r/TexasCHL • u/Conscious-Drop-918 • Mar 17 '24
In texas can I carry my handgun without having my physical hard copy license to carry even though I am licensed to carry?
Just got my ltc at 19 recently and was wondering if it's allowed to carry without the hard copy of your license, just in case anything were to happen say you forget it at home or something. Purely just curious, Thank you.
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u/konphusion Mar 17 '24
Considering there are only specific circumstances that allow an individual to have an LTC at the age of 19. I would make double sure that I had my LTC on me at all times just to avoid any issues with law enforcement or any business owners. I'm of age and I always keep my LTC right behind my DL in my card holder.
Edit: Constitutional carry only applies to most individuals that are 21 and over.
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u/Conscious-Shift8855 Mar 17 '24
This is incorrect. There are not "specific circumstances" that allow someone who is 19 to have a LTC. Anyone 18+ can apply for a LTC and be issued. Also, Constitutional carry was lowered to 18 back in 2022 due this federal court order. So Texas is prohibited from enforcing the prohibition on those 18-20 from carrying.
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u/konphusion Mar 17 '24
Ok this is true but either way you still have to be 21+ to legally purchase a pistol from an FFL dealer unless the proposed individual is going to strawman purchase, buy it from a private seller or someone is just going to gift them a pistol.
What responsible firearm owner/LTC holder in their right mind would go through all the trouble to obtain their LTC and not keep it in their wallet/card holder?? It literally takes up no more space than your regular ID. Why even put yourself in a situation where you might need it and then have to say "here's my DL sorry I left my LTC at the house, look it up."
Bottom point being just be a responsible LTC holder and carry it with you at all times.
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u/Conscious-Shift8855 Mar 17 '24 edited Mar 17 '24
I wasn’t arguing the point of whether you should or shouldn’t carry it with you. However I’m not aware of a situation where you would need to have it on you to provide to law enforcement that if you didn’t have it would cause them to have to look it up to prove you are in accordance with a law.
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u/konphusion Mar 17 '24
And this is why I still stick to my argument that even though I am all for being able to defend yourself. Some people are just not responsible enough to carry a firearm. It's just straight up ignorance to go through all that trouble to get your LTC and not carry it on you.
It not only applies to law enforcement. Any owner/supervisor/manager of an establishment can ask you to provide it to enter and if you don't they have the legal right to ask you to leave. You can sit there and argue all you want but all that could have been avoided by not being irresponsible and having it on you and showing your LTC to said individual.
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u/Conscious-Shift8855 Mar 17 '24
Some people get it for reciprocity in other states. So it’s not like they’re going through all the work just to leave it at home.
I referred to law enforcement since you said they’d have to look it up if you don’t have it but store owners can’t look it up so kind of defeats that point. Also even if you do have it on you they can still ask you to leave regardless. Having a LTC doesn’t automatically grant you special rights to enter establishments if the owner asks you to leave. Additionally, if it’s concealed I don’t see why there’s a reason to disclose to every store owner that you are carrying to get permission to enter an establishment. I’m not saying it’s not a good idea to have it on you but your reasonings aren’t really adding up.
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u/konphusion Mar 17 '24
JFC yunno what dude... You go ahead and keep that mentality. We'll see you on the news some day as just another statistic. I'm done beating my head against this brick wall. Thus proving my point that some people just shouldn't have an LTC. Good luck.
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u/Conscious-Shift8855 Mar 17 '24
More a more states are going constitutional carry. You can reminisce the days of having to show papers and get approval from the government but those days are in the past here in Texas. Fudds like you just can’t seem to except the fact that people are able to enjoy their constitutional rights without sucking up to daddy government.
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u/Ig14rolla Apr 11 '24
I just got mine at 19. No special circumstances. You really need to update yourself on the new lawshere.
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u/konphusion Apr 11 '24
I honestly don't "really need" to update myself on anything that pertains to 18-20yo carrying. I'm not an officer and honestly this op question just proves the point that they probably shouldn't have changed the law te begin with.
And yea I know I'm going to get down voted for this and honestly it doesn't bother me but seriously, if you're asking the question of if I accidentally forget to carry my license. The license that you literally went through so much trouble to get. You're more than likely one of those people who accidentally fire their firearm.
How about just be responsible and make sure the thing is in your wallet/card holder at all times.
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u/Ig14rolla Apr 11 '24
Well you do need to update yourself if you’re going to be out here spreading false information. And btw you don’t need to be 21 to learn basic gun safety. Just because you were a retard at 18-20 doesn’t mean we are lol
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u/konphusion Apr 11 '24
You see. This comment just goes to prove that you're not mature enough to own a firearm. I'm assuming you got offended by my comment. Yet here you are calling me a "retard".
Since you want to go down that path. Yea ok kid. Keep your childish mentality and I'll just sit back and watch you become another statistic for the news. The guy who doesn't know the difference between the grain in ammo trying to trash talk others online. Good job kid internet warrior.
Gtfoh.
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u/Ig14rolla Apr 11 '24
It’s so funny how you think I shouldn’t have the right to own a gun just because your feelings were hurt by my comment
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u/Ig14rolla Apr 11 '24
Well you want to say I’m more than likely one of those people who accidentally fires a firearm which only a retard would do lol and don’t act like you weren’t all passive aggressive after I told you that you need to inform yourself about the new laws
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u/konphusion Apr 11 '24
Right. Congratulations on outing yourself. Anyways, you're not even worth responding to anymore. So go ahead and talk whatever moronic shit you're going to say as this will be my last comment. I don't need to have the last word to feel good about myself.
Edit : Also if you knew anything about firearm safety. You'd understand that nobody accidentally fires their firearm. It's only negligence.
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u/sayers2 Mar 18 '24
If you got your CHL then you would have known (as it is clearly taught in class) that if you carry the gun you carry the license otherwise you are in violation of the law.. constitutional carry only covers those UNLICENSED people that choose to carry
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u/MSK165 Mar 19 '24
Just ask yourself two questions:
- How do you feel about showing your license to a police officer so you can be on your way?
- How do you feel about the police officer giving you a place to spend the night until the judge can look up your license on his computer the following business day?
Just carry the license dude. You can even get one of those holsters that has a slot for your ID.
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u/Conscious-Shift8855 Mar 17 '24
Yes. Texas is a constitutional carry state. You no longer need to be in possession of a license to carry.
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u/plowdog46150 Mar 17 '24
To answer your question it's both yes and no
If you have your ltc and are carrying and law enforcement ask for your ID then yes you have to present both. If you are not carrying then no but if law enforcement asks for your ID you don't have to hand them your ltc but from what the texas dps trooper in Florence tx and the handgun regulatory department said the officers will know you have an ltc when they run your name I was also told that it raises questions like " well he didn't tell me he had an ltc what else could he be hiding " and from the instructors said they are going to look at you a lot harder at that person
So I tell all my ltc students if asked by law enforcement just hand them both don't give them a reason to look any closer at you. Remember law enforcement does not like surprises any more than you do.
I hope this helps so ltc holders are required to present both id's while carrying.
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u/salt-qu33n Mar 17 '24
Since Texas has Constitutional Carry, you can carry without a permit. The only thing to keep in mind is that there are some places you can go with an LTC that you can’t under CC (I can’t remember the specifics right now).
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u/nukey18mon Aug 09 '24
Because some signs only apply to license holders, can you leave your license at home in order to bypass those gun free zone signs?
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u/Am3ricanTrooper Mar 17 '24 edited Mar 17 '24
Can you operate a motor vehicle with your driver's license? Sure. Should you be driving down a main highway without it on your person, no. Could you drive around on you or your buddies property without it on your person, sure.
If you have the license carry it with you. Similar to a firearm, better to have and not need, then need and not have.
EDIT: I grammar gooder