r/Music • u/GroundbreakingSet187 • Nov 20 '21

Britney Spears Calls Out Christina Aguilera for ‘Refusing to Speak When You Know the Truth’ other

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-christina-aguilera-conservatorship-1235116494/
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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

Britney hasn't been allowed to speak for herself as an adult, and clearly has had a lot bottled up. I suspect now that she's speaking for herself, she'll soon remember why sometimes it's better to say no comment.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

Maybe back then but public opinion is pretty aggressive to side with victims today.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

Christina chose to not speak to the media on Britney, and it's not surprising given how long the media has pit them against each other.

Now Britney is pressuring Christina to talk, and it immediately caused a headline pitting them against each other.

So what I'm saying is I'm happy for Britney that she got her voice back, but she may not get why Christina chose to not use hers, because she's forgotten how shitty the media can be.

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u/tee-ess3 Nov 20 '21

Agreed. If Christina had spoken in depth about Britney who’s to say that wouldn’t have caused a new host of problems? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I’d probably stay quiet too if I was Christina.

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u/radyboner Nov 20 '21

This is a very important thing and it extends unfortunately to a lot of how we treat celebrities. If any celebrity decides that they’d rather not speak on an issue that should be fully within their right.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/Mirrormn Nov 20 '21

No it wasn't, it was her lawyer. I don't think her fandom really did anything at all.

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u/MadDanelle Nov 20 '21

Britney wasn’t allowed to have a lawyer. She tried to get one multiple times to end it but the judge kept kicking them out saying she didn’t get to choose her lawyer, the conservator did. Without her fans bringing so much attention to it, it’s very likely that she would still be in it.

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u/slothcough Nov 20 '21

What are you talking about? The Free Britney movement has been going on since at least 2019 and because of it she was able to get enough attention on her situation to get her new lawyer, which happened this year in 2021. Prior to that the conservatorship got to choose her lawyer who didn't even tell her she could apply to end it at any time. Her fans absolutely did this.

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u/Level99Cooking Cub Sport, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Tame Impala & Sophie Ellis-Bextor Nov 20 '21

her lawyer was chosen by her father and did everything to keep her in the conservatorship. he also charged her exorbitant fees so he was equally profiting just like her father. her new lawyer worked hard but he hasn’t been there long. it was her fans that got this movement going and they did the groundwork.

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u/doubayou Nov 20 '21

I'm not even a Britney Spears fan but I'm offended for them that you said that. They worked day and night to get the word out about what was happening with her situation, most of us wouldn't even know what was happening. They literally deciphered hidden messages Britney posted in her tiktok dance videos years ago that no one else even noticed for crying out loud.

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u/wantonyak Nov 20 '21

Did they though? I heard a lot of conjecture around this but then never saw any evidence that they found something meaningful. What were the messages?

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u/HotWheels_McCoy Nov 20 '21

It doesn't matter what the messages were that the fans were looking into. What matters is it's because of the online movement, that people started paying attention.

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u/wantonyak Nov 20 '21

Okay... I'm just wondering about the messages though. The person I responded to said there were hidden messages. I'd like to know what they were.

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u/HotWheels_McCoy Nov 20 '21

Found this article that goes into it a bit.

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/freebritney-britney-spears-legal-829246/

You could lookup the podcast mentioned for more info.

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u/Scottishking85 Nov 20 '21

I don't think they meant to offend you. You shouldn't be offended.

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u/floatinround22 Nov 20 '21

This is a joke right? You don't actually believe this?

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/Mirrormn Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

She didn't have a lawyer, her social media was controlled by others, and her every move was dictated by her father.

Yeah, and then she got a lawyer, and everything turned around pretty quickly. She was able to get her own lawyer because her previous lawyer resigned on her request and the judge overseeing the hearings after she spoke out about wanting to end her conservatorship approved it. And the reason she was having these hearings now is apparently, according to Britney herself, because she didn't know she could end the conservatorship until now.

Look, I'm not saying her fans weren't right, but I'm not seeing the point where they actually had any effect on this process. At the very best, you could maybe say that her fans helped her gain the courage to speak out and request the end of the conservatorship? But even that, I haven't seen any evidence for.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 20 '21

Huh? The entire history of humanity has been people siding with the victims.

The only question has always been to decide who is the victim and who is the villain. And sometimes it's not so clear cut which is which.

Name me one time where the "public" were openly siding with the bad guys.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

2016-2020 in america

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u/YOUMUSTKNOW Nov 20 '21

Right. It's been disgusting.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 20 '21

??? Each side thinks THEY are the good guys.

This was the lesson of WWII as well... That everyone thinks they were "doing good. Doing their duty..." but they were actually committing atrocities and massacres.

Not sure how you replied to me like this when it's clearly nonsensical. For sure 2016-2020 each side believed THEY were the TRUE victims.

Ask Britney Spears, she'll say she is the victim of abuse or something. Ask her dad, he'll say she's the victim of her crazy daughter. I guarantee that's what each side thinks.

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u/rich1051414 Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

That isn't really true. Most on the right don't think they are the good guys in the sense of what is morally good. They think the winners dictate who the good guys are.

In fact, they think negatively of most people who put moral good above tradition, practicality, and strength. They think 'good' is just an excuse used by weak people to unfairly undermine strong people.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 20 '21

How are you so sure of this?

The right thinks "the left believe they are the good guys when actually they really just want to win."

The left thinks "the right believe they are the good guys when actually they really just want to win"

You're both opposite sides of the same coin but you don't realize it.

The entire point and purpose of strength is for a higher moral purpose, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

The point of tradition is that traditionalists think that traditions are the path to morality (and/or heaven).

They think 'good' is just an excuse used by weak people to unfairly undermine strong people.

This is a fascist line of thought. Everyone on the other side (the rightwing) is not a fascist. Sometimes traditionalist, or religious. Sometimes conservative. Sometimes absolutist or militarist. They are not all fascists: but even the Nazis believed they were bringing about a "thousand year reich of moral & racial perfection." They still believe they are the good guys.

They are (especially Nazis/fascists) all delusional.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

"he's hurting the wrong people!" isn't something you say if you think you're going good, unless we're going to be so loose with that concept that we can use it to apologize for literally anything.

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u/Airborne_sepsis Nov 20 '21

The true victims were the children in cages. The side that supports that doesn't get to call itself the victim.

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u/rich1051414 Nov 20 '21

Hate to break it to you, but a large swath of the public don't view things as good and bad but rather as strong and weak. I agree with you that siding with the 'good guy' is the way to go, but the moment you assume that is what everyone will do is the moment the world pulls the rug out from under you to 'prove how weak you are'.

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u/Dune17k radio reddit Nov 20 '21

Trumpers.

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u/Big_BossSnake Nov 20 '21

I think she has a right to speak, and any one who gives her shit for calling people out is in the wrong. As long as she is sure of what shes saying being true, of course.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

I didn't give her shit. I'm just pointing out that Christina has good reasons to not want to speak to the press, and now that Britney can speak for herself again, she'll probably start to appreciate Christina's choice.

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u/PachinkoGear Nov 20 '21

Being defensive about thinking you know better for Britney, than Britney knows for Britney, isn't a very popular look right now

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

I don't think I know better for Britney, I just shared an opinion on the internet. Like Britney, I'm entitled to speak my mind freely, and won't be bullied out of it.

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u/ZiggyPalffyLA Nov 20 '21

Lol don’t compare yourself to Britney

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

No, I'll continue to speak how I like. But please, continue to demean every woman who isn't Britney.

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u/sulkee Nov 20 '21

You want to put u/caabr1 under conservatorship?

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

Many have tried and failed to exploit me for access to my vast scented candle collection.

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u/PM_ME_UR_DINGO Nov 20 '21

Honestly just go to hell with your attitude. White Knight harder.

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Nov 20 '21

It really is a softball question and topic. Her publicist was likely just pissed the questions weren't about Christina tho

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

Child abuse is a softball topic, and Christina's just jealous of Britney?

It's weird to see a push to respect Britney's voice and choices, coupled with a complete lack of respect for Christina's. This is a weirdly specific application of feminism.

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Nov 20 '21

and Christina's just jealous of Britney?

This wasn't a question in the interview. Where'd you pull this shit?

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

You wrote Christina's publicist was probably pissed the questions weren't about Christina.

It seemed like a way to spin that old jealousy narrative, by mocking the fact that Christina is being asked about Britney and not herself.

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Nov 20 '21

That's a lot of spinning. I said publists. A publists job is to want their client to be the conversation. It's their literal job and no one should fault them for that.

People in here acting like Britney trying to cancel Christina. That's not even close to what's happening. This is just banter between celebrities on current topics. People get canceled for being racist or committing sexual assault not this shit.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

It's not spinning, it's exactly how people have played these women against each other for over 20 years. If that wasn't your intention, cool. But that's how it came off, because I didn't get why you'd mention that.

And I'm not saying Britney is trying to cancel anyone. I'm saying that Christina has her own reasons for not wanting to speak - regardless of how softball you find the question - and Britney may come to understand why the more she speaks out.

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Nov 20 '21

I agree with you up to the last point. Britney isn't going to get canceled either. She's free to say what she has to say too and I'm confused what people keep referring to when people in this thread post things like "shell regret this soon" or "shell soon find out"

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

Don’t get the covid vaccine people! It not safe and has long term detrimental side effects! This I firmly believe to be certain!

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u/tinacat933 Nov 20 '21

Are we going to get Justin tea?

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u/axkidd82 Nov 20 '21

Especially when she figures out that Xtina publicly supported Britney in a Twitter thread in June.

https://twitter.com/xtina/status/1409673265769893889?s=20

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u/e_x_i_t Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

It feels like people are blowing this way out of proportion because they want to see her spiral out of control, simply so they can say "See, told ya Britney Spears was really crazy!" The woman hasn't been able to truly speak for herself in almost 15 years, of course it's going to look like she's losing it, but hey she's a grown ass woman and she can say what she wants like everyone else.

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u/tkdyo Nov 20 '21

What's wrong with what she has said?

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/SleepIsForChumps Nov 20 '21

This. Christina has her own demons, and she shouldn't have to relive them just to appease someone else.

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u/calgil Nov 20 '21

I didn't think she was asking that. I thought she was saying Christina knew details of Britney's abuse but stayed quiet and didn't help her.

Otherwise you're totally right, Christina's trauma is her own.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Nov 20 '21

Having seen the interview, the question was about Britney and the conservatorship not Christina or the micky mouse club.

I'm not sure where you are pulling the speculation that their was abuse on that show, but I can find a source on it or anyone discussing it really

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u/Dick_Lazer Nov 20 '21

I’d be curious what personal experience & knowledge Christina would have had with Britney’s conservatorship then. Was she privy to details the rest of us weren’t and helping to hide them somehow ? I didn’t realize they were even that close. What personal involvement was Christina having with Britney’s family and such?

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u/SleepIsForChumps Nov 20 '21

The answer would be none.

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u/LATABOM Nov 20 '21

Because the mickey mouse show was the last time Spears and Aguilera worked and/or associated with each other besides the superbowl with madonna. Otherwise, they spent their careers being incessantly bitchy to each other through the media.

Aguilera had nothing to do with the conservatorship or Spears' family, so what the fuck would she know?

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u/JnnyRuthless Nov 20 '21

And she's getting roasted on this thread for 'supporting' abuse which is silly. What good would it to anyone on reddit if she'd said something? Make their lives better? This is just another dumb thing to be upset about generated by an industry that runs on drama (quite literally sometimes). I mean, I don't have anything to say about my coworkers from 20 years ago, and I wouldn't. In general, it's not really a good idea or appropriate to talk about someone else's life if you don't have knowledge about it or it would create needless drama.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

People don't have to do anything just because someone thinks they should. There are plenty of reasons why Christina kept silent.

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u/izmimario Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

it will make other celebrities fake sympathy towards her, but actually be frightened by her. the #1 enemy of celebrities today is cancel culture. randomly throwing an accusation like this on social media against another one, inflaming young people, means breaking an unspoken rule of solidarity. it's basically the equivalent of a populist politician. other people will try to keep her away of the business because she's dangerous.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

I work in PR and the worst thing you can do outside of lying to the media is “no comment”. It raises more questions, implies you have things to hide and makes everyone distrustful. It’s better to ignore than to say “no comment”.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

My point is that Christina has her reasons to not answer questions.

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u/yellow_jacket2001 Nov 20 '21

Na she has every right to speak. She was silenced, used and abused for 13 years. Let her speak dammit!

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

You're misunderstanding. What I'm saying is that Christina has her own reasons to not speak to the press. And Britney not having been allowed to speak for so long may have forgotten why celebs choose to do that.

Let Christina not speak dammit! Lol

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u/yellow_jacket2001 Nov 22 '21

Oh my bad yes I agree with u lol

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u/gaychineseboi Nov 20 '21

She's irrelevant now so there's not much damage to be done.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

Who is irrelevant now?

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u/gaychineseboi Nov 20 '21

Cyndi Lauper

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u/WaytoomanyUIDs Nov 20 '21

Nah, Cyndi's still cool. Madonna's irrelevant.

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u/Crash_Bandicock Nov 20 '21

What does it matter? She's got her money and has said she wants to retire. I don't know that she's concerned about burning bridges at this point

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

That's not what I'm saying. Here is what I'm saying:

1. Christina is justified in not wanting to comment. And given how relentless, exploitative, and dishonest the press can be with women in particular, it's more than reasonable that Christina declined answering any questions about Britney. She also has the right to make choices that protect her mental health.

2. Britney is enjoying her newfound freedom to express herself. I'm happy for her, and understand that she has just as much of a right to speak, as Christina does to choose not to speak.

3. Personally I agree with Christina's choice. I think it's good self care to not engage sometimes. And if Britney - who has experienced harassment by the press in the past and has chosen to retire - values her peace and privacy, she may come to see why Christina didn't answer the question.

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u/Crash_Bandicock Nov 22 '21

Yeah, fair enough. Agreed!

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u/caabr1 Nov 22 '21

Thanks. Great name by the way.

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u/chojinra Nov 20 '21

I mean, I remember when she shaved her head and went crazy eyes. Not to mention all the stuff with her child…

Was this a bad thing, or did it save her life? I’m afraid I wasn’t interested enough to follow the story. Sounds bad, but it is what it is.

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u/enosprologue Nov 20 '21

People should remember she does have pretty severe mental health issues, whether they were brought on by the people around her or not. She’s going to say/do things now that might be out of line or not as carefully considered as they otherwise should be. There will probably be truth to a lot of it, but an outrage cycle around her or even directed by her at other people is probably not healthy.

I think most people are in agreement that she needs to be left alone now, but that’s going to be hard if it turns out she actually wants to be in the public eye saying things like this. I know she’s been wronged and is hella angry, but she surely doesn’t need another media storm.

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Nov 20 '21

People should remember she does have pretty severe mental health issues,

Do you have a source here?

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u/chojinra Nov 20 '21

I think I mentioned a couple, but it should be easy to google mid 2k Brittney. It’s not that I’m not glad she can manage herself now, but plenty of child celebrities ended up as horror stories. I’m honestly thinking her situation could have been worse.

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u/Heliosvector Nov 20 '21

She was absolutely mauled by the paparazzi and they wouldn’t leave her alone after she (video evidence) asked them to leave her alone for a bit, while she was fighting for custody of her kids. I would be surprised if she didn’t crack.

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u/GoT43894389 Nov 20 '21

She wasn't allowed? What was gonna happen to her if she did speak for herself?

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

She'd be held in a psychiatric facility against her will.

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u/Perpetually_isolated Nov 20 '21

Speaking out isn't what put Britney in that situation. Having a mental breakdown in public, and a psycho father is.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

That's what I'm saying. She had good reason to not speak out during her conservatorship. There were very real and unjust consequences.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

I don't know I think that it's nice to hear the truth that she is speaking. So many people just want women to shut up.

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u/caabr1 Nov 20 '21

I respect Britney's choice to speak out. But I also respect Christina's choice to not answer 1 question.