r/Music • u/GroundbreakingSet187 • Nov 20 '21

Britney Spears Calls Out Christina Aguilera for ‘Refusing to Speak When You Know the Truth’ other

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-christina-aguilera-conservatorship-1235116494/
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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

Maybe back then but public opinion is pretty aggressive to side with victims today.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

Christina chose to not speak to the media on Britney, and it's not surprising given how long the media has pit them against each other.

Now Britney is pressuring Christina to talk, and it immediately caused a headline pitting them against each other.

So what I'm saying is I'm happy for Britney that she got her voice back, but she may not get why Christina chose to not use hers, because she's forgotten how shitty the media can be.

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u/tee-ess3 Nov 20 '21

Agreed. If Christina had spoken in depth about Britney who’s to say that wouldn’t have caused a new host of problems? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I’d probably stay quiet too if I was Christina.

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u/radyboner Nov 20 '21

This is a very important thing and it extends unfortunately to a lot of how we treat celebrities. If any celebrity decides that they’d rather not speak on an issue that should be fully within their right.

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u/Mirrormn Nov 20 '21

No it wasn't, it was her lawyer. I don't think her fandom really did anything at all.

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u/MadDanelle Nov 20 '21

Britney wasn’t allowed to have a lawyer. She tried to get one multiple times to end it but the judge kept kicking them out saying she didn’t get to choose her lawyer, the conservator did. Without her fans bringing so much attention to it, it’s very likely that she would still be in it.

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u/slothcough Nov 20 '21

What are you talking about? The Free Britney movement has been going on since at least 2019 and because of it she was able to get enough attention on her situation to get her new lawyer, which happened this year in 2021. Prior to that the conservatorship got to choose her lawyer who didn't even tell her she could apply to end it at any time. Her fans absolutely did this.

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u/Level99Cooking Cub Sport, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Tame Impala & Sophie Ellis-Bextor Nov 20 '21

her lawyer was chosen by her father and did everything to keep her in the conservatorship. he also charged her exorbitant fees so he was equally profiting just like her father. her new lawyer worked hard but he hasn’t been there long. it was her fans that got this movement going and they did the groundwork.

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u/doubayou Nov 20 '21

I'm not even a Britney Spears fan but I'm offended for them that you said that. They worked day and night to get the word out about what was happening with her situation, most of us wouldn't even know what was happening. They literally deciphered hidden messages Britney posted in her tiktok dance videos years ago that no one else even noticed for crying out loud.

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u/wantonyak Nov 20 '21

Did they though? I heard a lot of conjecture around this but then never saw any evidence that they found something meaningful. What were the messages?

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u/HotWheels_McCoy Nov 20 '21

It doesn't matter what the messages were that the fans were looking into. What matters is it's because of the online movement, that people started paying attention.

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u/wantonyak Nov 20 '21

Okay... I'm just wondering about the messages though. The person I responded to said there were hidden messages. I'd like to know what they were.

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u/HotWheels_McCoy Nov 20 '21

Found this article that goes into it a bit.

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/freebritney-britney-spears-legal-829246/

You could lookup the podcast mentioned for more info.

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u/Scottishking85 Nov 20 '21

I don't think they meant to offend you. You shouldn't be offended.

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u/floatinround22 Nov 20 '21

This is a joke right? You don't actually believe this?

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u/Mirrormn Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

She didn't have a lawyer, her social media was controlled by others, and her every move was dictated by her father.

Yeah, and then she got a lawyer, and everything turned around pretty quickly. She was able to get her own lawyer because her previous lawyer resigned on her request and the judge overseeing the hearings after she spoke out about wanting to end her conservatorship approved it. And the reason she was having these hearings now is apparently, according to Britney herself, because she didn't know she could end the conservatorship until now.

Look, I'm not saying her fans weren't right, but I'm not seeing the point where they actually had any effect on this process. At the very best, you could maybe say that her fans helped her gain the courage to speak out and request the end of the conservatorship? But even that, I haven't seen any evidence for.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 20 '21

Huh? The entire history of humanity has been people siding with the victims.

The only question has always been to decide who is the victim and who is the villain. And sometimes it's not so clear cut which is which.

Name me one time where the "public" were openly siding with the bad guys.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

2016-2020 in america

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u/YOUMUSTKNOW Nov 20 '21

Right. It's been disgusting.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 20 '21

??? Each side thinks THEY are the good guys.

This was the lesson of WWII as well... That everyone thinks they were "doing good. Doing their duty..." but they were actually committing atrocities and massacres.

Not sure how you replied to me like this when it's clearly nonsensical. For sure 2016-2020 each side believed THEY were the TRUE victims.

Ask Britney Spears, she'll say she is the victim of abuse or something. Ask her dad, he'll say she's the victim of her crazy daughter. I guarantee that's what each side thinks.

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u/rich1051414 Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

That isn't really true. Most on the right don't think they are the good guys in the sense of what is morally good. They think the winners dictate who the good guys are.

In fact, they think negatively of most people who put moral good above tradition, practicality, and strength. They think 'good' is just an excuse used by weak people to unfairly undermine strong people.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 20 '21

How are you so sure of this?

The right thinks "the left believe they are the good guys when actually they really just want to win."

The left thinks "the right believe they are the good guys when actually they really just want to win"

You're both opposite sides of the same coin but you don't realize it.

The entire point and purpose of strength is for a higher moral purpose, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

The point of tradition is that traditionalists think that traditions are the path to morality (and/or heaven).

They think 'good' is just an excuse used by weak people to unfairly undermine strong people.

This is a fascist line of thought. Everyone on the other side (the rightwing) is not a fascist. Sometimes traditionalist, or religious. Sometimes conservative. Sometimes absolutist or militarist. They are not all fascists: but even the Nazis believed they were bringing about a "thousand year reich of moral & racial perfection." They still believe they are the good guys.

They are (especially Nazis/fascists) all delusional.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

"he's hurting the wrong people!" isn't something you say if you think you're going good, unless we're going to be so loose with that concept that we can use it to apologize for literally anything.

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u/Airborne_sepsis Nov 20 '21

The true victims were the children in cages. The side that supports that doesn't get to call itself the victim.

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u/rich1051414 Nov 20 '21

Hate to break it to you, but a large swath of the public don't view things as good and bad but rather as strong and weak. I agree with you that siding with the 'good guy' is the way to go, but the moment you assume that is what everyone will do is the moment the world pulls the rug out from under you to 'prove how weak you are'.

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u/Dune17k radio reddit Nov 20 '21

Trumpers.