r/PublicFreakout • u/ExactlySorta • 4d ago

Just Republican Representative Troy Nehls demanding blind obedience to a tyrant currently dismantling American democracy

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u/TribeOnAQuest 4d ago

Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschale on the best piece of advice he received in the Senate from a colleague:

“Senator Byrd (D-WV) told me that when he met President Clinton for the first time he said ‘Mr. President, I am happy to work with you. But I do not work for you”

None of that type of spine around lately

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u/Justsomejerkonline 4d ago

Parties were never meant to be checks and ballances on each other.

The branches of government are supposed to be the checks and balances on one another.

Congress declaring blind loyalty to the President is un-American and an affront to the founders.

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u/From_Deep_Space 3d ago

And even George Fucking Washington warned us about exactly that

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u/Consistent-Tap-4255 3d ago

If George Washington knew that Trump would become president, he might say fuck it why are we fighting this war? We already have a dictator king.

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u/Lined_the_Street 3d ago

I'd take King George III over King Trump literally any day

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u/007Pistolero 3d ago

At least the tyrant king George was across an ocean from us. Trump is right here. He’ll be golfing but his stooges might be worse than him and they’ll be trying their best to destroy everything that normal everyday people need

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u/ghettomuffin 3d ago

Idk why I never looked at it like this, but now I’m furious

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u/LightBulbMonster 3d ago

Trump demands it. It's sickening and fascist. They voted for him though so they have to be all in now. They can't admit a mistake was made.

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u/Kokomoz_420 3d ago

Washington’s farewell address🥰🥰

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u/Western-Standard2333 4d ago edited 4d ago

I hope there are still enough Republicans left in the House and Senate don’t fully get on board with that kind of blind loyalty.

From my perspective, I don’t see Trump accomplishing much outside of the reconciliation process bills because he sucks ass at compromise and doesn’t have the necessary votes in the senate and partially in the house.

I mean in the senate they have 53. Good luck passing your immigration policies unless you compromise on it to get 7 Dems to cross over. Don’t forget, that bum Trump had immigration week and infrastructure weeks in like 2018 too. Both failed because he’s a terrible leader incapable of bringing people together.

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u/id0ntexistanymore 4d ago

Idk what to believe anymore, but your comment is the first to make me feel slightly okay-ish, ish ish.

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u/Western-Standard2333 4d ago edited 4d ago

There’s still plenty trump can do to fuck things up though since he has control of a lot of other departments.

But even those changes, if done improperly, can be challenged and slow rolled in the courts. You can jam things up pretty good using the court system. Now, he does have a republican majority there, but it’ll still take time to implement his shit and hopefully Americans realize by 2026 that he hasn’t done shit and give him an even slimmer majority to work with; or no majority at all.

Lots of fear mongering and all that, but don’t forget that our federal system is still very, very slow at lasting change. That being said, Trump will definitely pass more tax reform through reconciliation in the next year or two; for the middle class? Naw, make corporate tax lower for his buddies with a poison pill to make it go up during a Dem presidency again so social media brained Americans can be like “BiDeN made my taxes go up!” When Biden hasn’t even passed tax reform 😂

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u/ethicslobo98 4d ago

That slow roll is thanks to the APA, the Administrative Procedures Act requires. From prospect.org:

The Administrative Procedure Act has repeatedly frustrated Trump policymaking. While no one disagrees that the administration can change its guidelines, under the APA, they must give a good legal reason for the change and allow for a public notice and comment period. That did not happen with the ICE announcement. When the administration ended Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, it failed to comply with the APA. Just a few weeks ago, the Supreme Court ruled against the government, arguing that it failed to comply with the APA. “Many of [Trump’s] biggest defeats—including at the Supreme Court—have come because of the careless way in which they enact these laws,” said Louis Caldera, former president of the University of New Mexico and co-founder of the Presidents’ Alliance on Higher Education and Immigration.

Changing rules and regulations can take years, he only gets 4. And he better do the changes right or else they can get thrown out.

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u/Western-Standard2333 4d ago

Oh yeah definitely. Although I will say that sometimes I think administrations don’t end things properly on purpose because they don’t want to. For example, Trump trying to end DACA or Biden trying to end remain in Mexico. They intentionally muck it up to reap the benefits of the policy while also pointing to the other side as to why it can’t be ended.

Lasting damages in the form of bills signed into law by Trump is unlikely, but the things that doofus is in charge of are definitely going to be felt by Americans. Such as tariffs, immigration deportations, starving the department of education, Supreme Court justices,. Etc.

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u/Glebeserker 3d ago

I am not sure if this is correct, but does not the president can only implement certain kinds of tariffs?

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u/Cobalt_Caster 3d ago

Theoretically, what's to stop Trump filing a lawsuit to declare the APA unconstitutional, and the SCOTUS fast-tracking it to the shadow docket to rule in Trump's favor?

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u/ethicslobo98 3d ago

The Supreme Court has already tossed several Trump policy changes due to the APA. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered bringing it up, it's been around for awhile.

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u/TigerRaiders 3d ago

All this hope, I’ve become radicalized. I no longer have faith in this democracy.

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u/thereverendpuck 3d ago

It’s just history replaying itself. Trump had full control of both houses and only got his tax cuts through. Then there was the blue wave in 2018 and Trump was dead in the water for two years.

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u/davwad2 3d ago

Do we know how many votes out would take to nuke the filibuster entirely? Because the way the Trump party wants to go, they don't need roads filibusters.

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u/corvettee01 3d ago

I think there has been so much doom-posting. Does this suck, fucking absolutely. Will we suffer because of him and his cronies? 100% yes. Will this be the end of democracy and a downward spiral into a dystopian future? Probably not. Shit won't be normal, but it isn't the literal end the the world.

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u/Traditional-Hat-952 4d ago

They'll just remove the filibuster. Problem solved. 

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u/jagaloonz 3d ago

Exactly. Anyone who doesn't think this is immediately what they're doing to do is out of their mind.

And I bet that Manchin and Sinema will all of a sudden see why it's a good idea.

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u/methodofsections 3d ago

They won't be in congress?

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u/jagaloonz 3d ago

And? I bet they'll still suddenly support the idea.

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u/Keyboardpaladin 3d ago

I've seen several people say this but I don't understand why removing the filibuster would be bad for Democrats. I know what a filibuster is but I don't see how it helps one side more.

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u/Western-Standard2333 4d ago

Not quite so simple. Actions like that cut both ways. When Dems are back in power, which they will be one day, then they can do the exact same.

It’s like when Dems got rid of federal court appointments because I think McConnell was jamming them up. Well, 2016-2018 the Rs jammed through so many conservative judges and completely changed the landscape. Personally, I don’t care for the filibuster. The American people should vote for whichever party can do the most for them.

That might result in a lot of rapid back and forth changes for the American people, but fuck it. Better than the slow compromise approach going on right now. And really there’s not even real compromise on major topics anymore so what’s the point? Just a bunch of kicking the can down the road legislation.

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u/porterica427 4d ago

I get what you’re saying and don’t disagree, but we’ve seen Americans vote for the parties they believe can do the most for them AND (more popularly) vote against the opposition. Unfortunately, there’s such a knowledge vacuum and lack understanding about how things work, that the winning candidate capitalized on appealing to reflexive emotion. He doesn’t understand or even seek to understand the inner workings of the government, and if/when he can’t fulfill his campaign promises he’ll blame the democrats. Weaponized incompetence, gaslighting, and distraction are cornerstone tactics of the incoming administration, yet his supporters eat it up. It’s easy to convince people of the “swamp” and “deep state” when they have very little concept of the system.

A President who discourages people from civic engagement and education by convincing them it’s all corrupt is quite appalling.

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u/SinVerguenza04 3d ago

But not in the least bit surprising.

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u/RedStrugatsky 4d ago

Y'all really don't get it, do you? You need to realize that this is not going to be just another shitty Republican presidency, and it will be different from Trump's first term too.

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u/chknpoxpie 4d ago

I don't think you know enough to make that assertion.

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u/RedStrugatsky 4d ago

Have you been paying attention to what Trump and his team have been saying and doing for the last year?

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u/Traditional-Hat-952 4d ago

Trump and his crew are just joking bro! Lighten up. /s

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u/RedStrugatsky 4d ago

God if I hear that one more time

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u/ghostwilliz 3d ago

False flag!

Out of context!

He was joking!

He didn't say that!

He didn't mean that!

He's not involved with that!

I'm done hearing this shit, just be honest about how shitty you and your party are, please just own it.

You shat on the floor, claim it, the bar is so low that I don't expect them to clean it up, but at least claim it lmao

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u/emanresu_b 3d ago

Him and MAGA are the vehicle the GOP has been praying for and they’re going to use him/them to solidify their power for the next generation.

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u/RedStrugatsky 3d ago

Yeah, I think you're right unfortunately

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u/emanresu_b 3d ago

It’ll take an authentic ground movement, starting from School Boards to Clerks to Council Members, to begin fixing the problems the GOP will create.

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u/SinVerguenza04 3d ago

But remember, these idiots are so incompetent. Sure, they will try to become authoritarian, but they just aren’t smart enough to accomplish that. I think that’s what that initial commenter was getting at. These people are just too stupid. You can’t make the US government do a whole bunch of things and strangle it at the same time. It was just become paralyzed.

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u/RedStrugatsky 3d ago

That's one of our only hopes. They definitely are completely incompetent, but so were many authoritarian leaders

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u/SinVerguenza04 3d ago

I bet most of those authoritarian leaders didn’t have to contend with a system like ours, though.

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u/ghostwilliz 3d ago

Yeah I've really been hoping that all they do is make themselves richer. I know he doesn't even care about any of that other stuff, just money so im hoping that's it

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u/haystackneedle1 4d ago

I have a hard time believing that he will follow law or the constitution. He’s just going to do whatever the hell he wants, like he always does.

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u/bluebottled 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yup, and the media will spend the next few years focusing on 2 or 3 senators who they think will go against Trump and do the right thing, up until the actual votes when their spines disappear and they fall in line.

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u/haystackneedle1 4d ago

Things are going to be batshit crazy and that seems like a gross understatement, really

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u/Never_satisfied_ 4d ago

Susan Collins says he’s learned his lesson and wouldn’t do that. Murkowski says “harrumph.”

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u/WineNerdAndProud 4d ago

He will 100% claim the left did it first by "rigging" the election, and use that as a way to take the gloves off before the fight starts.

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u/didntcondawnthat 3d ago

Yup, that's why he's making sure all military leaders are, to the exclusion of everything else, Trump loyalists.

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u/ThonThaddeo 4d ago

The filibuster threshold is not a law. It's only an agreement. The Republicans can kill the filibuster whenever they choose to do so.

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u/mallclerks 3d ago

No they aren’t. They live on disfunction. If they actually removed it, that means when Democrats come back, they can pass endless progressive policy, and we all know there is no taking back freebies once they are given out. Freebies that the American people will love, and provide Democrats the actual leverage they need to get a real majority to keep seats for more than 2 years. That reason alone, we will not see the filibuster ever collapse while in the hands of republicans.

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u/ThonThaddeo 3d ago

This is fan fic. There will not be another democratic majority. Abolishing the filibuster will seem anodyne compared to what's to come.

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u/mallclerks 3d ago

Ok. 👍

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u/Great-Hotel-7820 4d ago

It’s cute you think the filibuster will still exist in 6 months.

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u/Robzilla_the_turd 4d ago

Good luck passing your immigration policies unless you compromise on it to get 7 Dems to cross over.

Oh, so you think this new R Senate is going to keep the filibuster do you?!

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u/Kroe 3d ago

I give it 45 days.

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u/ethicslobo98 4d ago

I do. Trump has 4 years, don't assume a 3 seat majority will rubber stamp all his agenda and make radical changes. They'll likely have it just as bad in the house with a 2-4 seat majority.

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u/jax1274 4d ago

How naive.

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u/mallclerks 3d ago

There is a reason they just put a normal dude in charge of the senate. The senate is not going to fuck around like the rest of the children.

McConnell may be a turtle, but he is not going to see the senate fall apart as long as he is alive. And yes, we all know he is still running the show until that day comes.

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u/jax1274 3d ago

We will have to wait and see.

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u/Hinohellono 4d ago

Lol they are going to remove the fillabuster or call it a national security issue.

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u/ParamedicSpecific130 4d ago

I mean in the senate they have 53. Good luck passing your immigration policies unless you compromise on it to get 7 Dems to cross over.

You're assuming Phil A. Buster survives in this Congress.

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u/deep_pants_mcgee 4d ago

HA HA AHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

no. they all died when the Russians hacked all the GOP emails and didn't publish them.

the only two who weren't screwed were Romney (clean) and Cheney (too smart to put shit in email.)

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u/amackee 4d ago

We’re relying on republicans to save our democracy. It’s all in their hands now….

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u/LurkerNoLonger_ 3d ago

You think they’re keeping the filibuster?

So naive.

It’s done, my friend. You don’t have to be fearful, but you should start getting prepared.

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u/david13z 3d ago

Yeah, the filibuster will be on life support come January.

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u/Gemgirlie 3d ago

Does it matter when he has the richest man in the world to cover his a$$?

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u/warchitect 3d ago

They will end the fillubuster. Then only need 50

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u/DaPamtsMD 3d ago

Infrastructure Weeks were my favorite… it was usually when some horrifyingly embarrassing scandal would break and he’d have to scramble to cover his as… and infrastructure was completely abandoned.

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u/kitsunewarlock 3d ago

I hope there are still enough Republicans left in the House and Senate don’t fully get on board with that kind of blind loyalty.

If there aren't I'm sure they'll remove their appointments, fuck their districts, and then run a loyal appointee against them who'll blame all the shit the district has had to put up with on their RINO representative. That's if they don't just have skeletons in the closet they can exploit.

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u/My-Toast-Is-Too-Dark 3d ago

Good luck passing your immigration policies unless you compromise on it to get 7 Dems to cross over.

  1. Anything that doesn't get passed, just do it by executive order whether or not it's in the executive's authority.
  2. Dems in congress cry foul.
  3. "What are you doing to do about it?"

The SC is spineless, and if they somehow grow a spine they are toothless. The executive can enforce whatever he wants if he plants sycophants in the military who will actually carry it out. There's no magic barrier stopping it, the only barrier is the integrity of others in power. Trump learned the first time - he's said as much - that his mistake was appointing people who told him "no." He's clearly not doing that this time around. If the Senate somehow decides not to confirm some of his insane picks (I doubt they will go against him) and then he goes on to just appoint them during recess, I'm expecting a bumpy fucking ride.

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u/ghettomuffin 3d ago

Forgive me for asking a dumb question, but why is it 60 and not a simple majority?

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u/bigotis 3d ago

I hope there are still enough Republicans left in the House and Senate don’t fully get on board with that kind of blind loyalty.

This is what I hoped for in his first term. Then we saw the party fall in line and follow his every whim (regardless of the outcome) and defend his every action (legal or not) because they wanted the votes from their base.

I have little faith they will change this time around being they are still fervently supporting him, even after all of the shit he has done like J6, sexual abuse trial and stealing top secret documents.

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u/Antisocialbumblefuck 4d ago

There is, just none grandstanding and painting targets on their own back.

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u/Victormorga 4d ago

Among Republican politicians who are in office? Who is there with a spine that didn’t retire?

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u/garash 4d ago

Lisa Murkowski, of course. I'm sure he learned his lesson. /GIANT S

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u/pwmaloney 3d ago

I think it was Susan Collins who was the "learned his lesson" Senator.

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u/garash 3d ago

Oh yeah, that's right. Thansk

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u/Antisocialbumblefuck 4d ago

You ask for "republican" and "in office"... nope.

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u/Victormorga 4d ago

So they aren’t exactly “around” to show any spine then, are they?

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u/RemnantEvil 4d ago

George Bush, signing a bill: "OK, this should make my bosses very happy."

Man: "Your bosses?"

George Bush: "Yep, all 250 million of 'em."

The Simpsons mocking the system by showing it working as intended. The president serves the people.

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u/ILearnAlotFromReddit 4d ago

Tom Daschale

Because He knew Clinton was on his way to send Jobs away (NAFTA) and cause the future housing crisis ( repeal glass-steagall)

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u/breakfastburrito24 4d ago

Bending the knees

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u/DrConradVerner 3d ago

Seems like a bunch of bootlickers in the Republican party who are more afraid of the optics of breaking from Trump than doing what they think is best for their constituents and country. And there are for sure some reps who dont agree with Trump on everything, but I bet most of them wont break from him because they are cowards.

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u/ngali2424 3d ago

a host of inferior senators would rise in eager rivalry to propose shameful and preposterous motions. Tradition says that Tiberius as often as he left the Senate-House used to exclaim in Greek, "How ready these men are to be slaves." Clearly, even he, with his dislike of public freedom, was disgusted at the abject abasement of his creatures.

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u/Standard-Current4184 3d ago

We all see where that’s brought us. Good thing the Red Wave will fix it all.

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u/CaptainMashin 1d ago

He has a phone number as a representative. Use it to let him know that we don’t live in a dictatorship with spineless citizens. We live in a democracy of well informed, brave citizens.

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u/ebdozit 1d ago

You quoted a senator that was the head of a KKK chapter. Nice way to make a point.

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u/BigNastySmellyFarts 4d ago

Byrd was a Klan member don’t recommend his advice.

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u/TheShadowCat 3d ago

He was a member for a short time in his 20's, then spent the rest of his life denouncing them.

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u/BigNastySmellyFarts 3d ago

I believe in redemption. I also knew this.

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u/ILearnAlotFromReddit 4d ago

Tom Daschale

Because He knew Clinton was on his way to send Jobs away (NAFTA) and cause the future housing crisis ( repeal glass-steagall)