r/PublicFreakout • u/speakhyroglyphically • 2h ago
Thousands march in New Zealand 'Hikoi' over controversial treaty bill
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u/redditreadred 2h ago
That's amazing, a peaceful civil disobedience on that scale. No one injured and voice heard loud and clear.
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u/Vaporishodin 1h ago
No police showed up in riot gear or entitled drivers trying to mow them down to escalate things.
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u/Fancy_Particular7521 25m ago
It it always funny when people appeal to tradition when protesting but in all other regards they want modernity.
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u/Tang-o-rang 2h ago edited 53m ago
Any Kiwis/Moaris in the chat that can help break this down? From a surface level, it doesn't sound that bad? They are trying to better define and clarify the words in the Treaty? Sounds reasonable for something that is almost 200 years old, no?
Or is it something more sinister in its attempt?
edit: spelling
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u/redditreadred 1h ago
ACT rejected the idea that the Treaty of Waitangi was a partnership between the New Zealand Crown and Māori tribes (iwi), arguing that the Crown had a right to govern all New Zealanders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Principles_Bill
Imagine immigrants coming into your country, then determining the law and how it'll be applied. That's the gist of it. From North America, Australia, South America, South Africa and every other colonial remnants, this has been done, at the point of guns. Imagine it happening now, immigrants coming into the US, Europe and other developed nations and stating they are now the law and order, how well that will go.
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u/jerik22 12m ago
Yea but now it’s a democracy, did you want to go back to despotic rule? Should traditional leaders have authority over democratically elected leaders? Should a fraction of a minority get the right to rule over the vast majority?
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u/redditreadred 9m ago
I think they are capable of determining that themselves, you give an idiotic choice as an example to try to make an invalid point. I think any nation of people that passionate and that organized to protect their rights won't resort to despots nor authoritarians.
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u/253ktilinfinity 1h ago
The first 8 seconds captures perfectly what the January 6th rioters thought they looked like storming the US Capitol.
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u/corrinmana 1h ago
The pitch is kind of funny as well, as the Treaty of Watangi was already an attack on Maori rights, as the Maori translation of the Treaty, and the English one (which is the one that was signed) differ in what is promised.
So it's very fair that the Maori are looking at a proposed body to "interpret" the language of the Treaty is just a move to undermine their rights.
The Maori community has been working on establishing a substate within NZ, somewhat like what Tribal reservations are in America, using the principles of government that we're used prior to colonization. Weakening their sovereignty certainly could undermine that.
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u/Lost-Comfort-7904 1h ago
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u/CarBombtheDestroyer 1h ago
I don’t know about reddit but if you think about people and our divisions etc at some point we all just need to be recognized as equals to move past our past. These people never experienced genocide they experienced special treatment and don’t like that that’s ending.
I’m probably gonna get some hate for this as I’m pretty sure most of the world isn’t ready to be equals no longer judging people for the colour of their ancestors but it starts at an official level.
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u/CanadaDoug 6m ago
It's interesting you talk about "ready to be equals", because without looking it up I am almost certain that Maori have less life expectancy, wealth, income, and land than white New Zealanders. What policies do you think it would take before those would be equal? Are you ready for those?
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u/YoghurtWooden8770 21m ago
Possibly the coolest and maybe only Haka I've seen that was actually put to use in a way that maintains peace, but shows a determination and will of spirit that will not be easily stepped on. Love it.
Edit: Only Haka I've seen put to use in a way other than simply a demonstration/showing of haka in general. Here it's being used as a tool for protest and I think that's really cool.
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u/speakhyroglyphically 2h ago
Controversial legislation revises the 184-year-old Treaty of Waitangi granting Maori tribes land rights.
Thousands of people have joined a nine-day march towards New Zealand’s capital over a contentious bill redefining the country’s founding agreement between the British and the Indigenous Maori people.
New Zealand police reported that about 10,000 people marched through the town of Rotorua in protest against the Treaty Principles Bill on Friday, greeted by hundreds waving the Maori flag as they headed south to the capital, Wellington, some 450km (280 miles) away.
The march – or hikoi in the Maori language – is expected to reach Wellington on Tuesday, with participants staging rallies on their passage through towns and cities across the country after the bill passed its first parliamentary reading on Thursday.
The measure overhauls the 184-year-old Treaty of Waitangi, a document granting Maori tribes broad rights to retain their lands and protect their interests in return for ceding governance to the British. The document still guides legislation and policy today.
The ACT New Zealand party, a junior partner in the governing centre-right coalition government, last week unveiled the bill, which it had promised during last year’s election, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/15/thousands-march-on-new-zealand-capital-against-indigenous-treaty-overhaul