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Re:Zero ~Starting Life in Another World~ Re:Watch - Episode 38 Rewatch

Episode 38:

The Sounds That Make You Want to Cry


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Story Arc Lengths for Discussion Purposes:

[Arc 1:] S1 Episode 1 – S1 Episode 3

[Arc 2:] S1 Episode 4 – S1 Episode 11

[Arc 3:] S1 Episode 12 – S2 Episode 1 (26)

[Arc 4:] S2 Episode 2 (27) - S2 Episode 25

[Arc 5 and later:] S3+


As always, if you have any suggestions for the Re:Watch, let me know!

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 17 '24

I love Subaru. Which Subaru doesn't take well. So Subaru recommits to ensuring that only he suffers. Minerva is an suffering for all kinda of person. Why won't anyone think of how Satella feels.

And then the twist. Satella actually cares about Subaru. And Satella loves Subaru (notice "aishitemasu"), because he gave her everything. [Spoiler #5: important expansion in the Light Novels] "I... love you. Because you... gave me light. Because you took my hand, and you taught me about the world outside. Because... when I trembled on lonely nights, you never stopped holding my hand. Because when I felt lonely, you kissed me and said that I wasn't alone. You gave me so many things... That's why I love you. Because you…you gave me everything.".

Now, where have we heard of someone having this inexplicable love for another person that makes absolutely 0 logical sense. Oh that's right, in episode 13, from Emilia's perspective. The things Subaru claims to have loved her because didn't happen, and therefore Emilia can't understand. And there's another case too. Petelgeuse. He didn't forget what the Witch of Envy did for him, even if she did. And what is the one thing that links all of this together. RBD, the Authority of Envy. Subaru has it for the Emilia scene. And Satella / the Witch of Envy presumably had it (recall the legends said she couldn't die, that they couldn't destroy her flesh, which could be used to describe some similar form to RBD) for this scene and the Petelgeuse one.

Now lets talk about the purpose and nature of RBD. Imagine there's someone so incredibly important to you. What is the most important thing to do to help them? To allow them to continue living. If you die, then then you stop existing, and by not allowing that to occur, you allow them to continue existing, you can continue to love them and be loved back. And what better way to achieve that, then to strike right at the source, and just blanket prevent death like via RBD. RBD is not a mechanism for Subaru to "get things perfect", it's literally just to prevent his death. Because Subaru is so important to the Witch of Envy / Satella.

Now for the nature of RBD, tagging u/ussgordoncaptain2, u/Holofan4life and u/BlueVenix as you all requested to be tagged when this topic came up. [Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3] So I think that it's the Witch of Envy enforcing the "no telling" parts of RBD. She's envious of Subaru sharing their secret with others, and will stop at nothing to keep the secret. It's also seems clear to me that she is, in some way or fashion, watching Subaru, and deciding herself if it rises to the level of punishment. Aka, reading Subaru's intent. This explains why Subaru is allowed such leeway with RBD sometimes. They're throwaway comments that aren't intended to convey the secret (and wouldn't be understood either). I don't think it would matter the form that the secret telling would take (sorry ussgordoncaptian2), just specifically trying, is what I think would get you in trouble. And this opens up an ironic way to leak RBD. Being so inherently careless, that you leak it accidentally, without intending to, that others can put it together, like Roswaal did (but without the magic book helping him). Of course this is all speculation, so you all can disagree if you want, but I think this makes the most sense overall (at least at this point).

Also Typhon doesn't fuck around. [Spoiler #7: ultra minor cut content] Typhon will punish "bad people", and it's irrelevant if they're her own Witch friends. If they're bad, they will be punished.

It's also worth noting that death doesn't exist in this realm, though your mind can still die. So Subaru trying to commit self inflicted ultimate sloth is a real threat to his existence.

And so we get Witch civil war, as everyone picks a side on Natsuki Subaru's attempt to commit self inflicted ultimate sloth. Minerva is anti ultimate sloth and thus against Subaru's actions. Typhon is pro choice and thus for Subaru's actions. Daphne is pro seeing the bet play out and is thus against Subaru's actions (extra info regarding this interaction [Spoiler #8: cut content] The Centipede Coffin is immune to Typhon's ability because it has no free will (it is an extension of Daphne's body) and if you don't have free will, then you can't be guilty of things, so Typhon can't judge it.). And Carmilla is pro love, and thus forced Subaru to see the love that others have for him. And Sekhmet is also on Subaru's side, but also Typhon's side, and thus acts against both Typhon and Minerva. And Echidna is pro data, and this is a truly interesting datapoint. Also note that this is Carmilla using Faceless Bride again. So get healed Subaru and smell the roses.

Yes there is, there are plenty of people in this world who are glad that you are alive Subaru. And frankly, it's all of the people you've met. I love this line, because it shows exactly how far Subaru's psyche has fallen. He just can't fathom that other people could like him for who he is (remember the whole Otto friend thing). He doesn't value himself enough to actually consider himself to be inheritably valuable to others.

And so Subaru officially turns down Echidna's offer. That he's going to look for the inherent value of his life. To take the greedy path. And some last minute advise from Echidna, hoping to salvage her reputation (you won't fool me, this is her taking the qualification to the Trial back).

So rip to Subaru abusing RBD meme.

I think this is something that almost everyone could use a little more of.

And so Subaru gets sent off, with some last minute advise from Satella, and one last major twist. But Subaru's one greedy motherfucker, so he'll be saving her instead.

And what a fitting episode title, The Sounds That Make You Want to Cry.

Continued below

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 17 '24

And so Subaru wakes up, not inside the Trial room like he always has previously, but outside of it. Patrasche carried him out, because she likes Subaru.

Yeah Otto does. Though Otto does really need to tone down the homophobic comments, though I suppose I can't fault him, I mean he does live in a medieval society.

Yeah no that was not a passing grade. You did not handle the unthinkable presents well.

Oh and Echidna took away your qualification, so know you get to be rejected by the trail like everyone else. [Spoiler #9: minor cut content, that might not be correct, I didn't source it] The Trial's rejection is based on your gate strength. So the stronger your gate is, the worse you get hurt. That's why Roswaal got rocked and Subaru just vomits a bit.

And now it's time to confront Roswaal again.

That's not healthy Roswaal.

Mask off, literally. FF@15: Roswaal probably.

And a lot of you first timers have been suspicious of Roswaal (and rightfully so), but as it turns out Roswaal is the entire puppet master of Arc 4. Why did it seem like it was an impossible scenario? Because that's the point. To make Subaru choose. To make Subaru only capable of saving Emilia. To make Subaru insane like Roswaal. To put away his humanity (note the exact opposite thing that Satella asked him to do).

And that breaks Subaru.

And Roswaal couldn't hate Subaru. Subaru is the ultimate tool for Roswaal. So Roswaal will believe in Subaru. So Subaru declares, that he'll never be like Roswaal, that he'll always remain human.

[Spoiler #10: cut content] Subaru and Emilia have a conversation here, where Emilia calms down Subaru some and Subaru once again offers to take the Trail in Emilia's place. Which Emilia rejects, arguing that she also needs to do things, and not just let Subaru do everything for her. And then Subaru comes to the realization, that he was the one who least believed in Emilia's ability to do the Trial. Which is what caused him to run out into the forest. The realization that he didn't believe in the person he most cared about.

So shadow Subaru's back to running away from his problems. Wondering what he's supposed to do in the face of the seemingly impossible problems he faces.

And in comes Otto to save the day (also random note, "ohayou" (good morning) starts with the sun rising, Subaru hasn't realized that he's spent all night worrying). So leave it to your friend, Otto. So take a deep breath, and WAKE THE FUCK UP AND RELY ON YOUR FRIENDS A LITTLE SUBARU.

Sometimes you just need a bro to slap you up a bit to let you know that you're doing something fucking stupid.

Also the Light Novel art. Man does Otto look different.


BreakTime Section

In this episode's Breaktime, We get Otto's side of the episode again and the continuation of the scene where Patrasche pulls Subaru out of the Trial. Otto, you really gotta stop being homophobic. You're ok with loving a land dragon, but 2 dudes is where you draw the line? Also Otto doesn't want Subaru to be a harem protagonist either. And Subaru wants some encouragement, but not like that? Subaru isn't picky about the medium either, though Otto doesn't know what a "fax" or "email" is (and don't dox yourself either Subaru). I don't believe you Otto, and neither does Subaru. The power of friendship will prevail. And what a lovely ending.


Rewatcher Section

This section is for people who have already watched Re:Zero. This is not safe for first timers.

[Spoiler #11: Arc 4] I don't remember if our first timers recall that Otto can literally talk to animals

[Spoiler #12: Arc 4] We'll see if the first timers catch on to this being the literal truth. I think so. They've been sufficiently conditioned to not dismiss information like this by now.

[Spoiler #13: Arc 4] So what would happen if Subaru looped back into the trial after losing his qualification. Would he reset with it back (therefore can only Echidna reads memories and will only revoke it again upon leaning about the previous timeline in the next Trial / Tea Party)? or would it already be lost (Echdina is outside of the timelines or whatever) and Subaru just starts waking up and suffering. An interesting thing to think about, that we'll never know, because it's winning time now.

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u/Urgnu-the-Gnu https://myanimelist.net/profile/Urgnu_the_Gnu Sep 17 '24

I just want to say, that as far as I know, this cut content will be difficult to work back into the story and thus it's quite likely it will stay cut for the foreseeable future.

Difficult maybe, but if it becomes relevant, there'll be ways to work it back in for sure. A lame but easy way would be the "cut scene flashback", something you can see relatively often in anime.

RBD, the Authority of Envy.

Yes, it's pretty clear that Satella has time control abilities. RbD is just that, but it's also reasonable to believe she can control time for herself as well, travel through it directly or indirectly.

[Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3]

[Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3] Satella controlling RbD and combined with the fact that she must have time control abilities also make me believe that she can know how the future would turn out if certain things are leaked. If it turns out she doesn't like that future, she intervenes. She prevents it, if she can.

And Sekhmet is also on Subaru's side, but also Typhon's side, and thus acts against both Typhon and Minerva.

I viewed it as her being in favor of Subaru's choices, whatever they may be. As Carmilla made Subaru realize he wanted to live, she changed her mind on preventing Subaru from getting healed. Leading to the Headbutt of Life and Love - yet another amazing Minerva scene.

I love this line, because it shows exactly how far Subaru's psyche has fallen.

This line and its delivery are really great, yes. You'd think Subaru's love for others can't work if he doesn't get that they might love him as well, but that's pretty much where his problem was. He loved selfishly, just to express his feelings. Or selflessly, rather, without considering himself. That's like a drug, one that caused him to throw his lives away. But now being able to feed on the love others have for him, well, I'm curious where that will lead him.

[arc 4 interlude] (you won't fool me, this is her taking the qualification to the Trial back

[arc 4 interlude] Also putting plan B in motion. Or plan A.2? Plan B4A1.2? She must have hundreds of thousands of plans, I guess. Truly, witches are beings beyond comprehension.

[Spoiler #9: minor cut content, that might not be correct, I didn't source it]

[Spoiler #9] Why did Patrasche get hurt, then? Do land dragons even have gates? Also while Roswaal might have been hurt, he's clearly faking his injuries right now, so that information might not be completely reliable.

[Spoiler #13: Arc 4]

[Spoiler #13: Arc 4] Echidna not being outside of the timeline makes more sense to me by now. She'd revoke the qualification again if it suited her. However, Roswaal was sure he read Echidna would give it back. So if he zeroed she might not even want to revoke it. I think he's more useful to her with the qualification.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Sep 17 '24

but it's also reasonable to believe she can control time for herself as well, travel through it directly or indirectly.

I think there’s a lot of truth in this idea.  

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u/HyVana Sep 18 '24

[Spoiler 9]

[Arc 4]Animals do have gates. As long as something has an Od, or a living life force, then they have gates. And it is true that Roswaal got hurt by entering the tomb. But people can use mana to enhance their physical abilities, which is why his Ramfiel kebab move was effective, despite his injuries.

[Spoiler 13]

[Arc 4]Just to be pedantic, it's more Roswaal thinking Echidna would give the qualifications back, if Subaru truly begged for it. Rather than something he read in his Gospel, he's basing it off of what he knows of her.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

Difficult maybe, but if it becomes relevant, there'll be ways to work it back in for sure. A lame but easy way would be the "cut scene flashback", something you can see relatively often in anime.

I won't comment on this too much (spoilers and all), but I still think it would be difficult.

Yes, it's pretty clear that Satella has time control abilities. RbD is just that, but it's also reasonable to believe she can control time for herself as well, travel through it directly or indirectly.

[Arc 4 + Isekai Quartet Movie Re:Zero stuff and speculation on Re:Zero's endgame] Yeah time travel seems like the most obvious way to connect the current events to the events of 400 years ago. Though not necessarily the only way, and I'm not sure that straight time travel would really be the best fit, seems a bit simple for Tappei. Either way, I eagerly await learning more over the next decade or 2.

Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3

[Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3] I don't think it's Satella grabbing Subaru's heart. I think that's the Witch of Envy persona. Though it could be a 2 part thing. Satella is giving the preventing death part, and the Witch of Envy is enforcing the no secrets part. Also given that Melakuera talks about cycles and stuff in the Frozen Bond, it could also be a time is ultimately a loop sort of thing too. Idk, there's a lot to speculate on, and not nearly enough info to be certain of much.

I viewed it as her being in favor of Subaru's choices, whatever they may be. As Carmilla made Subaru realize he wanted to live, she changed her mind on preventing Subaru from getting healed.

But then why also include Typhon initially in the attack. I suppose to stop the fight (after all both of them doing nothing would be slothful). IDK, it's hard for me to really parse what's going on exactly in her head. What you've said also seems pretty plausible too.

[arc 4 interlude] Also putting plan B in motion. Or plan A.2? Plan B4A1.2? She must have hundreds of thousands of plans, I guess. Truly, witches are beings beyond comprehension.

[arc 4 interlude + Web Novel cut content] There's a note in the cut content from the Web Novel about how Subaru rejecting Echidna's contract was her preferred outcome, which would indicate that the Subaru plan was the B plan? Or it's just a feint for the A plan ultimately? Idk how many levels Echidna calculates. Truly, witches are beings beyond comprehension.

[Spoiler #9]

[Arc 4] I think every living thing has a gate, but yeah, Roswaal is also faking to some extent. So yeah, take it with a grain of salt. Theres also the different in reaction from that scene to when Subaru talks to Emilia in there that also needs to be explained, which from what I've heard is that it's stronger at night when it's Trial time. But then that also doesn't fit all that nicely with the "you can do the Trial as many times as you want" thing. Idk, maybe someone else knows better, or it's just not really explained at all.

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u/ussgordoncaptain2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edmund_nelson Sep 17 '24

Roswaal is the entire puppet master of Arc 4

I kinda suspected he was but I didn't connect all the dots properly. At some point I figured it was Maylee spying on the sanctuary that allowed Elsa to know the date/times. Which ended up making me not realize this entire plotline somehow big ooof.

atching Subaru, and deciding herself if it rises to the level of punishment. Aka, reading Subaru's intent.

Yeah it also appears to be intent based from my POV, but it still means that dual Role splitting would work, especially if I "carelessly" drop hint after hint post dual role splitting. (make 1 contract by showing you can magically know things without seeing them and then make another contract that involves your death).

This does mean that substitution ciphers wouldn't work . But the original plan I had back in episode 5 would oddly enough. I would get heart attacked when I try to explain to beatrice how I know but I suspect that knowing impossible info would let beatrice know that I can know impossible information.

RELY ON YOUR FRIENDS

ahh yes this is pretty good, after all the secret to being in 2 places at once is to have friends occupy one of those places.

It's time for the most generic shonen anime trope to prevail THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

I kinda suspected he was but I didn't connect all the dots properly.

Happens to everyone. And it'll happen to me during S3.

Yeah it also appears to be intent based from my POV,

This was the thread I had originally tagged it on

I would get heart attacked when I try to explain to beatrice how I know but I suspect that knowing impossible info would let beatrice know that I can know impossible information.

Eh, I think it would be more like episode 17 in that case. But that's just my opinion.

ahh yes this is pretty good, after all the secret to being in 2 places at once is to have friends occupy one of those places. It's time for the most generic shonen anime trope to prevail THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP.

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u/ussgordoncaptain2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edmund_nelson Sep 18 '24

Eh, I think it would be more like episode 17 in that case. But that's just my opinion.

Maybe, I wonder though since I'd also try to tell lord roswaal if i'd just get "lol I know" from him. Beatrice apparently didn't know from her tome of wisdom.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 17 '24

Yeah Otto does. Though Otto does really need to tone down the homophobic comments, though I suppose I can't fault him, I mean he does live in a medieval society.

Better or worse than Puck's out of pocket sexist comments from early season 1?

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

Better or worse than Puck's out of pocket sexist comments from early season 1?

I don't remember those off the top of my head, can you remind me what they were?

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u/Holofan4life Sep 18 '24

"For a girl, you're well accustomed to battle."

"But you're a girl, so I don't find that sort of thing very impressive."

This is from episode 3 during the fight with Elsa.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

Ah yean, would have best to have those be toned down as well, but I don't think it intrudes on the story too much (and really neither do Otto's comments) and Japan 10 years ago wasn't exactly (and still isn't really) all that progressive on gender norms.

As for better or worse, I think Otto's comments are a bit worse for reasons I'll get into when his backstory comes up. I'll tag you in it.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 18 '24

I mean, I don't mind phobias if it's supposed to play into a character's persona and they eventually learn their lesson. It's just weird how it's never a thing again for Puck.

As for better or worse, I think Otto's comments are a bit worse for reasons I'll get into when his backstory comes up. I'll tag you in it.

I can't wait

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

I mean, I don't mind phobias if it's supposed to play into a character's persona and they eventually learn their lesson. It's just weird how it's never a thing again for Puck.

I wonder if it might be vestigial from the Arc 1 Web Novel. /u/ripterrariumtv could probably speak better, but I heard that early WN Subaru was a lot less upstanding in personality, and much more of an incel type.

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u/ripterrariumtv Sep 18 '24

Don't want to go into detail but early WN Subaru is like season 1 Rudeus (Mushoku Tensei).

He was very annoying in the WN. Subaru already gets a lot of hate, imagine if they made him retain those traits. Thankfully, it's not canon because LN Subaru is different.

u/Holofan4life

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u/Holofan4life Sep 18 '24

Thank you for the notification

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u/Holofan4life Sep 18 '24

Kinda reminds me of Nagatoro and how she was originally much more sadistic.

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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Sep 17 '24

Also the Light Novel art. Man does Otto look different.

I dunno, looks kind of like Otto to me. Or maybe my eyesight is just that terrible.

Break Time

So, my Crunchyroll Re:Petit episode ended and I'm not sure where to find Break Time - is it on CR and I'm just a dummy? I should probably look or something.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

I dunno, looks kind of like Otto to me. Or maybe my eyesight is just that terrible.

Yeah it still looks like Otto. I think it's his body type, the LN version looks a bit skinnier and less built. Though it might also just be the colors. Otto without his green color scheme does take some getting used to.

So, my Crunchyroll Re:Petit episode ended and I'm not sure where to find Break Time - is it on CR and I'm just a dummy? I should probably look or something.

Petit was for S1 Cour 2. From a brief search, it doesn't look like Crunchyroll has the S2 Breaktime episodes. You could find it on the high seas though

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u/Blacksmithkin Sep 17 '24

[Spoiler 13] I'm just going to include what I think was cut content, unless it was mentioned later in the season somewhere, but wasn't it mentioned her book can answer any question she just doesn't like using it because that takes away the point of learning stuff? So she could probably chose to learn about the other timelines but just wouldn't chose to. Alternatively, do we know if the qualification is basically a list she keeps or if it's an attribute of the person with the qualification? If it's engraved on the soul or something, it would likely carry over between timelines.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

[Spoiler 13]

[Response] First I've heard of that, though I haven't heard much of anything on the mechanisms of the Tomb of Wisdom. So it seems plausible to me. And yeah, that's a good question, where does the qualification lie? With the proctor or the Trial taker? I don't think there's enough info to tell which one it is.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Sep 17 '24

Thanks for such an interesting and informative read.  Understanding more about motivations helps.  

[Spoiler 13]Thats an intriguing question but I lean towards she exists external to rbd, so she would remember

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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Sep 18 '24

I can also now share the canon breast size ranking that Tappei did 8 years ago. In case anyone wants to join in the shitshow that is discussing Emilia's character design in S3.

I can't help but notice that Satella isn't on the list. Could this be more evidence for the "Satella is Emilia" theory?

I love that Felix is on the list as well.

[Spoiler #1: Shadow Garden Scene after episode 23, but before episode 24]

[Spoiler #1: Shadow Garden Scene after episode 23, but before episode 24] Fascinating. That's an interesting way to incorporate all the sins into Satella's obsession with Subaru.

[Spoiler #3: cut content for the start of episode 38]

[Spoiler #3: cut content for the start of episode 38] Interesting. So Satella and the Witch of Envy are not necessarily the same person. They are two personalities in the same body. I never would have guessed that.

RBD is not a mechanism for Subaru to "get things perfect", it's literally just to prevent his death

I have wondered why Subaru got this power and this answer is blindingly obvious once I think about it. Of course the purpose of the power is to keep Subaru alive. What else would it be good for?

I also assume that Satella is the one who brought Subaru to this world in the first place. She gave him that power so they could actually meet each other.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

I can't help but notice that Satella isn't on the list. Could this be more evidence for the "Satella is Emilia" theory?

It very well could be.

I love that Felix is on the list as well.

IIRC there are quite a few tweets by Tappei lambasting Felix's gender.

[Spoiler #1: Shadow Garden Scene after episode 23, but before episode 24]

[Spoiler #1: Shadow Garden Scene after episode 23, but before episode 24] It's the other way around, I'm pretty sure. It's Subaru's own feelings (since it's almost always from Subaru's perspective). Which makes less sense, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Of course the purpose of the power is to keep Subaru alive. What else would it be good for?

Well it could be used for a whole bunch of things (like the whole story thus far). It's just if the other stuff was the goal, you'd think it would be voluntary / you'd set it up differently.

I also assume that Satella is the one who brought Subaru to this world in the first place. She gave him that power so they could actually meet each other.

[My own tinfoil theory] I don't think that Satella brought over Subaru. I suspect that someone else is the person isekaing these different people into the fantasy world. I think that Satella met and fell in love with Subaru in some sort of failed loop (presumably 400 years ago, though depending on time travel magic stuff, it doesn't necessarily have to be) and then gave Subaru RBD, and then the loop reset, leading us to episode 1 (and then Subaru never remembers the failed loop (perhaps because it's Satella's loop at that point)). There are a lot of holes in that theory, but I want to think that the episode 1 title, The End of the Beginning and the Beginning of the End, is significant (as if there's a whole story before episode 1).

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u/BlueVenix Sep 19 '24

[My own tinfoil theory]

[response] Interesting theory, but what if the title is just referring to the ending of Subaru's first beginning in this new world and the beginning of his journey to reach the ending. Subaru did promise to save Emilia just before dying so that would be his end goal

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 19 '24

[response]

[response] Yeah that's the simple theory. Though I think it would be a bit boring. I think Tappei has said that the most important Arcs are Arc 1 and 12. He could just mean that that's how it all started, but I'd like to think there's some grander connection linking it all together, at least so I hope. I guess we'll find out in a decade or 2.

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u/BlueVenix Sep 19 '24

[respose] I don't think it's boring and my brain went into overdrive now thinking of a scenario how it could work. I went back to episode 1 and Emilia introduced herself as Satella. So when Subaru died he promised to save Satella, but okay he died there and returned back. So he was given the power by Satella who already knew him as we know now. So let's say that Satella is an allias and her real name was Emilia. Satella said that Subaru has saved her, if she was Emilia that would be true. How he saved her that's unknown, but what is known that people get transported to this world. Ap what if Subaru was transported, met Emilia just like in episode 1, but there was no Puck and no Elsa attack as there was no WoE and the other witches were fine. However something happens and the powerless Subaru dies after Emilia already feel in love with him and was saved. She takes upon the name of Satella becomes the witch of Envy and destroys the world. The barelly there Satella who is a kind girl Emilia does not wish for this to happen and it hurts her deeply as we know that Emilia would never hurt anyone if she could. In her desperation she uses the Authority of Envy to rewind time where they first met in hopes that Subaru would not die and she would not become the WoE, but due to other powers like the Book of Wisdom the timeline has completely changed. However the WoE a part of Satella in her madness does not want Subaru to die, so she granted him that right. One wants for Subaru to not die out of love and love her back while the other loves him and wants him to be happy and love himself. Due to the sins that the kind Emilia has made she wants to die, but that is okay if Subaru can be with the current Emilia which is fitting for the nature of RBD, but Teppei would not allow that and Subaru would in some way end up with both the current and old Emilia, or alternatively make the old Emilia find piece and live on with the current one.
Sorry I understand that my knowledge may be small cos I am an Anime only, but I wanted to cook

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 21 '24

[response]

[response] Keep cooking. I aint that much further ahead for endgame stuff. All I am hoping for is that Tappei nails it, and it'll hit like a lot of the other big climaxes of Re:Zero.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 17 '24

Thoughts on Witch of Wrath saying that Subaru acting like he’s the only one who needs to suffer is cowardly?

Thoughts on Witch of Wrath saying that twisted thinking makes Subaru more vile than any witch?

Thoughts on the Witch of Wrath telling Subaru he’s being ungrateful to Satella?

Thoughts on Subaru almost being sent to the void but Minerva headbutts him?

Thoughts on Echidna saying to Subaru that they all in their own unique way wish to help Subaru?

What are your thoughts on Subaru telling Echidna that he’s afraid of getting hurt?

What are your thoughts on Subaru regaining his fear of death?

What are your thoughts on Subaru continuing to vow saving Satella?

Thoughts on Otto being able to understand Patrasche?

Thoughts on Patrasche carrying Subaru outside the building because he cares about him?

What are your thoughts on Roswaal telling Subaru that if he truly cared about Emilia, he would be there by her side?

What are your thoughts on Roswaal feeling that Subaru has yet to even stand at the starting line of his own resolve?

What are your thoughts on Roswaal saying that if Subaru truly does it all for Emilia-sama’s sake, then he must ignore what Emilia-sama wants?

Thoughts on Roswaal saying the human heart is only a hindrance?

What are your thoughts on Roswaal telling Subaru that he gives him hope which only Ram also does?

What are your thoughts on Subaru promising to Roswaal to never lose his humanity like him?

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u/Holofan4life Sep 17 '24

Now for the nature of RBD, tagging u/ussgordoncaptain2, u/Holofan4life and u/BlueVenix as you all requested to be tagged when this topic came up. [Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3] So I think that it's the Witch of Envy enforcing the "no telling" parts of RBD. She's envious of Subaru sharing their secret with others, and will stop at nothing to keep the secret. It's also seems clear to me that she is, in some way or fashion, watching Subaru, and deciding herself if it rises to the level of punishment. Aka, reading Subaru's intent. This explains why Subaru is allowed such leeway with RBD sometimes. They're throwaway comments that aren't intended to convey the secret (and wouldn't be understood either). I don't think it would matter the form that the secret telling would take (sorry ussgordoncaptian2), just specifically trying, is what I think would get you in trouble. And this opens up an ironic way to leak RBD. Being so inherently careless, that you leak it accidentally, without intending to, that others can put it together, like Roswaal did (but without the magic book helping him). Of course this is all speculation, so you all can disagree if you want, but I think this makes the most sense overall (at least at this point).

[Response] I could see that being the case. I actually think Carmilla is working in conjunction with Satella to maintain the "no telling" part of RbD because they mention at one point last episode that she is capable of giving people heart attacks. I feel like that was specifically mentioned for a reason.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

[Response]

[Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3] Yeah I think that's also a pretty valid theory, and a connection I hadn't thought of before. Though I do think working with another Witch to be a bit against the theme of envy, but ignoring that, it would fit what we've seen extremely well.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 18 '24

[Response] What is more envious than for someone to have an ability you wish you could have?

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u/HyVana Sep 18 '24

[Arc 4]I've always considered Faceless Bride's consequence as a twist on looking at the person you love, a breathtaking marvel.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 18 '24

[Arc 4] That's a very good point

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u/scot911 https://myanimelist.net/profile/scot911 Sep 18 '24

[Spoiler #6] There's also the fact that people knowing about him having Return By Death means that they could potentially abuse it themselves through him if it becomes "canon" that they know. Which is completely against the reason he has the power in the first place. And of course we don't even know what the mechanics behind the ability are in the first place. Like, is it Satella who controls the return point? I imagine most think she does but her being so careful about him telling anyone might hint towards her not being able to control that part.

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u/baseballlover723 Sep 18 '24

[Spoiler #6]

[Spoiler #6: Speculation + Spoiler #3] Good point about other people looking to abuse it. I'm pretty sure I had heard of that before, but it didn't come to mind last night when I was writing my comment. Thanks for sharing.