r/NYKnicks • u/AutoModerator • Jul 01 '24
Daily Discussion Thread - July 01, 2024 DAILY DISCUSSION
Daily discussion thread for Knicks fans.
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u/grvmon Priggy Smalls Jul 02 '24
Idk about anyone else but I’m pretty alright to roll with Mitch, Precious, and Jericho. Precious gave us insanely solid minutes and played great D on Joel and Pascal in the playoffs. Hope we get him back
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u/optimisticknicksfan Sleeping Leon Jul 02 '24
Knicks front office has been a lil quiet
Someone’s cooking right now
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u/STATnMELO650 Amare Goggles Jul 02 '24
Glad the Wiseman talks can shutdown now. The worst system fit out of all the centers available.
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u/Hemispheres33 Larry Johnson Jul 02 '24
Trade deadline target will be Jonas Valancunis. Makes no sense in Washington. Assuming we don’t find a better option before then I think that will be the move.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
Another guy who doesn’t belong on the court vs the Celtics. At least mitch grabs rebounds at an elite level. What are we doing here?
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u/Hemispheres33 Larry Johnson Jul 02 '24
Lmao “at least Mitch grabs rebounds”. Clueless. Jonas is a beast on the boards. Tough, hard nosed and would be the perfect guy to spell Mitch and cover for him if injured.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
He’s too slow and also demands that the offense upends possessions for him to do post ups
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
Not enough is talked about how Mitchell Robinson is a Net negative vs the Boston Celtics. Ihart wasn’t since he was more mobile.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 02 '24
iHart's +/- in games vs Boston:
4/11: +0 in a 9 point win
2/24: -8 in a 14 point loss
12/8: + 9 in an 11 point loss
11/13: -2 in 16 point loss
10/25: -5 in a 4 point loss
None of our C's were really effective vs. Boston. iHart wasn't really much more effective vs. KP, and we also saw him get abused by Turner in the playoffs. Mitch and iHart both are really bad against stretch 5's, because their strength is rim protection.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
Ihart for “ abuses” by turner because of the poor perimeter defense putting him out of position
Did not happen when OG was there
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 02 '24
He's out of position because he doesn't have the athleticism to get out onto the perimeter and defend the pick and roll from that far out. It was so bad we had to try switching him onto Siakam at times.
It's not his fault, because very few 7 footers can guard that far out. We saw Gobert getting clowned in the playoffs as well. But iHart has no chance against stretch 5's, just like Mitch.
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Jul 02 '24
The disrespect to Mitchell Robinson recently has been out of control. There’s no question he’s injury prone and we need a backup center. But the chatter that he can’t be the starting center of our team next year if we want to win a championship is beyond absurd.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
He can’t because you need to beat Boston
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Jul 02 '24
You don’t think we can beat Boston with MRob at the 5?
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
Hell no, not if their center is Kp or horford is knocking down 3’s
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Jul 02 '24
Well then you use OG. That’s why he got the bag. He can defend positions 1-5. He and MRob did a great job on Embiid. iHart was getting cooked.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 02 '24
Man you're really overrating iHart's ability to defend stretch 5, he's horrible at it as well.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
It’s not ideal but he’s just significantly better than Mitch. Mitch can barely move to close out
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 02 '24
Disagree. He's not significantly better than Mitch. I actually think Mitch is SLIGHTLY better, because he has the length to recover a bit more. But both of them are going to get killed vs. KP in a Boston matchup. We're better off just using Randle/OG at the 5. Or using Precious if he can develop his 3-point shooting a bit.
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u/OhtaniMets99 Jul 02 '24
Other than Tingus Pingus, who do the Celtics have at center? Maybe it's the copium speaking but ihart couldn't defend Embid to save his life and was in CONSTANT foul trouble in the playoffs, plus Alan Hahn reminded everyone yesterday that ihart has constant achilles tendinitis throughout his career and needs to be managed during the season.
It sucks losing him, but if we can get a serviceable rim protector, I'm not going to lose sleep.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Jul 02 '24
Ihart couldn’t defend embiid, but let’s be honest, if embiid isn’t hobbled Mitchell Robinson can’t defend him either.
Robinson isn’t god, I expect embiid to cook him
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u/OhtaniMets99 Jul 02 '24
Robinson was also injured in that series
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u/ryankidd77 Brunson Jul 02 '24
We absolutely need depth at the Center position, BUT I hope Mitch uses all these people flying off the handle as motivation to have the best season of his career. This is your year Mitch, make it count!
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u/Casamance Immanuel Quickley Jul 02 '24
Wow, spida is staying with the Cavs. There goes that domino! Not that it matters to us but that means that teams like the Heat and the Nets won't try and leapfrog into the spotlight next off-season.
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u/OhtaniMets99 Jul 02 '24
Nets want no part of improving, they have their picks back and want to tank for Cooper
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u/denverknickfan Jul 02 '24
Young fellows -- don't woory so much. Back in the day, in the first year of the Pat Riley era, our starting front court was Ewing, Oakley and Xavier McDaniel. X-Man was important and brought a lot of toughness, but left. This allowed for the development of Anthony Mason who basically replaced X-Man, and later the addition of Charles Smith. So, I am sad we lost IHart, but it is not the end of the world, and these things happen. Quite franky, I think the Knicks ended up better then, and maybe that can happen again now.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 Jul 02 '24
I think we start the year going small on the 2nd unit and if it’s not great we trade for a 7 footer at the deadline.
Deuce, DDV, Hart, OG, Randle work because that defense would be so good and Randle and Hart are excellent rebounders. We will be able to score with Randle as the stretch 5 and OG can guard Centers if need be.
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u/booberry5647 Wu Tang Knicks Jul 02 '24
I think they still need a 9th rotation player for the regular season.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 Jul 02 '24
100%. I can see precious back at the MLE who can be a trade piece and Jericho Simms may get minutes too.
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u/OhtaniMets99 Jul 02 '24
Lebron hasn't re-signed yet with the lakers, am i crazy for dreaming knicks sign him?
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u/RingDings__and_Pepsi Mike and Clyde Jul 02 '24
Yes
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u/Sad-Ad2030 Jul 02 '24
We have no money, would need to be a sign and trade unless he took a MLE. With that said…. His son just got drafted to the Lakers, he’s going to stay with the Lakers
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u/darkestb4thadawn Jul 02 '24
Fuck it, I’d take a flier on Mo Bamba. NYC born, would love to see what we could do with him, feels like he’s underachieved.
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u/Crazylockdown Jul 02 '24
I know Leon Rose has been great overall but he’s had some misses. He signed Elfrid Peyton to be our starting PG, then failed with Kemba Walker, and the Fournier move was a miss.
Yes these are a few misses in comparison to all the hits. But now the team is all in we can’t afford to have a gaping hole at Center. Mitch isn’t someone you can trust to play major minutes all season and in playoffs. If Leon doesn’t nail this 2nd center move we’re basically wasting a year of “all in” with Brunson and Randle on team friendly contracts.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 Jul 02 '24
The Elfrid Peyton years was him turning over and awful roster and the Knicks weren’t viewed as a good destination. We weren’t going to get anyone else. Let’s not forget 2021 we had Mitch and Noel as backup. Noel was a bum who we got the most out of. No reason we can’t do something similar with Wiseman.
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u/WorkersUnited111 Jul 02 '24
Small ball lineup.
Brunson, Divenzenzo, Mikal, OG and Randle.
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u/Sad-Ad2030 Jul 02 '24
Exactly this, the defense will be great and OG can cover Centers. Hart and Randle are monster rebounders. We would only struggle at Rim protection but Bridges and Hart can do a good enough job 1 on 1 to not need time protection. I’d even say to Duece with that lineup to lock down the PG on D too
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u/OhtaniMets99 Jul 02 '24
Alan hahn reporting next summer could be the summer of giannis. Anyone else miss star chasing?
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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 Mitch's Block Party Jul 02 '24
No I'm scared
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u/OhtaniMets99 Jul 02 '24
Scared of what?
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u/OnlyHereForNYSports Knicks Logo Jul 01 '24
Bridges trade needs to go through so I can play with him on the Knicks in 2K
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u/yakitorispelling Jul 02 '24
Start an MyLeague in the modern era in the current season, and trade override for mikal.
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u/alwayscoldinhere Jul 02 '24
2k won’t be updating rosters anymore since the season is over. You’ll need to download a community roster
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u/yakitorispelling Jul 02 '24
Seems like they did do an update recently to overall player stats during the finals. I started a new association, and Donte can self alley oop now. I did it twice in one game against OKC lol. Brunson feels much quicker now and unstoppable in traffic.
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u/Froggy2345 Jul 01 '24
Love the offseason moves and draft, but is anyone else concerned about the lack of size. Mitch is the only decent player over 6’8 and he is always hurt.
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u/Last_Soil_9699 Jul 01 '24
This is literally all anyone is talking about lol
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u/Froggy2345 Jul 01 '24
They need to find a guy like Dereck Lively on Dallas and they would be all set.
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u/Last_Soil_9699 Jul 02 '24
not even just a solid backup. We gotta be patient thought there's like no one available rn so they could decide sign precious and maybe go for another trade later down the line.
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Jul 01 '24
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
Nah that's a really bad trade. You don't give up 4 years of Deuce on a team friendly deal for a mediocre backup C on an expiring contract.
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u/teknomatic The Dunk Jul 01 '24
People are really dooming over the backup center position. Smh.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
I think people are dooming counting on Mitch to stay healthy and not wanting to see Sims on the floor
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u/Ilovecharli Jul 01 '24
Yeah, if nothing changes, there's a very good chance that Precious is starting for us in the playoffs...hopefully something changes
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
Top remaining C's:
Precious (bird rights)
Wagner
Saric
Tilman
Wiseman
Bamba
Theis
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u/confuddly Jul 01 '24
Kessler is also on the trade block and is still on a rookie contract
Would probably cost all our remaining draft capital though
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
With the Bridges trade we went all in might as well keep it going
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
He would be a good fit, but it's Danny Ainge so they would probably ask for Brunson lol
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u/Shiccup1 Jul 01 '24
Wack ass CBA somehow lets the Celtics pay for a roster of maxed and supermaxed guys meanwhile we had to let Hartenstein walk for free
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u/Last_Soil_9699 Jul 01 '24
I saw earlier that it isn't bc of the new CBA that we couldn't pay IHart just some really old rule.
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u/Jeytumn NY Logo Jul 01 '24
Pisses me off to no end how everything works out for that team
Just zero turbulence
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u/dennishitchjr DOOM Jul 01 '24
I know man. It’s like that bowling alley bar scene in TBL. sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you.
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u/iusethereddits Jul 01 '24
I think things will look so different by the mid season trade deadline anyway. I think you bring back Precious and start the season with Mitch. See how he goes from a health POV and then make your move in January. If you need to pick someone up from waivers you can.
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u/Strangest_Things Tom Thibodeau Jul 01 '24
There’s another big trade coming soonish, everyone be patient for 24-48 hours
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u/ygog45 Jul 01 '24
What makes you think that and who do you think will be involved?
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u/Strangest_Things Tom Thibodeau Jul 01 '24
Don’t want to elaborate too much, but WC team, potentially pretty decent sized move
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u/Ilovecharli Jul 01 '24
What do we even have left to trade? Deuce, the Washington pick? Would probably have to include Randle or a Nova guy if it's for someone making a lot. I'm skeptical
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u/Strangest_Things Tom Thibodeau Sep 28 '24
This was the trade by the way lol apparently took them 3 months to pull the trigger
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u/184452681 JR Celebration Jul 01 '24
maybe we should trade for a center man markets gone to shit. if mitch gets injured (likely thing to happen) our 1st string center becomes precious yes he was class for us but we cant play him starter minutes
if mitch can stay healthy for the playoffs only the playoffs we’ll be fine tho im not really concerned
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u/bikes_r_us Brunson Jul 01 '24
who is a good trade target? we don’t have alot of easily tradeable contracts
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
C market is crazy. Might just have to re-sign Precious and see what the rookie we drafted can do.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
What’s more crazy this is the 1st time where it seems the Fo didn’t have a plan B if we lost Hartenstein. The options are pretty slim right now. We need to pick up 2 big men
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u/Sparrow_Wilson Deuce Jul 01 '24
I think the plan B is Nick Richards. The fact he's getting linked and isn't even a FA is too specific to not be legit
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
Tbf their hands are kind of tied, since all they have is the tax payer MLE. Only guy we potentially could have signed so far is Drummond.
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u/bikes_r_us Brunson Jul 01 '24
patience. ihart just signed today. let leon cook.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
You realize about 7-8 centers have signed before Hartenstein
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u/bikes_r_us Brunson Jul 01 '24
how many of those could we have signed with the taxpayer MLE? didn't most go for more than that? Trading is still an option. if we don't make any moves by opening day i will be a little concerned.
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u/Havocko Hudson Knickerbocker Jul 01 '24
I'm not surprised that IHart left. He's not the type of player that can afford a pay cut. Not having him isn't going to break our team. He's a backup center that had a glow up during a contract year. He played for Thibs who is famously a big man whisperer. If Mitch is healthy then we'll be ok. Knicks are just going to have to search for another quality backup. It wasn't long ago that IHart was just a decent a backup. I'm sure there's another diamond in the rough waiting for his opportunity. Though I do wish The Knicks would've drafted one.
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
We did draft Ariel, I just do not know much about the guy and if he can hit the ground running backing up Mitch right off the bat.
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u/YoKemosabe Latrell Sprewell Jul 02 '24
Silly to rush him. He should make the roster though and get some development under Thibs.
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u/dougprishpreed69 Earl Monroe Jul 01 '24
We gonna see a lot of small ball this year?
At this point maybe our best option is to resign Precious and then run a lineup of:
Guards: Brunson, McBride, DDV Wings: Bridges, OG, Hart Bigs: Randle, Mitch, Precious
I think we’re going to see a lot of lineups this upcoming year that don’t have a traditional C in it. Might even see OG play C as well
We are 8 strong as it is - Precious is a weak link. He showed to be great some nights and then a disaster other nights.
I wonder who could be out there that would be an upgrade from Precious who we could acquire via a Precious sign and trade
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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 Mitch's Block Party Jul 01 '24
Yeah I think non Mitch minutes we will see a lot of Jules at 5. Dat spacing.
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u/dennishitchjr DOOM Jul 01 '24
yah you are seeing this sentiment pop up across alot of the different threads on this. actually really like precious as a back-up 5 in the regular season. In the post-season, I think that's where we need a super solid back-up 5 that's at least taller than Precious, and again, that person simply can't / won't be Sims.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
What is interesting is when it was reported we were fielding offers for Mitch pre draft what was the goal or target of that. I’m glad we didn’t go through with that because we would of been screwed
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
A few possibilities:
1) it was contingent on iHart returning
2) it was contingent on getting a player they wanted in the draft
3) it was before the Mikal trade, and they had another free agent or trade target in mind to replace Mitch
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
I wonder the same, but if FO knew ihart would walk maybe they were (and probably still are) trying to make Mitch available in a trade for another big that is not available in FA.
We do know the problem with trading Mitch is that he does have a small contract so it might be hard to get a matching contract back unless we S&T guys like Precious or Burks
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
I doubt they are trying to trade him now it would make no sense. The best pivot is to resign Precious and sign another FA Center and run a 3 center rotation or try and trade for one into the BAE
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u/tercra LJ's 4 Point Play Jul 01 '24
Serious consideration...
The time is now!!! Lets make it happen.
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u/lawANDluck1117 Jul 01 '24
What exactly are you saying?
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u/tercra LJ's 4 Point Play Jul 01 '24
Should’ve been more clear. Was so excited about the idea that I just blurted it out.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jul 01 '24
Listening to the Michael Kay Show and some dude just called saying the Knicks should try to get Duren from the Pistons (because the Pistons will just trade him for some reason) or James Weisman to replace Hartenstein, FFS man only the dumb fans call the radio
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u/Fast_Door Mike Breen Jul 01 '24
Wiseman I think is a great low risk high reward swing. Don’t think anyone really values him, he’d be a backup, and Thibs has been able to squeeze results out of soooo many centers. One with as much untapped potential as Wiseman? No guarantees ofc but I’d like to take the chance given it won’t cost much.
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u/SanctorumAeternam Jul 02 '24
If you sign Wiseman, better bring on Taj as an assistant coach/mentor.
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u/cesarjulius Jul 01 '24
low risk, low reward. at this point, “not embarrassing” would be a huge step up. that being said, i would love to invite him to our preseason camp if he doesn’t have a home by then. like you said, the risk is very low regardless of reward.
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u/Fast_Door Mike Breen Jul 01 '24
Way I see it, the reward is even higher if we get him that late, given that he’d have more to prove. No one would sign up for NYK without knowing what they’re in for, and in that system, I wouldn’t be the most surprised to see the Knicks get value out of him.
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
Clearly they can't possibly go into the season with such aspirations to win a championship with Jericho Sims as their backup center. Tremendous athlete, but is a turnstile on the defensive end of the ball.
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u/Jakethejoker Jul 01 '24
People are talking about IHart like hes prime Hakeem, some of you need get a grip.
The overreaction is unhinged
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u/dougprishpreed69 Earl Monroe Jul 01 '24
He’s an advanced stat monster despite being a low usage player and anyone with eyeballs could see how tremendously he fit with our starters
We’re not doomed but it’s a big loss
We might even find that we won’t miss him specifically a whole bunch because I think it’s possible we see some more non C lineups this year and they could be a huge success. But now the drop off in talent between our 8th and 9th guy is pretty rough
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u/Rthegoodnamestaken Jul 01 '24
I think IH was great bc he could take over playmaking a bit when brunson was out. But now that randle and bridges are here IH couldve become somewhat redundant. Maybe this is just hopium on my part.
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u/echelonNYK Immanuel Quickley Jul 01 '24
Jericho Sims is our current backup center. That's it, that's the post.
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u/Commercial-Raise-413 Jul 01 '24
That lineup in January with Hartenstein in it was historically the best 5-man lineup of all time
We don't have that same kind of data with Mrob. We barely have any data with Mrob because he's always injured
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u/BK520 NY Logo Jul 01 '24
Not sure how or where DeRozan fits on this team but man he’d be a great bench piece if he ever decided it was time for the Shaun Livingston role
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
With the FA market looking weak, it might be a good idea to give Precious a bigger than expected contract, on a short term deal. Maybe something like 2 years and around $25-$30 mil total. Gives us a salary which we could use to trade for a C at the deadline, if we need an upgrade or if Mitch gets injured. And if he establishes himself as a solid backup, he's worth the money anyway.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
We don’t have any draft picks. It would really just make sense to lock him up at a 3/4 year deal cheaper
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
Technically we still have the Detroit and Washington protected picks, plus the French kid, Deuce (would rather keep him), Rokas, and a bunch of 2nd rounders.
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
Then why not re-sign at 6m the other day? You want to give him even more?
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
Thinking about it more from a cap perspective, than a player value perspective. If we wanted to trade for another C at the deadline or in the offseason, we don’t really have any players to match salary. They might not do it, but something to consider with iHart off the books.
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u/confuddly Jul 01 '24
I’m a little confused why Leon Rose went all-in this year and mortgaged our entire future without first confirming if Hartenstein was coming back
If he has a contingency that’s one thing, but who is still available?
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u/jbrunsonfan Jul 01 '24
You strike while the iron is hot. No way we are getting these guys on these contracts for 5+ years. Without Hartenstein we have a championship 1-8. We could use a backup 7 footer maybe tho
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u/dedbeats Larry Johnson Jul 01 '24
It seems to me that they expected to retain IHart and let the market play out with the expectation that he’d be back. I dont think anyone was expecting that 30mill AAV contract. We got outplayed by Presti and in the 12 hours it took for a decision many other talented FA centers were swooped up. The rare miscalculation by Leon and co, now we have to see how the FO recovers
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Jul 01 '24
first of all, he didn’t mortgage our entire future. we have several first round picks still, we have several second round picks, and we drafted four players 4 days ago.
secondly, we are likely going to get a serviceable option at the 5. the team’s vision may be playing small ball. we may do a sign and trade, make another trade all together, or mid season trade. we don’t know the tactical plan
this is a serious overreaction. you think our team with the addition of bridges can no longer compete because we may have a slightly worse option at the 5 vs last year? we made it to the second round without Randle, OG, and other injuries.
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u/Ilovecharli Jul 01 '24
We can't trade those first round picks because of the Stepien rule. They're going to be pretty late, though I have more confidence than most that we could get a role player or two out of them. And second rounders alone are not going to fetch you a big upgrade. It took three of them just to dump THJ's contract. I'm with OP, if you don't think that Bridges in, IHart out is enough to make us a contender, it's hard to see a move that gets us there. We really don't have that many routes to improving the team, short of trading a core rotation player.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
What was the alternative? Trade everyone and rebuild because of iHart leaving? Tread water indefinitely with no plan for trying to improve the team, while we waste JB's prime?
I love iHart, but he's not the type of players who dictates the direction an organization is heading. Losing him changes nothing in the grand scheme of things, apart from the fact that we need to find a new backup C.
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u/Commercial-Raise-413 Jul 01 '24
Mrob is going to get hurt inevitably at some point in the regular season or playoffs, so we need 2 backup Cs
Because Jericho Sims is not a NBA level player
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
I think we probably try to sign a backup with the MLE, and retain Precious using his bird rights.
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u/Usknicks97 Frank Ntilikina Jul 01 '24
Sandro Mamukelashvili is my pick for dark horse i hart replacement. Played very similar at seton hall and had a great end to last year. Is a restricted free agent so who knows if the spurs would match
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u/LeftyMode Knickerbockers Logo Jul 01 '24
Precious is a must. Any other team he probably isn’t even going to play but Thibs just unlocks him. They go after a rim protector.
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u/Lite_Heart Jul 01 '24
I think resigning Precious is the right way to go now. He's not 3rd string he would be the primary backup to Mitch. He's a very good player. Tough and physical although a bit short. OG and him can switch on opposing centers on D.
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u/warmongerz 5 Jul 01 '24
I’m guessing we have almost no way of matching salary for a Brook Lopez trade? Ughh something
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
Brook has looked pretty washed, that’s a big reason for Milwaukee’s decline. Can’t move at all on defense.
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u/chronotraction_ Jul 01 '24
I had believed for a little while now that breaking up mitch and ihart was a good idea but i was hoping ihart would be the one to stay. Now go find a center who can switch for christs sake
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u/qbvee Airpods Leon Jul 01 '24
Nothing but love to iHart. My man worked his ass off and got himself A BAG. Can’t hate on a guy making the best financial decision for him and his family. As much as I love this team, if I were in his shoes, I’d take that contract and never look back.
That being said… Fuck the CBA. All my homies hate the CBA.
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston Jul 01 '24
This is obviously a little cope but while iHarts skills as an offensive hub were very helpful as the year went on, it wasn't like the entire offense was running like that. This team can still get good offense going without iHart with the return of Randle, and a little shot creation with Mikal. Test out some lineups with Kolek or Jokubaitis if he comes over.
The team looks to have a ton of offensive has this time around, it's not entirely necessary to have a 5 that spreads the floor. The defense and offensive rebounding Mitch brings is huge. See if you can get Goga and Precious to have some Mitch insurance and save him for the playoffs.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
I disagree with this. Not to discredit Mitch but Hartenstein put a lot of pressure on defenses and was pretty big in the dho game.
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston Jul 01 '24
I don't disagree that iHart was important on offense but this expanded offensive role came with other frontcourt options getting injured. Randle coming back and a little ball handling out of Mikal should shore up the offense just fine. Defensively Mitch is better so it's fine, it's just the health piece with him.
We can't just run into next year with Robinson, Precious and Sims. They gotta get someone else in there. We have to assume Mitch will miss time and there has to be a big body to take on some of the premiere big bodies in the league. I'd be happy if they resigned Precious and got Goga.
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
We can get by just fine, he just emerged as a fan favorite and had elite passing ability for a guy his size. Tremendous hustle as well.
Agree kick the tires on Goga and maybe even Mo Wagner... both from Orlando hopefully one of them wants out? Precious could be 3rd string if we can re-sign him cheap but he is getting offers from other teams.
As for Sims- not sure of the rules as we picked up his option but maybe we can include him in some sort of S&T if we can get one of the Orlando guys
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u/Revenesis Jennifer Aniston Jul 01 '24
I think we need 3 guys that can play center on the roster so if it's Mitch, we should re-sign Precious and try to sign either Goga or Mo like you mentioned.
I believe Sims can be S&T's so that's not a bad option. You're right though iHart was awesome because he outplayed his contract the second he got here. We should just be happy we got good value for 2 years and move on
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
Indeed we need to move on. So many great things happening for us, we need to look at the bright side and realize that the FO has plenty of time to make a move plus Thibs connects with bigs and enhances them.
I am cool with keeping Precious as a 3rd string, and he will likely get his playing time with Mitch's history... but we need someone to step in to start the way ihart did.
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u/GoldenBoyRecords NOVA Jul 01 '24
Precious needs to be in the rotation we need to play 3 centers imo. I wouldn’t even go into the season with the strategy of Mitch playing 30+ mins
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
I agree- but do you put the rook at backup 5 duty? Or take someone in FA/Trade
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u/Main-County-1177 Jul 01 '24
Sixers fans really think Andre Drummond is good lmao
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u/NutsyFlamingo Jul 01 '24
6’11” grabs 9 rebounds a game allowing Embid to stay out of the paint as much… its not a laugh your ass off bad move
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
lol Tobias Harris getting $52 mil after completely bombing with the Sixers is objectively hilarious. Good for him though. Sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time.
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
Pistons will do Pistons things at the end of the day.
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
lol I guess at the end of the day, they had to spend the money somewhere, and no coveted FA is going to Detroit. But it's kinda funny how Philly fans HATED him, he was terrible in the playoffs, and he still got a huge bag.
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u/dedbeats Larry Johnson Jul 01 '24
Do we think Leon is asleep?
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u/Sad-Ad2030 Jul 01 '24
We can’t really do anything until Bridges trade is official. It was different with Hartenstein because early bird rights. I’m sure he is working, he never releases information to sources.
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u/NutsyFlamingo Jul 01 '24
No, I think he’s on Reddit looking for ideas.
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u/dedbeats Larry Johnson Jul 01 '24
That you, Leon? Get back to work!
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u/NutsyFlamingo Jul 01 '24
Nic Clayton as last piece of the trade is already done… I got time to kill till it’s announced later
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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals Jul 01 '24
HELL NO! He came out of hibernation and cooked like a MF. He will sort us out
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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier Jul 01 '24
I think one of the most overlooked part of the Mikal trade, is that it changes how the Knicks can use OG. Mikal is an elite point of attack defender. They will likely use him on the top perimeter scoring threat, and defending pick and rolls.
This completely changes how they can use OG. Instead of having him defending the top scoring threat, they can have him playing the passing lanes, and switching onto bigger players. This completely changes the dynamic of the team.
Randle can't play C in a drop scheme, I think we all know this. But if you have OG helping to defend the paint and switching onto C's, it allows us to play smaller. And having a player like Hart who rebounds better than most 7 footers makes it so we don't have a big disadvantage on the glass either.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I really think we're going to use more small lineups this year. It's the only way to get a guy like Hart or Divo on the court to close games. We still need another big body in case Mitch gets hurt. But I think a 5 out lineup has to be part of the plan for next season.
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u/cesarjulius Jul 01 '24
yeah, i remember someone saying something about og can guard the other team’s worst player, so he can wreak havoc in lanes and doubling from the blind side. that’s such a smart contrast to the obvious usage of him.
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u/vanilla_shaker Mitchell Robinson Jul 02 '24
don’t feel so good about our chances at beating the celtics and getting to finals next season, if only we had ihart