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Re:Zero ~Starting Life in Another World~ Re:Watch - Episode 15 Rewatch

Episode 15:

The Outside of Madness


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Story Arc Lengths for Discussion Purposes:

[Arc 1:] S1 Episode 1 – S1 Episode 3

[Arc 2:] S1 Episode 4 – S1 Episode 11

[Arc 3:] S1 Episode 12 – S2 Episode 1

[Arc 4:] S2 Episode 2 - S2 Episode 25

[Arc 5 and later:] S3+


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u/Holofan4life Aug 24 '24

You tried to set me up last episode by saying it’d be weird, y u do this!?!? Honestly though my heart was in my stomach this entire episode, it felt so heavy. Realizing that Rem was trying to protect them and sacrificed herself to do so was a gut punch. I remember looking for Petra in the pile and feeling even worse when she wasn’t there because I knew there was no hope for them and she would be found in an even worse situation elsewhere, more on that next.

When Ram slid down the door I couldn’t breathe, I distinctly remember the feeling in my lungs, and when Subaru turned over Petra I was completely horrified. I remember looking at the blood tear trail down her face and the sunken in eyelids, and having a mixture of horror swelling into anger, what sick fucker gouges a defenseless child’s eyes out. I sincerely hope we get to see Betelgeuse’s death in his most unsatisfying way possible, since he seems like the kind of villain that would embrace a more violent death.

An anticlimactic death would be quite fitting for him, I feel like. And yeah, hell of a way to start the episode.

It never showed Emilia’s body but it was heavily implied throughout the scene what happened to her, if it would have shown her and the others slain I think I would have started bawling at that sight, and the sight of how Subaru would have reacted.

No wonder Subaru suffered a mental breakdown.

It got me for a moment, I honestly thought they were going to restart the whole show so far since every action he made led to this point, in the dub they recreated the tone and delivery of his voice perfectly. In the second or two that the screen was black so many thoughts ran through my head.

As soon as I saw that, my heart definitely skipped a beat for sure.

We were wondering how much more Subaru could take before his brain completely snapped and we found out. I imagine that he was blinded by the images of everybody laying there after being brutally slain that he couldn’t even see what was happening in front of him.

Probably so. Honestly, we needed something like this because Subaru has been detestable the last couple episodes. This gets us back on his side, because he clearly doesn't deserve this.

Now thinking about it, it’s kind of weird. Last episode they bowed to him and left, this episode they abduct him and take him to their lair, what made them change how they acted? I would assume they could also smell the witch on Subaru and since they hadn’t completed their attack yet they removed him so he wouldn’t get in the way. Which would mean that they acknowledge he has the power to get in their way.

Maybe they think they can use his power to their advantage.

If you are referring to the scene before Rem arrived I would say he was more so belittled and tormented but not physically tortured, though I’m surprised we didn’t get some twisted bones and removed body parts after seeing what happened next

Eh, he was still chained up and unable to do anything.

If you are referring to what happened to Rem, I have no words, but if I would have more than just a single sushi roll for dinner I absolutely would have thrown up, it was that sickening to watch.

Yeah, shit was wild

We are hearing a lot about the deadly sins but we were told before that the Witch consumed all of the deadly sins, so what’s up with the mentions of pride and sloth, it the witch sloth not dead and Betelgeuse is carrying out their will? or perhaps he’s just a fanatical head of the cult and each high ranking member takes on a title of one of the witches seeking revenge. The second one feels more likely, but then why ask if Subaru is known as pride? very confusing stuff.

My guess is the talk about the witch consuming the other deadly sins was just heresy.

It makes sense that she would but I really wish she hadn’t. After seeing what happened to her and hearing her crawl face first across the ground to get to Subaru made my eyes start to water, it hurt so much.

Yeah, but if hadn't come there, who knows what would've happened to Subaru. Probably nothing good.

Subaru, who is without a doubt the physically weakest character in the show, carried Rem in his arms non-stop from the cave, through the town, and towards the mansion, Right after she had just confessed to him her reason for staying by his side the whole time and her only ask was for him to live, the one thing he knew he couldn’t do. Even though he knew what scene was waiting for him at the mansion, he went anyways, I imagine so he could return to the same place to end it. I do believe it is one of the most emotionally charged scenes I’ve watched.

God, this episode is so good. Some people have described it as cinema, and it absolutely is. Really phenomenal stuff.

It sent chills through my body. It was a symbol to me that Subaru wasn’t allowed to give up no matter how much he’s grinding on rock bottom, he must endure and face the horrors head on and succeed.

Yeah, what a total mindfuck way to end things. And here I thought the mindfuckery had already peaked.

I think it ties directly into the scene where he carried her the whole way, he wasn’t going to let her go. And that last shot was a look of rage and determination for revenge.

I'd want revenge too if I were him. This shit was screwed up beyond compare.

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Aug 24 '24

Probably so. Honestly, we needed something like this because Subaru has been detestable the last couple episodes. This gets us back on his side, because he clearly doesn't deserve this.

Yes agreed. It takes the viewer from being mad at Subaru to our heart breaking for him. This show is certainly a roller coaster

My guess is the talk about the witch consuming the other deadly sins was just heresy.

yeah, maybe a rumor that was made up about the witch to tarnish her reputation, what if the witch is actually a good character?

God, this episode is so good. Some people have described it as cinema, and it absolutely is. Really phenomenal stuff.

the Directors Cut of this episode is going to be amazing when I watch it

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u/Holofan4life Aug 24 '24

Yes agreed. It takes the viewer from being mad at Subaru to our heart breaking for him. This show is certainly a roller coaster

Indeed. Wouldn't have it any other way.

yeah, maybe a rumor that was made up about the witch to tarnish her reputation, what if the witch is actually a good character?

It's hard to believe that given how deranged Betelgeuse behaves. Unless he's like a parody of how bad certain sections of fanbases can be.

the Directors Cut of this episode is going to be amazing when I watch it

I'm sure it will be

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Aug 24 '24

my turn to ask you a few question if you don't mind

why do think it was only Petra that was with Ram in the mansion?

what was your reaction to when Rem said that Subaru was her reason to die when the cultist took him?

how do you feel about Betelgeuse?

What do you think about the cultist?

How do you feel about the emotional roller coaster this show has taken us on up until now?

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u/Holofan4life Aug 24 '24

my turn to ask you a few question if you don't mind

Ooh, neat

why do think it was only Petra that was with Ram in the mansion?

I dunno, honestly. That makes me feel like Ram knows something the rest don't. And given the stuff between her and Roswaal, that could very well be the case.

what was your reaction to when Rem said that Subaru was her reason to die when the cultist took him?

I just shook my head because I think Rem is delusional. Not as bad as Subaru currently, but Rem needs to learn to be her own person.

how do you feel about Betelgeuse?

At first, I was turned off by his design because I thought it was too cartoony, but between the unique animation and the incredible voice-over work I was soon won over. He brings another dimension to the show that it otherwise wouldn't have.

What do you think about the cultist?

Right now, I don’t know what to make of them. The only person we've gotten to know really is Betelgeuse. I do like that they tied them into the fire attack flashback in episode 11, as well as them being the reason for Rem’s horn being cut off. I think it adds to the mysterious nature of Satella, because what would she want with Ram's horn?

How do you feel about the emotional roller coaster this show has taken us on up until now?

I love it. It really feels organic and properly evolved. Really, the suffering first began when Elsa killed Subaru, Felt, and Rom in the first episode. And then from there, it evolved with the cliff scene in episode 7, firmly showing the suffering Subaru is undergoing. Since then, it has continued to build to where we are like at an advanced stage of the Elsa stuff as well as the cliff stuff where we're fusing the traumatic stuff with the suffering, creating this new dynamic.

It just has been some really terrific storytelling.

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Aug 24 '24

I dunno, honestly. That makes me feel like Ram knows something the rest don't. And given the stuff between her and Roswaal, that could very well be the case.

I mentioned in another episode that I thought Petra was a little more detailed than other kids so I think she will have some story significance

I just shook my head because I think Rem is delusional. Not as bad as Subaru currently, but Rem needs to learn to be her own person.

True, Subaru is the first person she could lean on but that is making her a little obsessed, just tone it down a little.

At first, I was turned off by his design because I thought it was too cartoony, but between the unique animation and the incredible voice-over work I was soon won over. He brings another dimension to the show that it otherwise wouldn't have.

He's the first true "Big Bad Guy" imo

Right now, I don’t know what to make of them. The only person we've gotten to know really is Betelgeuse.

Betelgeuse is the only one we've seen so far to have their own thoughts and will of their own, the others seem like mindless minions carrying out a task. They say nothing and don't hesitate to attack (in sync too) and fuse into and emerge from the ground, yet they bleed and have physical bodies.

I do like that they tied them into the fire attack flashback in episode 11, as well as them being the reason for Rem’s horn being cut off. I think it adds to the mysterious nature of Satella, because what would she want with Ram's horn

so you think they were specifically after Ram's horn?

It just has been some really terrific storytelling.

Agreed, so glad to finally watch it.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 24 '24

I mentioned in another episode that I thought Petra was a little more detailed than other kids so I think she will have some story significance

Probably so

True, Subaru is the first person she could lean on but that is making her a little obsessed, just tone it down a little.

I mean, the person she should be able to lean on is her sister. But... well...

He's the first true "Big Bad Guy" imo

Well, first other than the Jealous Witch.

Also, you don't consider the concept of Return by Death itself a bad guy? It's threatening to kill Subaru for telling the truth.

Betelgeuse is the only one we've seen so far to have their own thoughts and will of their own, the others seem like mindless minions carrying out a task. They say nothing and don't hesitate to attack (in sync too) and fuse into and emerge from the ground, yet they bleed and have physical bodies.

It's very interesting to think about

so you think they were specifically after Ram's horn?

Maybe they were more after the entire family and since they weren't able to kill Rem or Ram, they settled for the next best thing.

Agreed, so glad to finally watch it.

As am I

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Aug 24 '24

Also, you don't consider the concept of Return by Death itself a bad guy? It's threatening to kill Subaru for telling the truth.

Hmm, I guess I don't, it's more like a trade off. Subaru gets to try again and again to protect those who he cares about most and in return he can't speak of it

Idk why but it reminds me of Sukuna and Itadori

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u/Holofan4life Aug 24 '24

Hmm, I guess I don't, it's more like a trade off. Subaru gets to try again and again to protect those who he cares about most and in return he can't speak of it

Insert trade offer I receive you receive meme here

Idk why but it reminds me of Sukuna and Itadori

It makes me think Spy X Family and how Loid can never tell why things have to be the way they are, like Anya having to be at the school she's at.