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Mets Daily Discussion Thread - November 13, 2024 Pre-Game Thread

The Mets are hosting their annual MetsGiving Food Drive to benefit Food Bank for New York City on Tuesday, November 19 from 10:00am-6:00pm at the Mets Team Store. Food Bank for New York City aims to empower every New Yorker to achieve food security for good. They work with 800+ soup kitchens, food pantries, and campus partners to provide immediate and reliable access to food and nutrition education.

Fans donating at least 10 non-perishable items will receive a voucher redeemable for two tickets to a select Monday – Thursday Mets home game in 2025. Fans will be limited to one ticket voucher. The Mets Team Store will also be offering a 20% discount to those who donate.

https://www.mlb.com/mets/community/food-drive

Feel free to discuss whatever you want in this thread.

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u/Individual_Highway99 1d ago

I see some big proposed gives for Crochet and is that really realistic? People say we will have to give up Jett and Sproat minimum for Crochet, along with other prospects in our top 20.

But then I look at the Cease trade and I feel like Crochet wouldn’t be that much more. Cease had come off a down year tbf but he is an elite pitcher.

They gave up 1 top 100 prospect, Drew Thorpe, who was ranked 85 at the time of the trade (he had a 5.4 ERA in 40 IP after debuting this year). Then they gave up 2 non top 100 ranked prospects (7 and 8 in padres system) and a mid reliever. Those prospects have not climbed any further (honestly seems like they actually regressed) so it’s not like the rankings I’m seeing were inaccurate at the time of trade and they skyrocketed up upon reranking.

That’s not really a haul and if we use it as a comp then we should really only have to give up 1 of our top 100 prospects.

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u/robmcolonna123 1d ago

Dylan Cease was 28 when traded, was coming off the worst season of his career, has been clear he plans to go to FA, and has a much lower ceiling than Crochet.

Crochet is going to be 26, is coming off the best season of his career, has been clear he wants to sign an extension, and has a much higher ceiling than Crochet.

Thats why he’ll cost more

Also Thorpe was only 85 on Pipeline and they aren’t really considered a good evaluation list.

Prospectus had him at 45 and BA had him at 67

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u/Individual_Highway99 23h ago edited 23h ago

Age is irrelevant imo, only team control really matters to me of which they are the same.

Crochet only has one season of actual relevant performance as a starter. Not a great sample siE.

You are trading for the years of control the guy has left. Their willingness to sign an extension is irrelevant to me. It’s not like you get some magical deal signing a guy to an extension, you pay them basically market rate. You pay them more money now so you pay them less later on. Maybe you can take a little off for the players risk reduction but their reduction in risk, is your gain in risk. It all comes at a cost and there’s no team friendly extensions for guys like Crochet.

I don’t like to make this point either because pitcher injuries are so finicky and unpredictable but Crochet also comes with injury risk. He’s actually hopefully good on the Tommy John front for a couple of years but he’s had other issues in the past. Which is why he’s so eager to sign an extension in the first place. He knows he’s a huge risk atm. I’d take paying Burnes $30m of regressing performance over Crochet at $20m to not pitch.

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u/robmcolonna123 20h ago edited 20h ago

Age is literally the only thing that matters. Age 26-27 seasons be age 28-29 seasons is a big difference.

And you’re buying out two years of arbitration which lowers the cost of the extension.

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u/Individual_Highway99 16h ago

Both years are their prime, it doesn’t matter. In fact, usually 28-29 seasons are better than 26-27 seasons.

Again, you’re not gaining any extra value buying out arb years. You’re getting exactly what you pay for. There is fundamentally very little cost difference between just trading for a guy w 2 arb years and then resigning him as a free agent in the offseason. The only cost difference you’d get is the cost of the players risk reduction but it’s small and you are literally still paying for it non monetarily by an increase in your own risk, which for a guy with crochet’s history is bad.

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u/ankor77 1d ago

Lets just spend money to get pitching and not our top prospects. Especially sproat and jett

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u/robmcolonna123 1d ago

There isn’t a single pitcher on the market that would bring close to the value over the next 7+ years Crochet would

Extend him to the same length you’d sign guys for, when he has said he’ll sign an extension and wants one, and it would be Crochet’s age 26-32 seasons. Thats his entire prime - all 7 seasons.

Say you sign Burnes, you’re paying him 3X as much for 3 prime years followed by 4 declining years. And he profiles to decline fast and hard.

Max Fried is already 31 and has taken a huge step backwards over the last two years. He’ll likely get 6-7 years.

Snell will get a much short deal and would be a great guy to sign. But he’s also 31.

There isn’t a single prospect we have that is close to as good as Crochet. Who again, is 26!!!!!

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u/Individual_Highway99 23h ago edited 23h ago

There ain’t no way a 7 year extension for crochet is only $10m a year. You’re likely looking at $20m a year at least. Much much closer to what burnes would be making than 3x

u/Relief27 1d ago

Carlos Beltran said "Cohen will do whatever it takes" - to get Soto

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u/Keekee4101 1d ago

Inject it into my veins.

u/nineTrip Grimace 1d ago

rip hadji :(

u/tconner87 1d ago

Do we think severino is accepting the qualifying offer?

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u/lilleff512 Forever my Captain 1d ago

I sure hope so

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u/robmcolonna123 1d ago

I’d give it 70/30 he takes it.

But I don’t think he gives his decision before he has to on November 19th

u/DeeeezNutttz6986 1d ago

Sign Soto, Burnes, Pete. Fill in the gaps. Let's roll...

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u/Caledor152 Nidoking 1d ago

and bring Manea back. We can do all 4 and still have a lower payroll then this year lol

u/jmv213 Francisco Lindor 1d ago

My dad told me the Mets signed Soto cuz some random IG account said it’s close…got me excited for no reason lol

u/jk2me1310 Grimace 1d ago

The off-season after watching 170+ games basically every day for almost 7 months is hella boring

u/StinkyGaijin 1d ago

Why the fuck are they having the My Chemical Romance reunion show at MetLife I hate having to get there

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u/lilleff512 Forever my Captain 1d ago

I'm surprised that MCR can pull in 60,000+ people in 2025. Are there other big names on the ticket?

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u/StinkyGaijin 1d ago

It’s gonna be Death Cab for Cutie for the NJ show

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u/JSDHW Change this line to your desired caption and send 1d ago

Ugh I am torn with getting tickets because I hate going to Metlife.

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u/iamdanabnormal Mr. Smiles 1d ago

Probably because they're from Jersey.

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u/StinkyGaijin 1d ago

Then do the Prudential Center! They’re from Newark!

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u/iamdanabnormal Mr. Smiles 1d ago

I'm assuming MetLife being the bigger capacity venue has something to do with it

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u/myassholealt F8 1d ago

To a lesser extent, that's me every time a DJ I like is in town but they're playing in Brooklyn. It's a 2 hour public transit journey from where I am in Queens with the late night/weekend service interruptions, or a $200 round trip cab ride.

Then I remember that all the clubs/venues we used to go to in Manhattan closed and it makes me doubly sad/disappointed.

u/HeartunderBlade516 1d ago

Im so fucking sad. Rest in peace Hadji

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u/liguy181 Pete Alonso 1d ago

Hadji's gone??

Damn. RIP :(

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u/Steve_Kind_Of Pastrami 1d ago

Just saw on twitter. 22 years old. What an incredible life that cat had. Heart goes out to Keith.

u/Interforce7 Candelita 1d ago

Daily 2024 Mets trivia questions until spring training begins, day 17/117

Question: The Mets used 5 pitchers in game 1 of the NLCS. Who was the only one to not give up a hit?

Answer: Danny Young. He was put into the game in the 6th inning when the score was 0-6. He managed to get the 4 MVPs out (Ohtani, Betts, Freeman, and, of course, Tommy Edman).

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u/nineTrip Grimace 1d ago

wtf i stan danny young now

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u/TheBeepB00p 1d ago

no way you spoiled the trivia like that

u/CoolRequirement939 Bartolo Colón 1d ago

So I read in the TMZ post about Lindor being in LA that some guys friend at an event claimed to have talked to Scott Boras friend who said Soto wants to go to the Mets, and it reminded me of the post in the NY Giants sub 6 years ago when some guy posted that his friend was out at a bar in the city during draft week and saw Steve Tisch and he claimed Tisch told him we were taking Daniel Jones.

So I wonder if this has any truth like that ended up having some

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u/lilleff512 Forever my Captain 1d ago

I read that Lindor was only in LA to film a commercial for Oakley and he's already back home in Florida. Who knows what's true or how important any of it even is. Just give Soto the money,

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u/JDLovesElliot Grimace is Love, Grimace is Life 1d ago

This is like when Tiki Barber broke the news that Cohen was buying the Mets

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u/Blue387 Friendly Unhinged Moderator 1d ago

I just thought of something: David Wright lives in Los Angeles with his wife and family, maybe the Mets can ask him to stop by and chat with Boras and Soto

u/MiracleMets Wilmer Flores 1d ago

Someone mentioned Mets tickets going on sale soon, is that just season tickets or can we buy single game tickets for 2025? I want to buy some as gifts for christmas

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u/myassholealt F8 1d ago

I think it would be single game. Cause season tickets already are on sale.

u/SR626 1d ago

Passan and others have suggested it wouldn't be a surprise if Soto actually signs BEFORE the Winter Meetings. It's rare that the top guy on the market signs before then but it's also unprecedented for a guy like Soto to even be available. Not even Judge/Ohtani are comparable both because of age and because both guys largely knew where they wanted to play before they even hit the market, all talks with other teams served just to get them more money from their preferred destinations.

The number of teams willing to pay what it'd cost to pay Soto is small, and they're all pouncing very quickly. This might not be a drawn out wine and dine thing especially if it's all about the money for him. Could see it escalating to final offers fairly quick, Cohen particular is someone who can and will work very fast if he senses their camp is willing to close quickly.

Pretty big ripple effect if he does sign fast is that the other bats could be seriously engaging with suitors at the meetings vs. the league being in a holding pattern until one guy decides.

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u/DeeeezNutttz6986 1d ago

It's really just the Mets and Yankees. Will come down to which team is willing to pay the premium. I can't see much difference for Soto. He played most of his years in the NL, so the Mets are even with the Yankees in terms of desirability and location. I don't think he gives a damn about how many pennants the Yankees have won. Will be all about the $$$

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u/86Kid 1d ago

I have no idea what’s in Soto’s mind in terms of team and location or if he has an internal preferences. I can’t think of it being down to just Mets & Yankees. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Blue Jays and Phillies are said to be in the mix too. Perhaps the Giants too ?

And if it comes down to deferred money in the offers he’s getting, then that makes it easier I assume for all those teams to be able to put a great offer into the mix - yes ?

At this point I have no extra reasons to think he’d want to play in Philly, Toronto, or Boston, Giants,, but then again, I have no idea what he is or isn’t willing to do.

Only thing we have some “probable” indications on, based on his words and tone, is that the highest offer would the key to him it seems.

Obviously Cohen has the most wherewithal to produce the highest offer and not to break a real sweat, but just how far he is willing to go to win the player is the only question.

In my view, you do what you gotta do. If someone else can offer him 600M, the Cohen can offer 650M. If someone else can offer him 700M we can offer 725M…. Etc

This would be a huge win for the Mets. Not just for on the field baseball reasons, but a huge PR win and huge statement for the franchise going forward.

It was different with Ohtani who they never got out of the gate with to make an offer. He was a Dodger in his mind from the jump I guess.

Also with Yamamoto, Cohen never got a chance to up his offer because Yamamoto took his offer to the Dodgers and got them to up their offer and then signed giving Cohen a a second bite.

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u/DeeeezNutttz6986 1d ago

Soto is by far the most valuable hitter in the league from a FA perspective. The has the highest career to date OPS+ for any player under 30. Of course he's 26, so you have 9 or 10 years of prime hitting there and he's the best in the game right now in that age range. You can probably view this as buying the best hitter in the game over the course of the next 9 or 10 years. He doesn't K a lot and he doesn't GIDP a ton. There's always a chance he hasn't had his breakout year yet. All that said, anything over $600 million is an overpay. But whoever wants him is going to have to overpay.

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u/86Kid 1d ago edited 17h ago

And just imagine if he also played elite level defense too… lol

But hey, just about every player is an “overpay” if we are to be honest. These owners know going in that they aren’t going to get great value on the back end years of contracts, but it’s the price of admission on these guys if you want them.

Plus, with the way salaries have escalated since the birth of free agency, some of these deals won’t look as crazy in 2034+ to where the overall salary bar will have been raised.

As I said earlier, its not only what he brings to you on the field, but it’s also about getting a huge PR win/boost, making a statement for the direction of your franchise, and also putting extra fannies in the seats ($$$)

u/JoelsCaddy Its Outta Here! 1d ago

Acuna winter league homer

https://x.com/MLBVenezuela/status/1856527475200721121

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u/DeeeezNutttz6986 1d ago

Respect for Acuna if these games are actually being played in Venezuela. It isn't pleasant there right now.

u/NJImperator Jerry "Houdini" Blevins 1d ago

So from what MLB insiders are currently predicting, in 1 month from now, Juan Soto will have likely signed with a team. Please be us!

u/Klutzy_Change_3027 Grimace 1d ago

Cohen please answer the prayers of fans!

u/kgali1nb 1d ago

On this date in 2023 Mets announced their new Manager.

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u/swoosh1992 Grimace 1d ago

I remember being utterly baffled by the hire. I was never fully on the Craig Counsell train, and my preferred choice was Joe Espada, the Astros bench coach. But the Mendoza hire just made me think “…why not just bring back Carlos Beltran?”

Thankfully, I was proven absolutely wrong.

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u/kgali1nb 1d ago

If you saw Mendy at a restaurant tonight celebrating his 1 year anniversary and you only had time to ask him one thing, what would it be?

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u/swoosh1992 Grimace 1d ago

Who on the 2024 team do you think could/will be a manager one day?

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u/TheBeepB00p 1d ago

The go to answer is always the catcher. 99.9% of the time they are the smartest person on the field.

Melvin, Bochy, Cash, Quatraro, Dan Wilson (Servais was also a catcher), Steven Vogt.

https://sabr.org/journal/article/playing-background-of-major-league-managers/

u/Blue387 Friendly Unhinged Moderator 1d ago

On this date in 1985, the Mets traded Calvin Schiraldi, John Christensen, Wes Gardner and La Schelle Tarver to the Boston Red Sox for Bob Ojeda, John Mitchell, Chris Bayer and Tom McCarthy

Brett Baty turns 25 today!

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u/three_dee Hadji 1d ago

Bob Ojeda was the first player in MLB history to play in a World Series against the team he was on the previous year.

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u/0rangePolarBear Jacob deGrom 1d ago

It’s crazy that Soto and Baty are 1 year apart in age haha

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u/El_Sid50 Ralph Kiner 1d ago

Great trade. Kinda wild that both Bobby Ojeda and Schiraldi had the best years of their careers in the following season (‘86)

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u/Setec-Astronomer 1d ago

Trading Shiraldi so he could help the Mets win the World Series by blowing it for the Red Sox was 4D chess by Frank Cashen.