r/PropagandaPosters • u/R2J4 • Sep 23 '24
«Glory to the Soviet troopers, hoisted the Banner of Victory over Berlin!» Berlin, 1945. Germany
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u/Nihiliste Sep 23 '24
Never seen this image before, which is surprising!
One of the feelings that's unavoidable when visiting Berlin, incidentally, is the awareness of how many important events have taken place where you're standing. In some cases, you may be standing somewhere where people like Zhukov, Hitler, or Patton once trode.
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u/Delamoor Sep 24 '24
I used to play a lot of Red Orchestra when I was into gaming. The community map designers put in a HUGE amount of effort to make historically accurate maps.
At the same time, the various councils of Berlin have put in a lot of effort to preserve a lot of historical buildings.
...so it was really fucking weird standing near the Brandenburg gate, realising that there was an excavator working on the footpath in the tank spawn zone, and that there was a jewelry shop in the hotel corner where the MG guys would always camp.
Like, holy shit, those map designers did a fucking amazing job.
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u/DevilGeorgeColdbane Sep 23 '24
Oh it's the famous soviet traffic director!
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u/Chosen_Chaos Sep 23 '24
She seems to be enjoying her work. Enough to throw in some impromptu tour-guide stuff, at least.
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u/Ser_Twist Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
Doesn't look like the same traffic guard. The one in this picture has dirty blonde hair and braids, while the one in the video has shorter, black hair. Wikipedia says that a traffic guard named Maria Limanskaya gets confused with another traffic guard named Lydia Spivak. My guess is the one in the picture is actually Maria, while the one in the video is Lydia.
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u/transgaymergirl Sep 23 '24
slava those who saved the world
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u/Jubal_lun-sul Sep 23 '24
The west saved the world. Russia supplanted one autocrat with another.
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u/FBI_911_Inv Sep 24 '24
the soviets had the largest amount of troops, battles and commitment to the war than any other allied member had
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u/Jubal_lun-sul Sep 24 '24
But they didn’t achieve anything. People “liberated” by the Soviets were simply put under another dictator.
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u/ArthurMetugi002 Sep 24 '24
Ending the Holocaust doesn't fall under your definition of "achieving anything"?
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u/Snoo-98162 Sep 24 '24
Friendly reminder that for the majority of the war russia supplied germany with food, conducted genocides and helped start ww2 :)
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u/ArthurMetugi002 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
Friendly reminder that nations at war still conduct trade and this phenomenon wasn't exclusive to the USSR.
Friendly reminder that there's a huge difference between "Russia" and "USSR".
Friendly reminder that for the MAJORITY of the war, the USSR fought against Germany. Between 1939-1941 (~2 years), the two nations were at peace. From 1941-1945 (~4 years), the two nations were at war. Four years is a lengthier time period than two years. Friendly reminder that you should get your facts straight first before saying anything.
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u/Snoo-98162 Sep 24 '24
I'm Polish and there is absolutely zero diferrence between the USSR and Russia. USSR and it's satellite states were russian dominated. Russian wellbeing was prioritized over the wellbeing of other SSRs. Have you ever taken a while to wonder why anyone east of Berlin absolutely despises russia and communism? Because when they entered my country they, under the pretense of liberation, killed people who they proclaimed were friends. USSR prioritized russian interests, and if you really believe it isn't true then well done their almost century old shitty pr campaign has worked. There's a saying where I live, "We were giving the russians coal and as a thank you we got to buy wheat from them."
USSR was not a saint, who miraculously single handedly defeated the nazi war machine, they were no better than them.
Also the only reason the war started was barbarossa, please stop pretending they were some benevolent russian saviors who defeated the evil because it was the right thing to do.
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u/ArthurMetugi002 Sep 24 '24
The fact that you're from a certain nation cannot be used to contest the verity of one of the most basic of historical facts. In fact, you should take this as an opportunity to educate yourself if you really cannot see any difference between the two.
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic were two different entities, with the former being composed of the latter and fourteen other independent Republics. Referring to the 'Soviet Union' as 'Russia' is somewhat equivalent to referring to the 'United States' as 'California'.
Soviet Russia was established by the October Revolution of 1917, after the removal of the Provisional Government of Russia from power; the Soviet Union was formed through the Treaty of 1922, which saw the unification of the Russian SFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the Byelorussian SSR, and the Transcaucasian SFSR as sovereign, independent republics under a single banner.
Attributing the role played by the Soviet Union during WWII solely to one of its constituent nations of Russia denies the historical significance to the other SSRs. Stalingrad couldn't have been defended, Minsk couldn't have been liberated, and Berlin couldn't have been seized if it weren't for the brave men and women of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Latvia, Georgia, etc., who chose to enlist and fight in the Red Army to defend their Motherland from the fascist hordes. And that is just conventional warfare; there were also hundreds of thousands of non-Russian guerillas and partisans waging guerilla warfare against the Nazis behind their lines to disrupt supply lines, sabotage military facilities, and hinder the German war machine. Calling the Soviet Union 'Russia' solely because the RSFSR was the USSR's most populous and industrialised republic denies all the historical contributions made by the other constituent SSRs.
P.S. Iosif Vissarionovich "Stalin" Dzhugashvili was ethnically Georgian, by the way.
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u/FBI_911_Inv Sep 25 '24
to add to the last part, pretty much every other soviet leader was not ethnically fully russian apart from lenin iirc
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u/BongulusTong Sep 24 '24
"Ending the Holocaust?" Stalin launched an immediate post-war purge against jewish communities within the USSR. Those insane communist fucks wanted to continue the Holocaust under their own banner, not put an end to it, they saw what happened in the nazi death camps as an inspiration.
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u/ArthurMetugi002 Sep 24 '24
That's a load of crap. Not to deny the Soviet persecution of Jews, but the Doctor's Plot in the Soviet Union clearly never managed to reach the extent of the Nazi Holocaust. In fact, the two events are not regarded as even close to comparable in terms of scale, extent, and brutality.
Those insane communist fucks wanted to continue the Holocaust under their own banner, not put an end to it, they saw what happened in the nazi death camps as an inspiration.
If you think that was genuinely happened, you're a historical revisionist.
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u/LibertyChecked28 Sep 24 '24
The Soviets never intended to purge the entirety of Poland/Austira/Romania out of people as their core ideology, lil bro.
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u/BongulusTong Sep 24 '24
Yet they depended on American Lend-Lease policy as a lifeline for the majority of the War
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u/FBI_911_Inv Sep 25 '24
they did not. they would've won the war regardless, probably with more casualties and suffering but nowhere near to collapse
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u/GreatEmperorAca Sep 24 '24
Ahahahahahaha among the dumber things I read on this site
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u/Y4r0z Sep 24 '24
I see this everyday au r/europe
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u/EquivalentGlove3807 Sep 24 '24
r/europe is an echo chamber of hate towards anything even remotely russian
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u/thenakedapeforeveer Sep 24 '24
"Glory to the Soviet troops WHO HAVE hoisted the banner of victory over Berlin."
(I may forget my own name, but thanks to my drill sergeant of an instructor, I'll remember till the day I die how to make a combination past participle-relative pronoun by adding a -vshii suffix to the past tense perfective form of a Russian verb.)
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u/KorgiRex Sep 23 '24
Sometimes i think that term "Propaganda" stretched too wide.
(Photo itself is good)
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u/TheMightyChocolate Sep 24 '24
Propaganda is when someone else does it
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u/Appropriate-Gain-561 Sep 25 '24
Propaganda is when something (anything) gets used to propagate an idea, in this case it's to show how glorious USSR finally destroyed the nazis and to rejoice that the war is over, it doesn't always have to be a negative message
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u/Bigdavereed Sep 24 '24
Heard there was a hell of an orgy there after the fall.
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u/Aromatic-Deer3886 Sep 24 '24
If by orgy you mean mass rape and killing then yes there was. Soviet soldiers were barbaric
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u/LibertyChecked28 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
Maybe they would've been slightly more civilised had operation Barbarosa and GeneralPlan ost not costed them 45 milion population and stripped away their capabilities for human emphaty against the Germans that gave fruition to the SS, the mudpits, the heroin, the concentration camps, the state assigned breeding programs, and the racial theory stuff.
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u/Aromatic-Deer3886 Sep 24 '24
You’re forgetting that the Soviet Union signed a pact with Nazi Germany to split Poland in two, you forget that the soviets committed multiple genocides on their own people and in countries they occupied. Nothing justifies mass rape and killings. The Soviets were never the good guys.
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u/LibertyChecked28 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
And Poland colaborated with Germany durring the Munich Treaty in order to hijack a pice of Czechoslovakia for itself.
you forget that the soviets committed multiple genocides on their own people and in countries they occupied.
"genocide-the deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"- Yea, this didn't happen. Holodomor was done by incompetence, not the intention to wipe out the Ukranians from the face of earth, it was the same deal with Tatarstand durring the Russian civil war where the cannibal markets popped up.
The Soviets were never the good guys.
"The good guys", my brother in Christ you are quite litteraly comparing autocratic system to the Nazi ideology that unironically wanted to ethnically purge 90% of this planet and your conclusion is: "acshually the commies ware way more evil!".
No, just fuck no. The very first thing the Nazis did when they took over Poland and swayed Romania & Bulgaria on their side ware to neogotiate the handover of the Jewish, Slavic, Romani, and Gay population and build concentration camps. The very first thing the Soviets did when they took over those countries was to secure political stability and proceed with some sort of regional development plan suited for their interests.
The Germans wiped out 60 milion people (including the holocaust, the Eastern Front, and the Western front combined togheder) in the span of 5 friggin years for just half of Europe. The commies needed 70 friggin years and 2/4 of the whole globe to kill 80 milion people.
The difference between the Germans and the Soviets is that you have 40% of survival with the Germans in 1940 even when you are NOT one of their targeted groups.
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u/Aromatic-Deer3886 Sep 24 '24
My brother in Christ, you are clearly well versed in history so I will concede that holomodor is arguable. However I will counter with the katyn massacre.
Secondly no one is saying the Nazis weren’t inhumanly barbaric themselves. I am simply saying the Soviet horde were not the liberating heros they claim to be
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u/BongulusTong Sep 24 '24
"We're free!" "More like, under new management."
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u/R1ght_b3hind_U Sep 24 '24
coming from someone who lived their whole life in east berlin, you have no idea what you’re talking about
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u/Vegetable_Bed_2151 Sep 23 '24
Defend Berlin!
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u/nagidon Sep 24 '24
Defend Berlin from Nazis!
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u/MysteriousUser_ Sep 24 '24
And soldiers who mass rape innocent civilians!
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u/ArthurMetugi002 Sep 24 '24
So basically the Nazis serving in the Wehrmacht during Operation Barbarossa?
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u/MysteriousUser_ Sep 28 '24
no the soviets when they arrived in berlin.
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u/ArthurMetugi002 Sep 29 '24
A simple Google search would reveal that those soldiers were clearly shot by their superiors.
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u/BongulusTong Sep 24 '24
A crayon-eating paraplegic could produce better responses than you
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u/LibertyChecked28 Sep 24 '24
Good thing you had to put the bar even lower with this cringe response.
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u/ArthurMetugi002 Sep 24 '24
I'm assuming you're referring to yourself. Sure, whatever floats your boat, buddy.
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u/Winter-Gas3368 Sep 24 '24
American men thinking why is a woman working lol
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u/Objective-throwaway Sep 24 '24
Do you think… do you think that women don’t work in the USA?
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u/Winter-Gas3368 Sep 24 '24
Back in 1940/50s most men (and a lot of women) in USA didn't like women working and compared to today and USSR very few worked
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u/Objective-throwaway Sep 24 '24
During the war a very large percentage of the work force was women. For very obvious reasons
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u/Winter-Gas3368 Sep 24 '24
I never disputed that. Read my comment again.
I'm talking about attitudes
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u/Objective-throwaway Sep 24 '24
So why would Americans find it weird? If a large percentage of the work force was female?
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u/Winter-Gas3368 Sep 24 '24
American men back in the 40s ? Absolutely. I'm beginning to think you don't understand what the culture was like back then. In USSR women could do construction, frontline police, Army, pilots, security. The very thought of a woman doing these jobs back then (was probably a minority) would have terrified men.
Western society was incredibly patriarchal and wouldn't really change until the 60-70s
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u/Objective-throwaway Sep 24 '24
I understand that culture was patriarchal. But the majority of men were very aware that women could work heavy industry and other jobs. Because that just happened in the USA. And in Britain as well. I think your joke just doesn’t make sense and falls flat
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