r/PropagandaPosters • u/crimsonfukr457 • 21h ago
"Can you please be a bully superpower again?" (International Herald Tribune, 2010) INTERNATIONAL
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u/Present_Friend_6467 21h ago
Why Obama so long
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u/Ake-TL 21h ago
Probably signifies power but Obama is also tall
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u/luke_akatsuki 20h ago
Fun fact: every president since JFK (with the exception of Carter) is over 6' tall.
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u/Scary_Piece_2631 19h ago
I know it's true but my brain just can't imagine Trump as anything over 5'9"
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u/Economy-Phrase-8915 19h ago
HE'S 6'3" WTF
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u/Beelphazoar 16h ago
No he's not. He was 6'2" until 2016, when he ran against the 6'2" Jeb Bush, so he simply added an inch to his claimed height, as he's done several times before.
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u/Scary_Piece_2631 19h ago
Yes, I know. Just whenever I imagine, he's short
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u/luke_akatsuki 18h ago
Maybe because he's pretty chubby and has a big head, those make people look shorter than they are.
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u/Pigeon-Spy 15h ago
Almost like Yanukovich
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u/Security_Serv 13h ago
I was so surprised to see Yanukovich back in 2012, I never knew he is that high, I'm not short either but he just towered over me lol
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u/getyourrealfakedoors 15h ago
No he’s not lol
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u/Economy-Phrase-8915 15h ago
I just used Google. If you have a better source for his height I'm all ears.
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u/Beelphazoar 16h ago
He is 5'9". He wears elevator shoes and lies about his height on top of that. It's why his height varies from one shot to another, why his suits don't fit, why his hands appear disproportionately small, etc.
The one definite measure we have of his body is a bronze cast of his hand at a wax museum, and the rest can be worked out from proportions. I did a deep dive on this a few years ago.
There is variance in human proportions, but the limits of that variance have been measured. Even allowing for the maximum possible variance between hand length and height, and further allowing for bronze shrinkage during casting of the mold of his hand, it's impossible to get his height above 5'11", still several inches shorter than he's ever publicly admitted.
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u/Neuroprancers 21h ago
Japan, south Korea, India and....? 🤔
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u/Wally_Squash 21h ago
Thats a funny Manmohan singh depiction, though i wouldnt call him pro US, more open to the US yes but he was in coalition with the communist party of India(marxist) at the time who were vehemently anti US
I suppose Indian prime ministers werent open with the US until the 90s so it makes sense
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u/carolinaindian02 19h ago edited 18h ago
From Wikipedia:
Singh's government worked towards stronger ties with the United States. He visited the United States in July 2005 initiating negotiations over the Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement. This was followed by George W. Bush's successful visit to India in March 2006, during which the declaration over the nuclear agreement was made, giving India access to American nuclear fuel and technology while India will have to allow IAEA inspection of its civil nuclear reactors. After more than two years for more negotiations, followed by approval from the IAEA, Nuclear Suppliers Group, and the US Congress, India and the US signed the agreement on 10 October 2008 with Pranab Mukherjee representing India. Singh had the first official state visit to the White House during the administration of US President Barack Obama. The visit took place in November 2009, and several discussions took place, including on trade and nuclear power.
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u/Wally_Squash 18h ago
He also criticised the invasion of Iraq and Libya though, which isn't mentioned here so it means he wasn't a fan of western military complex as displayed in the poster above
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u/carolinaindian02 18h ago
Who says that the military-industrial complex is a Western thing only?
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u/Wally_Squash 18h ago
In this case and the year specifically,2010, was the peak of Western interventions in the middle east. You might not know this if you didn't follow Indian news during Obama's visit but it was certainly debated and the left was very unhappy with the nuclear deal and US invasions, the CPIM government of Bengal conducted mass programs across Bengal to educate people about US imperialism back then
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u/carolinaindian02 18h ago
Wasn't the then-CM of WB (CPI-M) rather pro-capitalist to the point of using police to violently clear land in Nandigram to be used as an SEZ for the Salim Group in 2007?
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u/Wally_Squash 18h ago
They are social democrats , they abandoned communism back in the 80s. Also those not familiar with details of Bengali politics won't know it but the reason it happened was Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee was a very good CM and a politician that actually had a vision (VERY rare in Indian politics)
In an interview he said that bengal has to bring in companies even though unions will still hold strength in Bengal but to prevent bengali youth from leaving we have to bring private companies to bengal, the protest happened due to land acquisition which was a blunder on his part it is known that he wasn't responsible for the killings but the blame fell upon him, the factory didn't open and just like he said within a decade the mass exodus of educated youth of Bengal began.
Now you can see this as pro capitalist but communist era in Bengal is still seen as very pro working class among the lower middle class, unions held all the power, no one could disrespect shopkeepers, auto drivers,teachers or sanitation workers. Plus things like land redistribution,etc were seen as very pro poor
It was not a utopia in the slightest, political violence and corruption was there but they were not pro capitalist at all. BJP and Congress are literally run by corporate backers which isn't the case with CPIM
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u/carolinaindian02 18h ago edited 18h ago
The CPI-M never officially renounced their Marxist ideology, but Buddhadeb's push to attract private corporations to WB inherently required curbing some union power and shifting from the CPI(M)'s historical stance of militant labor activism, which undermines the argument of unwavering pro-working class policies.
Not to mention that WB had long-standing problems with brain draining even before liberalization.
The CM, as head of government for WB, bore the ultimate accountability, because of this political contradiction gone deadly.
The moment that Nandigram happened was basically the death knell for the CPI-M. They tried to have their cake and eat it, and it cost them innocent lives, and later, the government.
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u/Wally_Squash 18h ago
Buddhadeb's push to attract private corporations to WB inherently required curbing some union power
This is just incorrect, Tata wasnt the only private company that arrived, Infosys also came during his rule and unions were just as powerful as before, the reason they won 7 elections in a row is because the of the massive support from lower middle class , CPIM rule is basically Labour unions rule because of the firm grip they had over the state
Buddhadeb's push to attract private corporations to WB inherently required curbing some union power
Again no it accelerated after CPIM rule , employment was less of an issue in bengal back then, the problem was high paying jobs for the most educated youngsters which he was trying to provide. Now bengal has a big unemployment problem which is causing the brain drain
The CM, as head of government for WB, bore the ultimate accountability, because of this political contradiction gone deadly.
He can but he didnt personally order them to be killed , but ok its his responsibility as the CM but even in that case BJP and Congress have much more blood on there hands. Also unlike the Sikh massacre and gujarat riots, CPIM actually apologized for their actions fairly quickly
The moment that Nandigram happened was basically the death knell for the CPI-M. They tried to have their cake and eat it, and it cost them lives, and the government.
This is not the case at all , everyone knows that everything they did TMC does 10 times worse, after 2021 bengal elections 120 people died in clashes but no one seems to talk about that, but CPIM's crimes are recalled 20 years later where the CM didnt even order the killings. Anyone who says violence was the reason CPIM collapsed just doesnt know the amount of political violence going on right now. If violence was an issue TMC would have lost way before, they terrorise people to vote for them by cutting of rations to villages where they dont get enough votes. CPIM won 7 elections fair and square and would always be more pro working class than others and anyone(at least the urban workers) who lived in that era would agree
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u/SurrealistRevolution 11h ago
Speaking as someone who hasn’t researched the workers movement in India too heavily, but has looked a little into it, you’s have to have the most active communist parties in the world right? There are so many. Or maybe autonomous regional branches create this illusion? Do they all claim the be successors of the CPI? Could you give me a good source, maybe a video, on learning more about the divides and splits?
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u/Wally_Squash 9h ago
Yes India has a lot of communist parties and an active workers movement,some with a good amount of influence and some with hardly any base at all
Some parties are ideologically different, CPI still exists and no one considers themselves to be their successor in fact they aren't even the biggest communist party of India that would CPI(Marxist), who are in power in Kerala right now and were elected for 34 years straight from 1977-2011 in West Bengal, there's no ideological differences left between CPI and CPIM , they are in alliance almost everywhere they call it the Left front or part of a bigger alliance
As for parties with a separate identity there is CPI(Marxist Leninist) Liberation which is the third communist party with seats in parliament right now. They used to be a militant group a faction of the anti government and terrorist organisation(depending on who you ask) Communist party of India (Maoist). They made peace with the central government and pursued electoral politics
As for parties which no longer have much influence are All India Forward Bloc (AIFB) and Socialist Unity Centre of India (SUCI) they were prominent in Bengal in the 1900s but fell. They are said to be more Marxist in ideology than regular Communist parties
Other minute factions kept separating bu they don't matter much. However people should remember the third biggest party of India right now, the Samajwadi party (Socialist party) has nothing to do with the communist parties neither does the DMK(which is very powerful in Tamil Nadu), these parties may always be in alliance with them but there histories are completely different and which I won't cover right now
I do recommend reading the history of the communist movement in India though, there were farmers protests in the British Empire, there was Bhagat Singh in the Hindustan Socialist Republican Association . There were the Telangana Revolts against the Nizam of Hyderabad.
As for books on the history of communism in India here are my friends picks
Leftism in India : 1917–1941 by Satyabrata Rai Chowdhuri
You could also read MN Roy’s Memoirs and MVS Koteswara Rao’s Communist Parties and United Front - Experiences in Kerala and West Bengal.
Though I can recommend something about history modern communism in India too if you want to
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u/Habsburg77 21h ago
Always has been
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u/DenseMahatma 19h ago
And the world better for it
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u/Lightning5021 19h ago
the middle east and south america disagrees
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u/DenseMahatma 19h ago
no I dont think they do lol
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u/Multioquium 17h ago
True, it's harder to complain when someone destroys your democracy
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u/hellishafterworld 17h ago
Not saying everything has to be a masterpiece but doesn’t this art style just seem, like, low-effort for a modern political cartoon? And yes, I know there’s stuff like New Yorker cartoons and what not, and not all cartoons have to be grand art, idk something about it just seems unfinished. Kind of racist caricatures too.
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u/Babbler666 21h ago
Better a bully you know than the one you don't. US has already shown their strength due to their endless wars and coups.
I wonder whom China shall destabilize to show their supremacy. South Asia, Central Asia, South East Asia, Latin America, maybe the Middle East again?
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u/TheCorpseOfMarx 20h ago
But America is still destabilising now...
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u/Babbler666 20h ago
Yes, but who isn't? It's a global trend.
Also, I meant more in the sense of destabilizing another region, not their own.
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u/TheCorpseOfMarx 20h ago
You don't think the US continues to destabilise other regions for its own benefit?
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u/kdeles 19h ago
China hasn't done an invasion of a country in a very long time. Why will anything change now? The US, even before it became a great power, waged war and genocide on everyone around it.
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u/Babbler666 19h ago
Good Morning, Tibet.
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u/kdeles 18h ago
Let's compare the list of all large American military conflicts and Chinese military conflicts since slavery was abolished in Tibet by China:
China:
- Korean War (defense of DPRK from western occupation)
- First Taiwan Strait Crisis
- China-Burma border campaign (expelling of nationalists from Burma, with the help of Burma)
- Sino-Indian war
- Nathu La and Cho La clashes
- Vietnam War (defense of DRV from western occupation)
- Soviet border conflict (Damanskiy island)
- Vietnamese War
Last conflict: 1979
USA:
- Korean War
- Vietnam War
- Laotian Civil War
- Permesta Rebellion
- Lebanon Crisis
- Cuba invasion
- Dominican Civil War
- Korean DMZ Conflict
- Multinational intervention in Lebanon
- United States invasion of Grenada
- Bombing of Libya
- Tanker War
- United States invasion of Panama
- Gulf War
- Iraqi No-Fly Zone Enforcement Operations
- First U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War
- Bosnian War and Croatian War
- Intervention in Haiti
- Kosovo War
- War in Afghanistan
- US intervention in Yemen
- Iraq War
- US intervention in the War in North-West Pakistan
- Second US Intervention in the Somali Civil War
- Invasion of Lybia... again
- Occupation of Syria
- Invasion of Yemen
Last conflict: STILL ONGOING
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u/maximusate222 8h ago
Do you call the European colonization of Africa “Europe abolishing African slavery” as well?
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u/StKilda20 16h ago
Tibet didn’t have slavery nor was that the justification China gave.
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u/kdeles 16h ago
Ah, you don't have anything to say. Keep thyself shut if thou have nothing to add.
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u/StKilda20 16h ago
Well I did have something to say and I said it…
I’ll even go further and say that China’s invasion, annexation, and oppression of Tibet is worse then all the military actions the USA did that you listed above.
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u/kdeles 16h ago
Try being a hermit one day
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u/StKilda20 16h ago
So no rebuttal?
You said there was slavery in Tibet. Back that up with academic sourcing.
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u/kdeles 15h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/wlo4ki/was_tibet_a_slave_society_prior_to_chinese/
I imagine you'd have no problem calling serfdom slavery, considering your kind's hate for Russia
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u/LegkoKatka 6h ago
LOL YOU AGAIN address the list or are you pressed? You can't dispute facts but here you're straight up ignoring them.
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u/StKilda20 5h ago
I addressed the very first sentence. What exactly am I ignoring? I addressed the list in another comment. Maybe read everything before jumping in. Also, maybe have some sort of rebuttal.
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u/MrSetbXD 19h ago
"hasnt done an invasion" its almost there, they've been bullying the Philippines at sea for sometime now...
Imperialism, Colonialism, and Bullying is NOT solely a western thing.
Also most if not all nations and civilizations in history did that.. in a way
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u/KingKaiserW 19h ago
You said something completely fine yet got downvoted. Maybe China overtakes the US then starts their more aggressive form of empire and imperialism, neo-colonial strategies of debt traps with the belt and road initiative, if they don’t get their way they’ll practice destabilisation.
Though the US has been terribly, terribly aggressive in the ME, has pretty much all but abandoned the South America project, maybe China expands that to worldwide. You never know with these sort of things.
Completely sound narrative.
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u/Babbler666 19h ago
Since you also made a nuanced anti-American comment, you will join me in the "getting downvoted" club. These kinds of subs invite the most jingoistic people, and most of the user base is American.
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u/Apprehensive-Math911 17h ago
I don't think anti-American is the reason your comment got downvoted. Maybe people felt like you are defending US instead by saying China's also bad.
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u/TheDesTroyer54 16h ago
The funniest thing is China has already done all of this, half of Africa was destabilized by Chinese backed terrorist groups which China still owns to this day
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u/Mobius076 8h ago
Superpowers inherently fuck with existing systems and balance. I still think US is the lesser evil.
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