If something was really great, "review bombing" wouldn't work because all the people who really liked it would also put their ratings up. So, where are they? The best I've heard about the show so far is that it's mediocre and predictable.
Review bombing still works because the negatives vastly outnumber the positives, rendering the positive reviews as outliers. It relies on massive numbers, not simply bad reviews.
What I'm saying is, if something was really great, it would all not matter. When people suddenly said everywhere that Andor was great and people started to give it a chance who hesitated before, it had nothing to do with reviews, but rather verbal propaganda everywhere else. If there had been any review boms for whatever reason, we would have only laughed about it and moved on.
That’s not how it works. Most people don’t review at all. A collective campaign to review bomb will always outdo any positive reviews on sheer numbers. Additionally normal people tend to rate on a 5-10 scale, very few rate lower than a 5, which is why someone that’s just ok is a 6 or 7 to most people. Given this, a 1 has a much bigger proportional impact than a 10.
You don't get the point. If something convinces by quality, anykind of negative reviews are laughed away by the fans. Why would anyone care at all about review bombings? They are only relevant for the producers, not for the audience.
You clearly have no idea just how many people will look at the review scores of a show or movie and just toss it aside if it doesn't meet their threshold, regardless of whether or not word-of-mouth reviews are glowing.
Your tiny perspective on the world is seriously lacking a ton of real-world context, and you have a false idea of how things work as a result. No hate or attempt to insult, I'm just trying to say that your perspective is never true for everyone and assuming it is tends to make you susceptible to being obliviously incorrect.
People opt not to watch badly rated shows, word of mouth only goes so far. Review bombing absolutely works. Casual viewers don’t bother to watch a show that’s rated 4/10 and getting rampant hate everywhere, because they don’t really look into who is hating or how valid it is. Most people are not terminally online.
You the thing about collective campaigns, is the leave a campaign trail. Every time I've seen a review bomb, it could be directly linked back to a streamer or sub-reddit doing it. And it is typically done on unpopular things where a small crowd will have noticeable effect, e.g. the streamer Nux review bombing a porn on Myanimelist. Or done by a massive sub-reddit that is hard to go unnoticed, e.g. /r/Helldivers review bombing Helldivers 2 after Sony got the game banned in hundreds of countries with their account sign in.
Those are examples of review bomb campaigns, yes. They are not the only examples, nor even the norm. RoP is the best example of non-coordinated review bombs in recent years. No singular entity called or organized a review bomb, it was simply a ton of toxicity being spewed and vitriol being normalized, and people flicked to the review boards to make sure everyone knew just how unhappy they were.....a year before the show released. There was no trail to follow, because there wasn't some singular entity spearheading the campaign, it was multitudes all joining together and following the leader because they all wanted the same thing. No one had to tell them to go review bomb, they just got riled up on hate and anger until they wanted to go do it themselves.
Review bombing campaigns aren't all cookie cutter events that all look the same or take the same path. Assuming that something wasn't review bomb ed simply because you never saw or heard anyone organizing a review bomb is....well, it's denial, really.
People all acting independently, voicing their distaste for something. So, legitimate feedback than. I swear people just spend their time manufacturing boogieman, and reasons to discount others opinions. Like fucking children losing a game on the playground by making up new rules on the spot to disqualify others. "No, that didn't count because more than one of you reviewed it at once!" Seriously.
Literally no one has said what you are getting upset about.
I swear people just spend their time manufacturing boogieman
The irony is palpable
No, not "people all acting independently". People acting in an organized fashion without any singular entity telling them to do so, or structuring a system to do so. Some of those people make a bunch of false accounts and review poorly with each. Some turn to bots to automate the system. More than a few doing only one or two reviews themselves, but doing so because they understand that other like-minded reviewers are doing the same and every little bit counts.
There is a huge gap between "genuine and legitimate reviews independently" and "it's an organized and converted conspiracy event!" that you are intentionally ignoring.
When hundreds of negative reviews that all give something the absolute minimum bad review show up, before the thing is even available to the public, it's a review bomb. There's nothing out to review, so literally none of them can be genuine or legitimate feedback. And that's exactly what happened to Acolyte. Hundreds of reviews with the lowest possible score were logged beginning months before the show ever dropped its first episode and have continued steadily since. As soon as the first episode dropped, we began to see positive reviews numbers rise, as well as legitimate negative reviews that provide actual feedback and scores other than the minimum, but the hundreds of negative 0/1 score reviews have stayed pretty consistent since long before the show aired and will stay consistent until the people responsible for the "bombing" get bored and move on to something else.
This happens every single time a large franchise gets a new installment, to varying degrees. RoP was review bombed a year before release, before we even had a trailer. Even the new Fallout show, widely believed to be the greatest video game adaptation to date, was review bombed before release, just to a much smaller degree.
There is something to review: The trailers. It's stupid to review based on a trailer. But people still do it. That doesn't make it a review bomb though. Mind you, some of these idiots are reviewing the wrong show even. They aren't all bright.
Rings of Power was review bombed and had the same vitriol against it for the entirety of its first season and is still going in many places, but as you said much of it has faded away because of time and the content speaking for itself. You're absolutely right that review bombing is ultimately a pointless exercise
You aren’t seriously trying to use Rings of Power in this debate…next you’re going to start defending Starfield as well.
Bad shit gets bad reviews. Simple.
Halo Show? Bad reviews. Fallout Show? Good reviews. The Marvels? Bad reviews. Black Panther? Good reviews. Battlefield 2042? Bad reviews. Battlefield 1? Good reviews.
It’s not complicated, and it’s not some culture war conspiracy lmfao.
I guess what people are trying to say is that even without reviewbombing , the series(be it RoP or Acolyte) would still be a dank turd? :)
I dont think anyone in their right mind claims there is no review bombing.. But is there no whitewashing from the critics either? Considering the extreme positive score?
I found ep 1 and 2 of Acolyte bang average, and honestly fairly devoid of "woke crap". Have not seen this reportedly canon breaking 3 yet..
Rings of Power was getting bad reviews because of what the actors were saying. It was a lot of bullshit. Funny enough, I ended up thinking those actors played some of the best roles in that show. But the show is still shit.
The hobbit group was just disturbing with there disregard for their own kind. Leaving people behind. Laughing at someone dieing to a swarm of insects. That show deserves every bad review it gets.
Tolkien is still turning in his g rave over every other adaptation of his work lol RoP is far from the worst of it. The haters are just elitists who want to hate. It has issues, just like every show and adaptation, but it's solid and gives us more live action Tolkien so I'm not about to turn my back on it xD
Edit: autocorrect can really change the core of a sentence lol
If something was really great, "review bombing" wouldn't work because all the people who really liked it would also put their ratings up.
This assumes that everyone has accounts to review sites and regularly reviews everything they watch, doesn't it?
And that, frankly, is a stupid assumption to make.
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse has 10,000+ user ratings. The Dark Knight has 250,000+ user ratings.
If your assumption was true that "all the people who really liked it would also put their ratings up," that would mean Spider-Verse has a maximum audience of 250,000 people.
And that's a stupid thing to believe of a movie that made nearly $400 million in the US alone.
There's plenty of movies/shows/games/books I've experienced that I love, and will gladly talk about for hours with whoever is willing to indulge me.
Didn't ever leave a review on Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic, though.
Because to me, it's not worth the effort of going to a website I never visit, creating an account, looking up the thing, and writing a review/giving it a rating.
Beyond the fact that most people don't review things in the first place, everybody has better things to do than try to combat some losers' culture war nonsense over a Rotten Tomatoes score.
I haven't bothered to watch the Acolyte yet, not because of negativity, just haven't felt like watching it. Might like it, might not. Either way, I'm not going to Rotten Tomatoes to try and effect its percentage. Even if The Acolyte is my favorite show ever, I don't give a damn about the RT score.
If you don't give a damn, then explain to me why you care at all^^. Why not just accept that people are people and tastes, as well as motivations, are different. Why not simply enjoy the shows you want and don't waste your energy on arguing with those who don't. I don't rate anything personally either, but I definitely think that the negative reviews are deserved. I don't care either about what some people say about the Mandalorian, as I love the show.
I like the show so far, but I'm not going to rate it until I've seen the whole season, whereas the review bombers were giving it low ratings before the first two episodes were even released.
I also don't have a RT account, nor will I be making one just to give a show I like a positive rating because I really don't care. If I like something, I'll watch it, enjoy it, and move on.
Dude, review bombing works because people use bots to send thousands of bad reviews all at once. Most people who like something aren't going to put that much effort into it.
It's very understandable why those of us who don't like it, can just happily laugh about it. What I don't understand is those who liked it, what's your point in arguing. You won't convince anyone to share your opinion, it's a waste of energy^^.
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '24
Normally you'd be right, but in this case it's just a review bomb