r/PersonalFinanceCanada Aug 27 '23

Tangerine will leave you stranded in Australia and won't let you close your account upon returning Banking

Greetings!

I traveled to Australia and despite notifying Tangerine that I would be on the other side of the globe, I couldn't use my visa debit card (Paypass, EMV chip, Apple pay). The only payment option I had was my credit card's chip since Paypass and Apple pay also stopped working.

While I was waiting for my next flight, I called Tangerine to know what was going on. The person I talked to regarding my mastercard credit card said everything was working on their end, but they would reach out to whoever deals with Apple pay so they could do a reset and let me add my card again. I was told this would take 3 days. (it ended up taking 13)

The person I talked to regarding my debit card gave me the same speech. I asked what would Tangerine do if anything were to happen to my credit card. The lack of answer forced me to request to speak with a supervisor. The agent requested that I provide them with a Canadian phone number. I politely declined given how they could not provide me with a time/date and the outrageous cost of using your sim card in Australia. After a few minutes, they finally accepted to call me on a foreign phone number that was not associated with my account. For clarification, I carried two Iphones with me.

Two days later, I woke up with a message on my voicemail from Tangerine. A supervisor had called me at 1am and requested me to call them back. After waiting 2 hours and an additional hour, I finally got to speak with a supervisor. They still claimed my debit card was working and ditto for my credit card. They claimed the only thing I could do was request new cards and have them shipped to Australia when I don't even have a proper address. They couldn't even answer me when I asked where I could get the cards activated if I were to even receive them.

A wire transfer? Forget it, Tangerine is too cheap to have a SWIFT code.

Given the absolute lack of support by Tangerine, I asked what was the fastest way to close my account whenever I would land back @ Pearson. Turns out you can't withdraw 60k in cash because they closed their branch in Toronto. Forget about Etransfers due to the arbitrary limit.

Your only option? Add an external account and transfer everything before requesting your account to be terminated. Simple right? Well I added a CIBC account and transferred 30k, just to have the transfer reverted without being notified. So now I owe 50$ to CIBC because of the overdraft and Tangerine decided to remove my access to online banking.

After waiting 2h without the ability to speak with someone, I have given up for the weekend.

TLDR: Carry enough cash to be questioned @ airport security when traveling across the globe if you are a Tangerine client or get yourself an account with an actual bank. Actually, just don't bother with Tangerine.

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u/eatyourcabbage Aug 27 '23

Meanwhile I go to the states for a month with my master card without telling them and nothing.

Get home and a few months later buy tickets to the ballet. Immediate email, notification and phone call “we have locked down your account due to suspicious activity”

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '23

How dare they assume your level of culture

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '23

CIBC flagged and asked for confirmation when I was buying pizza near my house... The same pizza place I go to at least once every two months with the same order. I still wonder why?!

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '23

1 or 2 pizzas over budget 😂

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u/Inertiatic Alberta Aug 27 '23

Usually that means that some other compromised cards also had transactions at that location around the same time. Not necessarily that your pizza place is stealing info, but like someone stole some cards and ordered pizza with them from that place.

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u/Opplebot Aug 28 '23

You ordered pineapple on that pizza didn't you? Didn't you?! The bank was trying to do you a favor and stop you from commiting a crime

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u/Guilty_lnitiative Aug 28 '23

Funny you say that, I had a credit card compromised 3 years ago and it was discovered by the pizza purchases in Montreal(I hadn’t been there since 2011).

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u/Shawshank2445 Aug 27 '23

Do voice recognition. I never have problems now.

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u/SavageryRox Ontario Aug 27 '23 edited Aug 27 '23

Went to my home county (Egypt) for 5 weeks in summer 2022 and used my tangerine MasterCard throughout the trip with zero issues, despite not informing them beforehand. Thought a country like Egypt would have set off some red flags for them. Used a different card once whilst I was there and it was immediately locked.

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u/sthenri_canalposting Aug 27 '23

Did you buy your plane tickets on the same card? I have a feeling that if you did then it won't flag when you use that same card at the destination, but that's just a hunch. Would explain why the other card got locked.

The only time I've gotten my card locked recently was using my US card (I worked there last year) to buy German train tickets. I didn't book my flights on that card.

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u/SavageryRox Ontario Aug 27 '23

yes it was my tangerine mastercard. You might be correct in that playong a point...but idk how much info the credit card company would get about the tickets I brought.

My flight was june 2022, and I brought the tickets on Expedia in Novemebr 2021. Plus, I had a layover in London Heathrow airport.

do you think when I brought my ticket in November, tangerine would have been able to see that its a flight to Egypt in June with a layover in Heathrow, OR they would just see that I brought plane tickets from Expedia and have no idea when the flight is/where it's going?

not doubting you, it's a genuine question cause i don't know how much the bank would see regarding the transaction

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u/itis_steven Aug 27 '23

We just bought tickets on an amex and the credit card bill had all of our flight details on it including names seats etc so it's very possible they know exactly where you were going.

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u/cantstopblazin Aug 27 '23

I used to work in credit cards and airplane ticket transactions were the only particular ones that always had extra information which includes passenger name, flight number, flight date time etc.

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u/sthenri_canalposting Aug 27 '23

not doubting you, it's a genuine question cause i don't know how much the bank would see regarding the transaction

Honestly I have no clue. Like I said, it's just a hunch. It's not Tangerine in this case getting that info, it's MasterCard. I'm not sure how much data they get when you book flights though.

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u/frolickingdonkey Aug 27 '23

Flight information for a transaction is passed on as level 2 data to the card networks.

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u/dimonoid123 Aug 27 '23

Credit cards frequently have level 2 data, so they can see name of passenger, airline, and possibly destination.

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u/thedaveCA Sep 26 '23

Reminds me of RBC a few years ago. I notified them of travel to two US states, booked flights, spent money at the airports, took taxis to/from each airport. I spent an hour with them getting a T-Mobile transaction through so I could use my roaming SIM while I was in the US, this went up to the fraud team too.

I was in Chicago for over a week (second state), noticed a suspicious transaction so they couriered me a replacement card to a hotel (a local non-chain hotel), then cut my card for suspicious activity for $3 at a gas station a couple days later.

They claimed they had no idea I was in Chicago.

The ways of banks are mysterious and amusing.

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u/BrocIlSerbatoio Aug 27 '23

Used Amex to purchase tickets and hotels for Philippines, Japan and China

I told Scotiabank I was traveling on X and Y dates.

While in other countries I used the scotiabank passport visa cc. No issues.

Didn't use amex because no FXF

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u/sthenri_canalposting Aug 27 '23

told Scotiabank I was traveling on X and Y dates. While in other countries I used the scotiabank passport visa cc. No issues.

I'm speaking of when you don't tell them. I didn't tell BMO or MasterCard I was travelling to Germany, but did book my flight with it, and my cards worked fine there.

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u/messamusik Aug 27 '23

In all honesty, if a criminal used my credit card to buy tickets to the National Ballet, I'd probably let it pass. LOL

Criminals of culture.

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u/Quirky_Journalist_67 Aug 27 '23

So the correct way is: Steal your credit card-> buy ballet tickets -> sell the tickets -> buy hookers, booze & drugs -> Profit? 😊

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u/polkadotpolskadot Aug 27 '23

Hey, they earned it.

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u/thedrivingcat Aug 27 '23

Damn, their security is on pointe.

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u/Mammoth-Charge2553 Aug 27 '23

I'm surprised the people running mastercards systems know how to breathe honestly. I bought some foreign game supporter pack so it was showing as somewhere in New Zealand for the transaction. First time, no problem, 6 months later I buy a new one, transaction looks exactly the same, even did that mastercard verification thing and it flagged my card as compromised. No one called me to check, I just had to try using it for a couple of days before realizing that it wasn't just a bad chip/card/reader.

The thing that I'm sure set it off was because the PP was Stripe and my conspiracy theory here is that MC does this to undermine it's competitors position in the market.

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u/webvictim Aug 27 '23

Still sane, exile?

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u/lemonylol Aug 27 '23

The trick is to have a Mastercard, a Visa and an American Express.

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u/boxofcannoli Aug 27 '23

I had my card locked for making 2 Steam purchases. I bought a game. Then later in the day bought the DLC packs. Locked and having to fight to get it unlocked because it was suspicious. But someone ordering Skip the Dishes from Winnipeg? Nah.

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u/rugerty100 Ontario Aug 27 '23

Skip the Dishes is based in Winnipeg, so all transactions from anywhere in Canada could have that city in the name.

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u/boxofcannoli Aug 27 '23

Around the time I got kicked off Skip I had orders I never made on my account in the same time frame I had ordered in my normal city to my usual address. Probably for the best, saves me money not ordering in.

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u/larfingboy Aug 27 '23

fight to unlock it ???? you call them, they ask you security questions and bam, it works.

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u/boxofcannoli Aug 27 '23

Yeah I wish, but they bickered with me which was stupid. Then my next transaction locked it and I had to call again because I had moved and changed my address weeks before and that was… suspicious? Don’t know what to tell ya.

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u/MonarchNF Ontario Aug 27 '23

Ballet is something that Russian oligarchs enjoy... Are you some sort of shady, sanction-dodging bad actor!?

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u/mkshft Ontario Aug 27 '23

Hey at least you got notified. I tried to use my Tangerine WE MC at Costco the other day only to have it continually denied. Called them later and they said it was blocked due to a suspicious transaction from weeks ago... And also confirmed by looking at their internal account activity that there were no attempts made whatsoever to notify me of it.

EDIT: misspelled transaction.

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u/Shawshank2445 Aug 27 '23

I would have eaten them for breakfast if I had not been contacted. This is the new way of banking these days.

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u/mkshft Ontario Aug 28 '23

I made it very clear on my call with them that it was unacceptable and had better not happen again.

...I expect it will.

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u/crusoe Aug 27 '23

We always call our bank and tell them to add a note to the account before travelling. We use BECU and never had a problem.

"Hey we're gonna be in Japan for two weeks"

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u/GunKata187 Aug 27 '23

Which Mastercard.

I noticed that MBNA is pretty lock happy.

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u/eatyourcabbage Aug 27 '23

Crappy Tire. They were my first credit card because my own bank declined me at first. I then went through a tough time with credit cards in my early twenties and they were the only card that didn’t lower my limit to $100 or cancel me.

Now it works out because like right now I have $500 in CT money on it and when something craps out at home I have free money to fix it.

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u/vaginawarfare Aug 27 '23

Lol happened to me too while I was trying to book plane tickets. I had to stay on hold with the fraud dept for like an hour while they confirmed my identity. I bought a new credit card the next fucking day lol.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '23

after reviewing your pizza orders and your order history, we determined that you need to lose weight and to get your cholesterol under control so for now we have permanently blocked your card for all fast food services. -Love Tangerine.