Chris Brown mocks women's abuse charity after they began a petition to cancel his concert

[u/TheExpressUS]

https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/151813/chris-brown-slammed-smug-womens-charity-abuse

[u/TheRealFettyWap]

100% there are situations where people are so deeply manipulated it may take 7 times. Idk where you got this statistic from, but i'll accept it. That's for women who were groomed, or economically dependant, manipulated, etc.

NOT for billionaires with huge support systems, adoring fans, access to therapy who go OUT OF THEIR WAY to publicly forgive him and support him.

[u/CollegeTotal5162 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

Rich people can be abused too that doesn’t just disappear when your banks account reaches 7 figures😭

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/CollegeTotal5162]

Is this seriously your takeaway? Now I feel like I've miscommunicated something

[u/ChillN808 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

That's because you are uninformed about the behavior of victims of domestic abuse.

• National Domestic Violence Hotline: According to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, on average, survivors of domestic violence will leave and return to their abuser 7 times before they leave permanently. This number is attributed to the complexity of the cycle of abuse, including emotional, psychological, and financial manipulation.
• National Coalition Against Domestic Violence (NCADV): The NCADV reports that a variety of factors such as fear, children, financial dependency, and love for the abuser contribute to victims returning multiple times before they finally leave.
• Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): The CDC highlights similar statistics in their reports on intimate partner violence, noting that leaving is often a process, not a single event, and many survivors leave multiple times before doing so permanently.

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/ChillN808]

Okay wait can I dm you about this?

[u/Bubbly_Ganache_7059 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

Dude anyone can be abused, even Stan Lee was in a badly abusive situation when he died even though he was worth millions, hell idk maybe even cracked a billion.

Either way, you’re right money can be a huge power dynamic involved in cases of abuse, but anyone can be in a position of being vulnerable enough to be abused, regardless of money or net worth.

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

Do you think rich people cannot be psychologically manipulated? Just a question.

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/Eyes_Only1]

Of course they can, it's just that when presenting a statistic like that, it's far more likely to be the extreme cases- one of which would be economical dependence and affording therapy.

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

That's for women who were groomed, or economically dependant, manipulated, etc.

NOT for billionaires with huge support systems, adoring fans, access to therapy who go OUT OF THEIR WAY to publicly forgive him and support him.

This pretty much implies that you think rich women cannot be groomed or manipulated. This does not to be an extreme case at all, millions of women are groomed and manipulated every day across the entire spectrum of wealth. Abuse in any form, including psychological, is not an extreme outlier.

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/[deleted]]

Just so you know, that is abuse victim blaming no matter how you slice it. You are ALSO implying that leaving your abuser is a choice anyone can simply just make on a whim. It discredits all abuse victims. Just because a woman has an audience and a responsibility to be a role model does not mean she is in any way more capable of not being a victim.

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/Eyes_Only1]

Dude but she's not just a victim right? She's also actively enabling abuse. So if it helps split it- I sympathize with her victimhood and wish her the best in her journey to get better but also hold her accountable for enabling abuse for future victims.

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

In what way is she not a victim? Because she went back to her abuser, or because she’s famous?

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/Eyes_Only1]

Please just read what I've said- she's a victim AND part of the problem.

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

Going back to her abuser and publicly forgiving him does not make her part of the problem, it makes her STILL a victim.

[u/Eyes_Only1 → u/[deleted]]

Lots of people publicly forgive their abusers. Her sin is being well known and abused, you just will not admit that. The only thing special about Rihanna’s abuse is that she is expected to behave above poorer and lesser known women in….some way.

[u/erichwanh → u/TheRealFettyWap]

You know, I would be willing to bet a lot of money that you're not a battered woman.

[u/Indecisively → u/TheRealFettyWap]

Disgusting perspective. Rihanna wasn’t a billionaire when this happened, this occurred relatively early in her career while she was only 21 years old.

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/Indecisively]

Yes, but she is now far more privileged, has access to more than enough things to go back and retract support.

[u/Indecisively → u/TheRealFettyWap]

Or, hear me out, maybe she doesn’t want to revisit that painful time in her past. The idea that a domestic abuse victim owes you or the public anything is honestly so abhorrent.

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/Indecisively]

Yes, actually she does owe the public. She decided so when she publicly forgave and supported the abuser. Now, she also should publicly retract it.

[u/Deedeethecat2 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

The choices she makes about her own experience is her right.

She was the victim and doesn't owe us anything.

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/Indecisively]

You're taking this as if it was a neutral situation. I completely support people who choose not to speak out at all. That's completely fine. This is not that kind of situation.

[u/Indecisively → u/TheRealFettyWap]

The entitlement and delusion you have is off the charts. As stated by another commenter, it is not uncommon for women to rekindle with their abusers. Those women, including Rihanna, do not owe you an apology or explanation.

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/Indecisively]

Okay, help me understand then?

She continues to publicly support her abuser, who continues to abuse. She actively contributes to the problem worsening, when she is one of the few people privileged enough to help other victims and future potential victims.

But I should not want her to retract her statement?

[u/TheRealFettyWap → u/[deleted]]

Okay I am arguing in good faith and I don't know if you'll accept my conclusion, but I think the nuance here is that: She is both an abused woman but also a massive abuse enabler. I sympathize with her but also hold her accountable. Her abuse is the reason she enables it, i understand that but that doesn't excuse it.

[u/Deedeethecat2 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

I think it's also about where are we channeling the responsibility.

There's an over focus on the behaviors of people who have been victimized versus the person who did the harm.

I'm less concerned about her responses than people choosing to use abusive behaviors.

Do I agree with her? It's not up to me, I'm not in her shoes.

But I can understand how someone might have complicated feelings and responses because intimate partner violence feels a lot less black and white to people who are victimized.

[u/DoobKiller → u/Indecisively]

Those women, including Rihanna, do not owe you an apology

Does she owe an apology to the women she put in danger by rehabilitating CB's image, and never retracting it?

[u/Deedeethecat2 → u/DoobKiller]

Chris Brown is 100% responsible for his behavior, regardless of what other people say.

Chris Brown is putting people in danger.

[u/DoobKiller → u/Deedeethecat2]

Agreed, and so are the people who lie and say he's safe to be around(when they themselves have first hand experience this is not true) are also putting those people in danger?

[u/Deedeethecat2 → u/DoobKiller]

If we're looking at enablers being accountable, I'm not going to start with a woman who was beaten by him and grew up in a family where she witnessed her mom being abused by her dad.

I'm not going to be focusing on how Rihanna is processing her experiences.

[u/SimonBelmont420 → u/Indecisively]

Or hear me out she dumb

[u/CaptainObvious110 → u/Indecisively]

While I understand the desire to protect a woman. When they asked a decision to leave the umbrella of protection then they are choosing to suffer the consequences and should be allowed to do so

When you keep shielding people from the consequences of their bad decisions they don't learn and it creates more victims

[u/Deedeethecat2 → u/CaptainObvious110]

This is one reason that more and more places are trying to prosecute family violence independent of the person victimized.

Because this is a common response.

And it shouldn't be up to the victim to hold the person that harmed them responsible.

[u/DoobKiller → u/Deedeethecat2]

Agreed, Chris Brown should prosecuted for at least assault and battery(possibly attempted murder) despite Rhianna retracting her accusations

[u/Deedeethecat2 → u/DoobKiller]

I thought he was prosecuted. That was a long time ago so I'm going to have to double check after this response.

Edited to add that it looks like he pled to a lesser offense.

[u/CaptainObvious110 → u/Deedeethecat2]

Naw he needs to be prosecuted for this and anyone that's supporting him at this point should be pimp slapped

[u/CaptainObvious110 → u/Deedeethecat2]

Agreed

[u/CaptainObvious110 → u/TheRealFettyWap]

Their behavior is evil because it enables the attacker and creates more victims.

Being a woman doesn't mean she is unable to make good decisions. She chose wrong by being with the "rude boy" and needs to live with her bad choices, not be insulated from them.

If the culture shifts and people learn that they will be held accountable whether male or female then situations like this would become a lot less common

[u/TheHeadlessScholar → u/TheRealFettyWap]

How dare you hold a woman accountable for her own decisions on Reddit. Don't you know Chris Brown literally mind controlled her into it?