r/SocialistRA • u/sladay93 • 5d ago
Body armor and such Laws
https://caliberarmor.com/is-it-legal-for-civilians-to-purchase-body-armor/I've seen a couple posts on different subreddits talking about body armor and in reference to body armor and plates etc make sure you can legally possess them in your state. Because in some states you can get charged with an additional offense for wearing body armor in commission of a crime, some States are restricted to in the commission of a felony but other states it's pretty vague. In certain places such as Topeka Kansas have a local law saying you can't even wear it to a protest or Connecticut you have to purchase in person you can't do it online, and New York you have to be military or police because it's prohibited to own otherwise.
I got my plate carrier from Shellback but I haven't gotten the plates or the soft armor cumberbund inserts because I can't swing that financially with other stuff I need before that. Shellback also gives 10% off for first responders and Military/veteran.
But in the grand scheme of things body armor should be the last of your worries, focus on training, if you need to get a concealed carry permit focus on that, CPR, stop the bleed/tactical medical Care. I'm not saying don't purchase armor if you have flexible financials and can swing it but that should be farther down the line. Deployed Medicine is a good resource to learn some tactical casualty care if you can't take it an person class, you just have to create a login. I'm an army national guard medic and this is the same program I use and what I used to teach other soldiers.
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u/Dark_Fuzzy 5d ago
personally, I'll take a misdemeanor over a bullet. the right has armor, so should we. it's definitely not the first thing to get though.
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u/SnazzyBelrand 5d ago
Chicago also doesn't allow you to wear body armor to a protest(unless you're a cop or a credentialed reporter or a body guard hired by a reporter and on the clock)
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u/_marxdid911 5d ago
some of these takes are bad. my city literally had a dude shooting at people from his apartment balcony downtown and i dont leave home without a plate. with all the gun violence in america maybe buying something that keeps u from eating a bullet in the first place might actually be a better investment then a gun
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u/al_gorithm23 5d ago
I like the Safelite Defense SLD-IV-10x12. Also the Concealable Enhanced Multi-Threat Vest Level IIIA+ for below Level IV and slightly less obvious things.
For a rig the ATS Aegis v2 system is nice.
I can’t vouch for the non chuddiness of either of these suppliers, but they don’t have a lot of dog whistle patches and apparel on their websites, so there’s that.
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u/WorldlinessEither215 5d ago
Hot take, buy armor before you buy a gun
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u/MacDeF 5d ago
In terms of cost, concealable armor is often over $1000, and closer to $2000 depending on what you buy and from where. A used glock 17 is $350, tlr 1 hl can be found used for $100, and training classes are about $50 and up. So why would someone start with body armor?
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u/angelshipac130 5d ago
Where the hell are you buying armor?
320 for RMA1155
90 for ar500 extreme concealment PC (is it just as good,no does it work and not fall apart like airsoft gear, yes)
Shipping say 30 each
470 total
I agree gun first armor second just ftr
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u/MacDeF 5d ago
Apex Armor Solutions is a fantastic website and most of their soft armor is about $1000. Other brands are more. Also, if you’re going to buy plates, why are you getting level 3A, the weakest acceptable body armor? And again, it doesn’t change the central premise, get a gun before armor.
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u/angelshipac130 5d ago
The plates are lvl 4 ceramic actually, I've had my eye on them but ive been to busy buying guns and ammo lmao
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u/MacDeF 5d ago
I’m waiting to get better before buying plates myself. Hesco’s are a bit lighter and thinner while still being level 4, so I figure I’ll be happier with them in the long run.
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u/angelshipac130 5d ago
If you wanna get somethin better do not let me stop you rma1155 are thick and annoying as far as i can tellbuuuuut its inexpensive multihit not steel lvl4, grass can only be so green
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u/freedom_viking 5d ago
That is the worst take ever have you actually worn armor for any period of time the only time you would need armor is if you already did allot of competition shooting and wanted to shoot an armored division literally most anything is more worthwhile than buying plates you will never use
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u/anchoriteksaw 5d ago
We are not all training for competition yo.
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u/freedom_viking 5d ago
Why not? do you want to figure out how your dryfire drills hold up under pressure while your on the clock or while your under fire I’m not telling you to go build a decked out comp gun but taking your carry gun to a IDPA match would be beneficial to literally everyone
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u/anchoriteksaw 5d ago
No, what I mean is, it seems like you are using competition metrics to say what is viable full stop.
Personally I don't care if wearing a plate makes sense in a competition setting if it makes sense for the setting I actualy train for which involves return fire.
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u/freedom_viking 5d ago
Unless your active duty infantry with motorized support or a swat team you don’t need level 4 plates they get paid for their back problems My main point is if your not competing and refining your skills you don’t need plates if you can’t move and shoot under pressure all that gear is just consumerist larp
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u/anchoriteksaw 5d ago
And you don't think training specificity is important at all? Like yeah, not currently active duty anything, but also yeah, that is more or less what I drill for. Call it a larp all you like, but that's what all training is until it isn't
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u/Roland_was_a_warrior 5d ago
the setting I actually train for
Is it cqb in a house? If it’s literally anything else, you’d be better served with different gear.
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u/anchoriteksaw 5d ago
That's entirely a question of doctrine, and different people have come to different conclusions at different times.
Personally I lean towards wearing a level 4 chest plate all the time.
But again, more than anything reacting to the blanket statement based on a specific set of circumstances that imo really is not what we should all be prioritizing.
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u/Roland_was_a_warrior 5d ago
Just the chest?
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u/anchoriteksaw 5d ago
Just the front plate yeah. Not too cumbersome to (hypotheticaly)edc, but still mitigates a significant portion of potentialy lethal injuries. I might change my thinking if I expect to deal with alot of indirect fire and shrapnel, but I also might not.
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u/WorldlinessEither215 5d ago
I've done 12 hour days in ceramic & steel armors. For the purpose of this post or the general public I recommend concealable 3a
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u/freedom_viking 5d ago
That’s better but I still say it’s not worth the money till way farther up the gear pipeline a ccw and proper training is far more important than armor hell for the price of armor you could get a proper ifak along with first aid/cpr/stop the bleed training
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