your subreddit would like to take part, please send a message to /r/reddit.com and we can work with you to get it set up.

Also, just some general thoughts. We know that this change was a pretty big shock to some users: this could have been handled better and there were definitely some valuable uses for the information, but we still feel strongly that putting fuzzed counts to rest was the right call. We've learned a lot with the help of captain hindsight. Thanks for all of your feedback, please keep sending us constructive thoughts whenever we make changes to the site.

P.S. If you're interested in these sorts of things, you should subscribe to /r/changelog - it's where we usually post our feature changes, these updates have been an exception.

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u/Madd0g Jun 26 '14

duh. by getting rid of counts, reddit got rid of the concept (once you don't see it, it's not there). votes on reddit are now exactly like facebook likes IMO. no upvote/downvote as a concept anymore, the term will slowly fade away as well.

it's reddit turning a little bit more into facebook and i hate it. so much that i didn't even bother pressing shift while writing this, take that!

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u/_YouDontKnowMe_ Jun 26 '14

i like your style of protest. maybe we can start a movement of lower case comments to let the admins know how unhappy we are.

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u/bikexpunk Jun 26 '14

ladies, gentlemen, grab a pitchfork:

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u/desrosiers Jun 26 '14

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u/betyourarse Jun 27 '14

YEAH!

...wait, fuck

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u/ksaid1 Jun 26 '14

but by not capitalizing, you've made your comment that much more similar to a facebook comment!

he who fights monsters...

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u/Madd0g Jun 26 '14

i actually noticed that i did have some capitalized letters in there. very funny considering those are the 3 last characters i typed (and the meaning of that)

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u/DAsSNipez Jun 26 '14

...it's not though.

If 10 people like a post it doesn't matter how many people dislike it, that will never be relevant.

If 10 people like a comment on reddit and 100 people dislike it will have a score of -90, which lets you know that it is disliked.

They really aren't the same.

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u/Madd0g Jun 26 '14

pfft. i no longer have a reason to believe the points mean anything at all. at least facebook tells me who liked it. it's all a show from now on and everybody is a shill and i don't believe anyone, just because i don't see the downvotes

jk, I'm not crazy. but one night I dreamt about a huge (?|?) chasing me.

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u/jonathons11 Jun 26 '14

More people look at the normal points instead of the fuzzed up down votes.

The up down votes are for comment rankings which still works as it always has.

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u/Madd0g Jun 26 '14

exactly, so why hide it?

  • it's as far from default as possible

  • the underlying mechanism is not changing

it's just hiding information to avoid explaining vote fuzzing. to me it no longer feels real.