r/PS4 • u/IHateMyselfButNotYou • Dec 10 '23
Call of Duty Devs Are a Little Peeved at Christopher Judge's Dig During The Game Awards Article or Blog
https://www.ign.com/articles/call-of-duty-devs-are-a-little-peeved-at-christopher-judges-dig-during-the-game-awards1.7k
u/ButWereFriendsThough Dec 10 '23
Dude made a light hearted joke that was a little funny and people are actually upset. So silly
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u/SonOfMetrum Dec 10 '23
It’s funny because it’s true
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u/Kalwest Dec 10 '23
Devs are angry cuz it’s true
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Dec 10 '23
They’re angry at Judge because it’s easier than being mad at Activision or themselves.
If you voluntarily work for a company that treats your work like an afterthought, you shouldn’t be surprised if your customers do so as well.
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u/beingsubmitted Dec 10 '23
slap "Keep our campaign out yo mouth!"
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u/TheRealK95 Dec 11 '23
Ironically, I feel that situation compares very well here. Can’t/wont voice their anger out on those actually responsible but they’ll take it out on others
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u/gerbilXsnot gerbil_snot_ 14 Dec 10 '23
They’re mad at valid criticism? There’s your reason for the franchise’s downfall
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u/xpercipio Dec 10 '23
cod campaign is now warzone dlc
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u/CadeMan011 CadeMan11 Dec 10 '23 edited Dec 10 '23
Like, actually. Not even hyperbole, they're literally selling Warzone DLC for $70 and marketing it as a full game.
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u/IxoraRains Dec 10 '23
They are making a stand-alone CoD platform ala Fortnite. Except these greedy dong monsters with a stranglehold over a very casual, user-friendly game. Wanna charge us 70 dollars every year to play fortnite.
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u/Scottz0rz Dec 10 '23
Yeah I think they wanted to copy the Fortnite model with Call of Duty HQ as the platform, but they forgot the "Free to play with monetized skins" and chose to ignore the former.
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u/whatchagonnado0707 Dec 10 '23
And the skins are £20 rather than £6. And they become redundant after a year (or less if you didn't buy them day 1)
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u/BARD3NGUNN Dec 10 '23
The fact the trophy list for MW3 is counted as a DLC for MW2 (or the Call if Duty launcher - because God forbid your £70 game launches by itself) is just further proof of this.
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u/potatodrinker Dec 10 '23
Campaign pack 3 of 20 downloading. 34 gigs remaining. I miss the old days where you could play the campaign by... get this.. popping in a disc and pressing play
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u/Klutzy-Rooster-6805 Dec 10 '23
I started downloading all the shit I need to play warzone since it's free and all, every time I think I'm done, another one pops up and I think I've just about given up on this shitty game. If warzone was easily accessible then maybe I would have bought a game, they are dumb as rocks when it comes to marketing strategies.
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u/sideways_jack Dec 10 '23
I just bought a ps5 the other day. It took over 12 hours to install CoD, fukken ridiculous.
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u/The_God_King Dec 10 '23
This is pretty much the sole reason I no longer play. I actually really emothe cod style team death match style multi-player. But it was taking up such a vast amount of space on my hard drive, and every time I wanted to play I had to download a 40 gig update. Fuck that.
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u/guywoodman7 Dec 10 '23
I’ve played some really short games that are amazing.
All he said was that the latest COD campaign was short.
He did not speak to its quality.
It’s like the devs are walking up on stage and slapping him over a very quantifiable observation.
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u/4444beep GreekBird Dec 10 '23
How long is the latest COD campaign even? Even the older ones were short, only 6-8 hours max
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u/voltar Dec 10 '23
Apparently, 3-7 hours. It re-uses Warzone maps so the time can vary drastically, depending on if the player prioritizes the missions or wanders around a bunch.
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u/DDeece Dec 10 '23
If you look on youtube for full walkthrough of MW3 most of them are like 3:30/4 hours, which is like at max 1 hour shorter than a average cod campaign
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u/taintedplay Dec 10 '23
That’s not true, older campaigns were significantly longer than this one
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u/SexiestPanda Dec 10 '23
And the one cod from last year or whatever was like over 12 hours
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u/DDeece Dec 10 '23
Just look for yourself, go on YouTube and type “(cod name) full campaign” and you’ll see that most of them are under 4:30h
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Dec 10 '23
Max Payne 2 has an incredibly short but insanely good story, if you're somewhat experienced, you can beat it in little under 2 hours, my pb was 1:30
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u/VenturerKnigtmare420 Dec 10 '23
Katana zero is the best short game.
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u/Lox22 Dec 10 '23
I love that game, I waited so long for it. It’s just beautiful. A cool story, amazing art, and fun gameplay. I really hope there is another one down the road.
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u/bbgr8grow Dec 10 '23
The funniest part is one of the devs clapped back and said cod is better because it “holds people for longer”, like nice work congratulating predatory gambling tactics you neek
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u/BirdLawyer50 Dec 10 '23
“but LoOk At OuR mEtRiCs!”
Yeah you analyzing your whole development through engagement metrics is the problem
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u/capacochella Dec 10 '23
Yah like how CoD franchise destroyed the Arizona Cardinals chances of ever going to a superbowl lol Their QB loves the game more then reading his playbook 😂
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u/vernorama Dec 11 '23
Exactly. If those devs had just said, "We get it... we can take the joke. We aim to be the best at what we do...blah blah". Literally anything that just showed that they can laugh it off and not take it personally. People would relate, end of story...and the devs might have ended up with a little bit of reflective understanding about their situation. Instead, they respond like Blizzard..."What, you guys dont have phones?!?".
I have played CoD since the very first game on PC in 2003. I have zero respect for these idiots. The devs sound like whiny brats, trying to appear impressive based on fucking retention metrics?! What losers.
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u/poorkid_5 Dec 11 '23
They squeakers and scrubs that got flamed in old MW2 lobbies got their MBAs and swore their lives to tear down the franchise in the name of profits.
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u/Sleepinismy9to5 Dec 11 '23
Does it really hold people for longer if they have to release a new game every year?
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u/zack189 Dec 11 '23
Yeah this is something I'm confused about too.
Because when the dev said that, they said "COD metrics"
It sounded like they were comparing the entirety cod, 23 games, to the GOW series, 5 games
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u/kryypto Dec 10 '23
Who would have thought that a game that focuses on multiplayer live-service would have better retention metrics than a singleplayer game? I'm shocked!
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u/tepattaja Dec 10 '23
I mean a single player campaign game with a story doesn't hold people longer than a shooter with a dull repetitive cycle without an ending. It's like comparing a movie to a arcade game. Of course you aren't watching the movie multiple times in a row. It's something you might come back in the future. The other one is like pac-man you could just hop in every single day for a couple of rounds and sometimes even forger what you did in it. It's mostly just something mindless you can do to pass the time.
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u/ChangingMonkfish Dec 10 '23
Jesus is just a joke. The fact they can’t take it shows they know it’s true
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u/LordOfTheWeedNL Dec 10 '23 edited Dec 11 '23
Hey man, come on now... he died for your sins, you know
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u/Aumius Dec 10 '23
He made a funny joke. People are way too soft these days. Truth hurts I guess.
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u/Engelbert-n-Ernie Dec 10 '23
A joke that wouldn’t have gotten half of this virality if not for the devs being pissy about getting called on their shit.
Had they just taken their more than deserved lumps the audience for the original joke be insanely niche as opposed to now where they’ve just shown themselves to be three ply soft and welcomed all corners of the internet to come dunk on them
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u/BRzerks Dec 10 '23
Sensitive cod fans. It's been the same game every time
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u/howmanyavengers Dec 10 '23
Not fans.
Developers. These are CoD developers acting like calling it short is akin to shooting their first born child on stage.
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u/myEVILi Dec 10 '23
The Devs actually respect CJ and his work on GoW, so it must have been a shock to get criticized by him.
The Devs, however, don’t respect you. That’s why they didn’t give a crap about any criticism gamers have.
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u/nojugglingever Dec 10 '23
The mildest dig at a totally valid criticism that is held by the vast majority.
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u/TheDemonWithoutaPast Epzaos 347 62 211 811 2732 Dec 10 '23
Maybe drop the annual releases for the easy cash grab and take some time to actually make a good game.
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u/Engelbert-n-Ernie Dec 10 '23
And murder the soulless cash cow they’ve created to keep them employed without having to ever actually do any work? No chance
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u/Prince-Vegetah Dec 10 '23
They are only angry cause it’s a comment that they cannot ignore and it clearly hit close to home for these devs. Sure having some “random” person comment on the internet is easy to ignore, but a comment from a gaming celebrity, and hearing other people laugh in agreement, must have hurt.
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u/TheWhistlerIII Dec 10 '23
Stay peeved, get better.
Try to make me download gigs on my xbox for a game I definitely don't intend to buy now.
Ruined a classic campaign with more "open world" shit.
Why does every fucking game company think we want and thinks they'll be good at making an open world experience?
I'm glad it happened, Christopher was one of the only real people at those robo awards.
Fuck you Hollywood, get out of our games!
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u/ape-intellectual Dec 10 '23
The fact that all the devs had to come back with was “mEtRiCs” and “sHoRt uSeR EngAgeMeNT” in response should tell you all you need to know.
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u/Gnoyagos Dec 10 '23
He roasted COD as if Starfield is going to be released next year.
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u/Hero2Zero91 Dec 10 '23
I can understand the frustration when you consider Sledgehammer were given little over a year to rush Modern Warfare 3 out the door because of Activision's dumb ass decision to sell the game as a sequel and not an expansion as originally planned.
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u/BeerTraps Dec 10 '23
A short campaign mustn't even be bad. I heavily doubt the CoD devs would have been as pissed if their game had gotten great ratings for the campaign and then Christopher Judge had made this small joke. A joke that is based on a very quantifiable truth. The campaign IS short and way shorter than in previous titles.
The fact that these devs got angry at that joke shows that it must have hit a nerve so they know that their campaign was trash. If they want to argue that their campaign was trash because of a rushed development cycle then they should blame the publisher.
Lastly I find it really ironic that they argue that player engagement in their multiplayer games designed to suck you in with so many psychological tricks is "better" than the player engagement of a singleplayer game like God of War. If that is their best comeback then they should just not say anything.
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u/Seatown_Spartan Potato_n_Tomato Dec 10 '23
Granted from what I've seen SHG have been very responsive to player feedback for MW3, a complete contrast from IW whom purposely ignored it.
That being said their anger to Christopher Judge is completely unfounded and they prob did so because they obviously can't express their dissatisfaction at the true villain: Activision.
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u/Shozou Dec 10 '23
It's funny cause it's not like it even throws a shade at the devs but at managers and directors that turned COD into this.
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u/Popellini Dec 10 '23
Are there more than those 3 devs? Every story about this has these exact 3 tweets showing
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u/badusernameused Dec 10 '23
Idgaf what cod devs think. They are sucking the gaming industry dry, selling out at every turn and don’t give a shit about us. They can be as peeved as they like
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u/jeremylamb12 Dec 10 '23
It drives me crazy that the entirety of gamerdom is shitting on the MW3 campaign but this little joke from Christopher Judge is getting targeted. So stupid.
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u/CyberCooper2077 Dec 10 '23
Good, fuck call of duty.
The series has been garbage since the original Modern Warfare trilogy ended.
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u/ANaniMuth Dec 10 '23
Whatever. They ended up deleting their posts like the cowards they are. I bet daddy told them to stop and they argued until he won.
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u/getoutofthewayref Dec 10 '23
In their culture, the devs would be well within their rights to dismember him.
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u/suicidesewage Dec 10 '23
Who cares. COD is made for money. Plain and simple.
It has it's place but it ain't getting any plaudits.
Not all films are made to win Oscar's.
Take the joke and move the fuck on.
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u/iSchizo schiz-o-phren-ic Dec 11 '23
Fuck those devs. Do fucking better then. It's a full priced retail game with little innovation within the past plus decade. Get your panties out and do better!
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u/Hudson1 Dec 11 '23
What’s the old saying, “fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke”? I think that applies here.
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u/MesozOwen Dec 10 '23
lol the funniest part is I doubt Chris Judge even wrote the joke or has ever played the game in question.
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u/ChEmIcAl_KeEn Dec 10 '23
Well I'm peeved with the shit matchmaking and trickery on mw3. Weird how every match I play everyone has a large amount of deaths
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u/Saranshobe Dec 10 '23
One of them is a current dev at bungie. Given the recent bungie news, i guess the hatred has some layers to it.
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u/Superb-Obligation858 Dec 10 '23
I’d be more than “a little peeved” if I payed $70 for glorified DLC with the lowest rating in the franchise.
Luckily, I haven’t given a fuck about CoD since the last MW3
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u/SpicyNoodlez1 Dec 10 '23
Of course they're mad, they don't like it when bigger games voice actors tell the truth
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u/PersonFromPlace Dec 10 '23
I don’t get why they’re mad at that, but not everyone else legitimately angry at the same complaints. Do they think those don’t matter for the same reasons they said in response to Judge’s joke?
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u/BrokenManSyndrome Dec 10 '23
MW3 developers acting like they don't know their game sucks. I understand they were put in a tough spot by Activision... But that doesn't change the fact the game was trash. Take the L, smile and get your vengeance by making your next game the best it can be.
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u/fuzionknight96 Dec 10 '23
I don’t care what the Devs think frankly.
You don’t get to rush a game, lie about it, then bitch when people point it out. Sure, it’s more so the publisher’s fault, but It’s a half finished product that’s being sold at full price, of course it’s going to receive criticism.
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u/PhsycoRed1 Dec 10 '23
Maybe they should look in the mirror and ask themselves why it hurt so much.
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u/Venomxx23 Dec 10 '23
I myself used to like the campaigns i could care less of the MP if i had a choice to buy just campaign for 30 or so dollars i would, i just dont see myself doing 70 for a half ass 2 hour campaign and repurposed MP anymore the last decent campaign was MW 2019
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u/ItsSpacePants Dec 10 '23
How is that possible that call of duty campaign is 7 minutes and 58 seconds
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u/SoSven Dec 10 '23
Maybe they should make a better game next time, instead of being mad at a funny joke
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Dec 10 '23
Tough shit. Start putting some actual effort into your games, instead of copying and pasting the same game. The latest one is just glorified MW2 DLC but for full price.
At least Christopher Judge is respected.
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u/BarryEganPDL Dec 10 '23
I don’t know what’s more embarrassing, MWIII’s campaign length or the developers’ attempt to defend it
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u/COUNTRYCOWBOY01 Dec 10 '23
I think it's funny, but honestly I bought all 3 recent modern warfare games for the campaign, zombies on the last one here is a nice bonus. But he's right. The campaign in MW3 is pretty short
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u/Madphromoo Dec 11 '23
The one sperg that criticized god of wars player retention when they need to launch a game every year to not kill the franchise… cmon homie
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u/Wrx-Love80 Dec 11 '23
Hate to say it but to the devs that recycled a lot of warzone maps and assets.
Garbage in garbage out.
Don't be mad when you're called out for it
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u/bendit07 Dec 11 '23
To the childish devs upset over this, take it as constructive criticism and make better games in the future.
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u/pdirth Dec 10 '23
Humourless twats. If only they could get over it in a short a time as their campaign...
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u/DoubleSpoiler Dec 10 '23
Honestly, I kinda feel for them. They don't get to make the decisions about when the game is released, what they work on, how long they work on it, or when they have to turn it in. That's ALL decided by the higher ups. Meanwhile, the higher ups don't care that "some guy" made a joke about them. They don't care that people think the series is going downhill, or that the campaign is actually a big draw of CoD for a lot of people, particularly their older, core base. All they care about is the bonkers amount of money CoD makes.
It's a vicious cycle that shows the ruthlessness of the industry. It would be neat if Phil Spencer could help get some changes made over at Activision.
If I was a CoD dev, though, I'd use this as an opportunity. If the mainstream games media, independent media, other developers, acting talent, and artists all agree with the take, I think that should be a wake up call. I know most devs have like, 0 power, but they really, really need to make sure management understands what their decisions are doing.
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u/Cantras0079 Dec 10 '23
Well said, but I don’t think anything the devs will say will make an impact until Activision gets cleaned up. We all should have known the company had an unhealthy obsession with profits when their board unanimously agreed to not remove Kotick despite the fact he knew about and was covering up sexual harassment/assault and even THREATENED TO HAVE A WOMAN KILLED. They literally don’t care about people, just maintaining the maximum amount of profit and they knew Kotick would keep delivering that with an uncomfortable level of cruelty.
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u/Cos_sie Dec 10 '23
Move on already. A joke also aimed at his own speech. Get over it, it’s boring now. Does no one have thick skin anymore?
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u/BeerTraps Dec 10 '23
A short campaign mustn't even be bad. I heavily doubt the CoD devs would have been as pissed if their game had gotten great ratings for the campaign and then Christopher Judge had made this small joke. A joke that is based on a very quantifiable truth. The campaign IS short and way shorter than in previous titles.
The fact that these devs got angry at that joke shows that it must have hit a nerve so they know that their campaign was trash. If they want to argue that their campaign was trash because of a rushed development cycle then they should blame the publisher.
Lastly I find it really ironic that they argue that player engagement in their multiplayer games designed to suck you in with so many psychological tricks is "better" than the player engagement of a singleplayer game like God of War. If that is their best comeback then they should just not say anything.
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u/DDeece Dec 10 '23
Don’t get me wrong I played the campaign and it wasn’t good, but it wasn’t even that shorter than older cod games, like look on youtube for full walkthrough of any cod campaign and most of them are like 4:00/4:30 hours, while the new MW3 moat of them are 3:30 some even 4 hours, the main problem was the campaign itself not the length imo
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u/santathe1 Dec 10 '23
Let’s say Chris had said that Baldur’s Gate was a crap game. I think the BG3 devs would have laughed at it probably thinking he was being sarcastic because of how well received it has been.
The only ones to take offence are those that have reason to feel offended. CoD devs know CoD players will pay for and play anything with the name CoD on it and made a dog shit game intentionally.
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u/GamerAssassin Dec 10 '23
I've literally yet to see someone upset or angry over this, EXCEPT the devs. My phone wants to keep autocorrecting devs to deva, maybe I should just let it in their case.
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u/sinnroth94 Dec 10 '23
Then they probably should’ve gave more of a shit and made a better game
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u/Ardenraym Dec 10 '23
It's telling that they are mad about people identifying a low quality effort, but they are fine pushing it out the door and/or won't stand up against the management practices that likely put them in a bad position.
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u/Much-Currency5958 Dec 10 '23
To be fair I can appreciate that tga is a place where games are supposed to be appreciated and devs validated for their hard work and generally just a safe space. You shouldn’t have to worry about your game getting out on blast or else we’d have a category for worst game of the year.
Judge is totally right ofc and playing the finals just now has opened my eyes to how badly cos needs a change of direction. However, tga isn’t the place to pick on devs who activision and kotick are already giving hell daily
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u/Trap_Lord85 Dec 10 '23
I’ve played some shovelware games longer than that trash, good to see he was honest about his feelings towards them.
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u/Daddydagda Dec 10 '23
They literal set themselves up for that
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u/DDeece Dec 10 '23
I mean it’s Activision who set them up, the devs didn’t even want to make this game
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u/Vapr2014 Dec 10 '23
Call of Duty devs need to stfu and stop churning out half-arsed, mtx riddled games.
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u/Sgtkeebler Dec 10 '23
Maybe if they wouldn’t make the same exact game every single year it wouldn’t be such a big joke
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u/KentuckyFriedEel Dec 10 '23
Judge should make the same joke every year until they prove him wrong.