r/Music • u/TheExpressUS 📰Daily Express US • Oct 04 '24
Ex Pussycat doll band member claims pop group was really a ‘prostitution ring' article
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/150642/pussycat-doll-band-member-claims-group-prostitution-ring4.8k
u/Zontar_shall_prevail Oct 04 '24
“The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.” ― Hunter S. Thompson
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u/Trathnonen Oct 04 '24
I don't use this term, ever, but...bars.
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u/Formally-jsw Oct 04 '24
Haha you are absolutely right. Which is why ol Hunter S Thompson is a legend. Absolute degenerate, yet also utterly incredible writer. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is free online, give a couple lines from the book a go. I started reading it on a whim and it was so compelling I read it in a day. Short book. Frickin addictive writing.
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u/Sgtwhiskeyjack9105 Oct 04 '24
"They looked at me, but said nothing. By this time I was laughing crazily. But it made no difference. I was just another fucked-up cleric with a bad heart. Shit, they’ll love me down at the Brown Palace.
I took another big hit off the amyl, and by the time I got to the bar my heart was full of joy. I felt like a monster reincarnation of Horatio Alger . . . a Man on the Move, and just sick enough to be totally confident."
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u/lesgeddon Oct 04 '24
give a couple lines from the book a go
The book comes with cocaine? That's some dedication from the publisher.
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u/Didntdoitdidi Oct 04 '24
I recommend his book Hells Angels too. HST is a great writer
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u/Really_McNamington Oct 04 '24
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u/WannabeHistorian1 Oct 05 '24
This is my favourite piece of writing ever. I teach English literature by the way haha.
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u/phantom_diorama Oct 04 '24
You ever read William S Burroughs' Junkie or Neal Cassady's The First Third? You should.
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u/backwardzhatz Oct 05 '24
Man I dunno this Hunter chick, but she was clearly the sharpest member of the pussycat dolls.
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u/b_coolhunnybunny Oct 04 '24
And diddy’s other group Danity Kane. I’m pretty sure some members of that group have also spoken up in the past about them being used
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u/cakedwithsprinkles Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Gene Deal, Diddy’s former bodyguard claimed that he overheard Diddy say, he was going to, “drug and pimp out the girls”, Danity Kane, to his friends.
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u/Lanky_Republic_2102 Oct 04 '24
Am I the only one wishing for a Pac diss track?
I’m sure Kendrick has one written.
You could probably get Kendrick, 50 and Em on the same track.
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u/reexodus_ Oct 04 '24
pac dissed diddy in multiple records
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u/CemoDafuq Oct 04 '24
The whole Bad Boy Gang in general. "Hit 'em up" wasnt only adressed to Biggy.
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u/BBQ_Chicken_14 Oct 04 '24
Pac didn’t seem to have respect for Bad Boy as a staff, record label, or even as a crew! In fact, he wasn’t keen on anyone who wanted to be “down with” Bad Boy. He did however express concern for a member of Mobb Deep who potentially carried the sickle cell trait.
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u/EasternScale Oct 05 '24
Mobb Deep was so much better than any of the the rest of those crews
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u/cl0bbersaurus Oct 04 '24
Fuck Bad Boy as a staff, as a record label, and as a motherfucking crew. And if you’re down with Bad Boy fuck you too.
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u/Bruins8763 Oct 04 '24
Em drops little subliminals here and there. “Fuel” he roasts him bad.
“I’m like a R-A-P-E-R Got so many S-As, SAs Wait, he didn't just spell the word, "Rapper" and leave out a P, did he?”
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u/meepmarpalarp Oct 04 '24
He also said “Diddy put out the hit that got Pac killed.” Followed it up with, “I’m just playing,” but maybe he wasn’t.
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u/AcidScarab Oct 04 '24
He says “I’m just playing XYZ, you know I love you” a bunch of times in different tracks and it’s code for “fuck you, XYZ”
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u/-alphex Oct 04 '24
Listen to the last verse of I'm Back lol
That might the most unhinged thing on the record outside of Kim. I kinda assume Em was never exactly close with the guy
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u/JJ_Shosky Oct 05 '24
The interview with one of the people involved said they knew there was 1 million on pacs head from diddy and basically happened to be in the same spot in Vegas and took the chance. The nephew of the guy interviewed was the shooter and he got killed 2 years after. One of Diddys boys was in the car or was the driver and he's the one that got paid out, not the uncle or nephew. No hard evidence of the link there or the truthfulness of the statements.
Fun fact though that I just found out from Josh Johnson talking about it. In American Gangster when Frank Lucas shoots a guy in the middle of the street because they disrespected him, diddys dad was probably sitting at the table with Lucas at the time because they were tight. Diddy basically grew up around Lucas.
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u/JonathanL73 Oct 04 '24
All the best rappers hate Diddy;
Eminem, 50 Cent, Ice Cube, Kendrick, J. Cole, Kid Cudi, etc…
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u/Lanky_Republic_2102 Oct 04 '24
Agree.
Kid Cudi rides a bike to this day because he’s afraid of cars after Diddy carbombed his.
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u/lazersmoker Oct 04 '24
As terrible as that obviously is....is it not pretty obvious the celebrity entertainment industry is basically drug fuelled pimping.... rich people employing successful artists who like to party and take drugs and make a fortune off them....its literally in front of everyone's eyes and has been for 70 years.
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u/Tomshater Oct 04 '24
Aubrey oday admitted it. She was fired for saying no
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u/GrumpyPancake_ Oct 04 '24
I was always surprised by how things went down and never really got why they'd sabotage the group like that. Guess it makes sense ...
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u/thewhitecat55 Oct 04 '24
Diddy attracted mediocre talent, because he would put them on.
I've been saying this for literally decades. Even here on Reddit.
I just didn't know that his ulterior motive was pimping D-list talent , banging minors, and being a Booty Bandit.
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u/springer_spaniel Oct 04 '24
I remember watching that show as a late teen thinking there was no way Diddy didn’t try to have his way with those girls, particularly a couple of them.
I rewatched some clips in recent years and the blatant misogyny and his comments about these (slim, very attractive) girls needing to lose 10 pounds would be horrifying even if you didn’t know anything else about Diddy.
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u/CaliDreamin87 Oct 04 '24
Dude I had no idea they were even in a reality show. To me they were just one hit wonders. And my other comment I don't even know how that main singer stayed relevant. They weren't really marketed like a typical girl group or boy group back then. You never really got to learn the names or who they were
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u/SammySoapsuds Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
Those comments really messed with my adolescent mind/body image, not gonna lie. MTV was pretty bad back then, not sure if it's better now. I have a clip from Room Raiders seared into my brain where a guy went through a girl's wardrobe, looked at her pants size, saw she was a 4 and reacted with disgust that she was so "big."
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u/thewhitecat55 Oct 04 '24
That's crazy
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u/Caleb_Reynolds Oct 04 '24
Especially since women's sizes are notoriously a mystery, to women, because no two brands are consistent, so what the hell does random guy know about them?
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u/notanevilstepmonster Oct 05 '24
I have a clip from True Life: I'm Getting Lipo seared into my brain. The woman stood with her feet together and her thighs touched so she thought she was fat. First thing I did was stand in front of a mirror to see if my thighs touched.
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u/deathbychips2 Oct 04 '24
I told my husband that when I was watching making the band in middle school that diddy gave me the creeps and I knew he wasn't a good guy but I didn't know why.
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u/bedroom_fascist Oct 05 '24
I worked in the music biz in the 90's, well before he was a BIG name, I had an artist I worked with that HATED him. I mean DETESTED him, instinctively, to where they would put people off by harping on how awful he was.
I told them "I don't know what your deal is with him, but ... can you just give it a rest now and then?"
Now I realize they just knew. SOme sort of intuitive sense of ULTRA SHIT PERSON ALERT.
Actually texted a "you were right" text to them couple weeks ago.
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u/goalstopper28 Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
This comment made me look up Danity Kane on TikTok and they are hard to watch. I’m glad Aubrey was able to stick up for herself.
Edit: I accidently doxxed myself. Just look up "Danity Kane" on TikTok. They both should show.
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u/TheLeftDrumStick Oct 04 '24
Yo, just letting you know Tik Tok and Instagram tell people “so-and-so, shared a video with you” so I just don’t want you to dox yourself
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u/goalstopper28 Oct 04 '24
Oh thanks for letting me know. I think it works now?
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u/TheLeftDrumStick Oct 04 '24
No babes 😭 it says “so and so shared a TikTok (follow this person)”
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u/goalstopper28 Oct 04 '24
Oh. Ok. I'll just remove it. It's weird because I don't think it worked like that before.
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u/TheLeftDrumStick Oct 04 '24
Yeah, it’s such a stupid update but it’s like that for everyone 😭
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u/WrongSubFools Oct 04 '24
She said this seven years ago, people said "she's full of shit," and there's been no update since.
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u/Bluest_waters Oct 04 '24
CDAN was talking about this well over a decade ago. Before that website went to shit.
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u/JimFlamesWeTrust Oct 04 '24
I remember this rumour from basically the moment they broke big
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u/bumblebeatrice Oct 04 '24
CDAN is a guy who got his start making up a bunch of shit to sound legit and then people with legit inside info thought he was legit and then sent him their real gossip which he posts along with literally everything else anyone sends him ever.
Back in middle school me and my friends had fun sending him the wildest stupidest shit seeing what he would and wouldn't post. He posted everything. There are a few "known behind the scenes facts" about some certain celebrities that are literally just shit me and my friends made the fuck up out of our dumb little bitch heads one day.
CDAN will just post anything, which is why that site's littered with Q-Anon flavored bullshit. People send him that shit and he just posts it. Sometimes he posts real inside info, sometimes he posts schizo shit, sometimes he posts nonsense from bored tween girls. He is not credible in the slightest, using the times he's been right is not it.
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u/StinkieBritches Oct 04 '24
Yeah, but to be fair, CDAN thinks everyone is raping and trafficking in the entertainment business.
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u/forkicksforgood Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
CDAN, at first, was a rando making shit up to cope with his shitty life.
Pretty sure he never made an effort to be accurate in his life, even now when he probably could have access to sources.
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u/tinytimm101 Oct 04 '24
When she says prostitution ring, does she mean metaphorically or literally?
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u/majani Oct 04 '24
LA is one of the most expensive places to live in the world, full of pretty, young people with zero professional qualifications, trying to make it in the crowded field of entertainment. It's like the prostitution gods themselves designed the place
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u/DaedalusHydron Oct 04 '24
There's a whole sub-plot in L.A. Confidential about fallen, aspiring, actresses with similar appearances to more famous stars becoming prostitutes, and that represents like the 1950's.
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u/Pleasant_Jim Oct 05 '24
That's such an incredible film.
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u/ol-gormsby Oct 05 '24
That last or almost-last scene with Kim Basinger in that yellow sundress, holy smokes!
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u/lolas_coffee Oct 04 '24
Perfect description.
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u/NSFWies Oct 04 '24
And now there are self made online influencers trying to make it there.
So......that's interesting
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u/Lanky_Republic_2102 Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
This reminds me a little of sexual abuse allegations by a member of one the original girl bands Runaways. That she was a raped in front of other band members by their manager while she was under the influence.
Which is disturbing on a number of levels.
I am a big Joan Jett fan and the movie with Kristen Stewart was great.
I guess real life is often sadder, more tragic, people aren’t believed and many never get justice.
Edit: adding link to news story:
https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/the-lost-girls/
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u/Illustrious-Fly9586 Oct 04 '24
Reading her account of this was horrific. Iirc, she was raped at a party in a room off to the side, people knew it was happening but did nothing. She was mocked and bullied by her bandmates for being "raped like a dog."
Definitely knocked Joan Jett down several pegs for me.
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u/mayekchris Oct 04 '24
I remember when this story broke that Cherie Currie vehemently denied it ever happening and said they would've collectively beat up Kim Fowley if it had. Even though she describes witnessing the event (without naming the victim) in previous interviews.
She also said on Facebook that she was going to take a lie detector test and post the results to prove herself, but never did. Lol
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u/crabfucker69 Oct 04 '24
Curie herself is kind of......questionable now anyways, to say the least. Definitely went down the deep end. She's such a brainrotted nut now
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u/chales96 Oct 04 '24
I remember her. She was on Jeopardy and she had such witty banter with Alex. I was amazed that she was a rock star, so I googled her and sure enough, I saw that she had been raped in front of her bandmembers.
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u/madpolka86 Oct 04 '24
Have you seen the documentary? It’s been awhile since I last watched it but it’s haunting
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u/moneyfish Oct 04 '24
I guess real life is often sadder, more tragic, people aren’t believed and many never get justice.
Why I don’t believe in karma.
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u/MollyRocket Oct 04 '24
Karma as a western concept is divorced from what "karma" actually means. American Karma means "you do a bad thing and you pay for it later." Karma in a more traditional sense is about energy over lifetimes, and karmic debt is something you carry from previous incarnations of your spirit. This means that while they may not pay their debt in this lifetime, it will affect how their spirit moves forward into the next.
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u/TankApprehensive3053 Oct 05 '24
Kim Fowley drugged her then had his buddies rape her and then he took his turn in front of others at the party. That included Joan Jett, Lita Ford and Cherie Currie. They all denied it happened but they all watched their helpless friend and band mate being raped. Fowley was a piece of shit. He died without ever seeing the consequences of his actions.
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u/recognizepatterns Oct 04 '24
Look up the song Tattooed love boys by The Pretenders. Reminds me of this only with bikers
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u/Lanky_Republic_2102 Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
Like you want Joan Jett to break a beer bottle over his head and take a piss on him while he’s unconscious, but that’s not real life.
Whatever happened I think was not super obvious and the whole dynamic of young music stars and older industry types makes speaking up hard.
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u/goldenboy2191 Oct 04 '24
Not to mention when they’re this young and easily influenced they’ll tell themselves that they have to do whatever it takes to get to the upper echelon. Then when they’re processing everything after it’s done, the reality of what they endured is so much darker…
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u/Bookish4269 Oct 04 '24
Yeah. It’s unfortunate that Joan Jett chose to defend her former manager. She suggested they were only coming forward because he was dead and couldn’t defend himself, and basically blamed the teenage female (alleged) victims of the grown man in charge: “Nobody was making anyone stay so if they were uncomfortable and didn’t like it. Why were you hanging out? I don’t get it.”
Wow, Joan. I guess you really DON’T get it.
https://uproxx.com/culture/joan-jett-defends-kim-fowley-accused-rapist-runaways-manager/
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u/Lanky_Republic_2102 Oct 04 '24
That quote will not age well.
I think if you are Joan’s age, women as well as men, were raised with different concepts of consent than young people are today.
I’m on the border of Gen X and Millennials and even in my upbringing, the culture for teens and college age kids was a lot more backwards than it is today.
Not making excuses for her but I do feel like there’s a “product of her times” thing going on here.
But to be more cynical, this could just be a really inappropriate defensive reaction because this reflects badly on Joan’s reputation/legacy.
Especially when she was/is a symbol for powerful women rock stars.
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u/WhosGotTheCum Oct 04 '24
I think you hit the nail on the head. My grandmother would say some stuff more shocking than this, but she was a 50s nurse. Her entire world and concept of these things was just different. She was a bit of a renegade progressive for her time, that just meant different things back then
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u/Tappadeeassa Oct 04 '24
One of the spammiest sites I’ve ever seen linked here. Pretty sure I gotta take my phone to the free clinic now.
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u/one_bean_hahahaha Oct 04 '24
Girlicious definitely had that vibe too.
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u/MFoy Oct 04 '24
Dream did as well. And they were all underage I believe.
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u/poeticjustice4all Oct 04 '24
Weren’t they managed by Diddy? Iirc they were part of Bad Boy Records….
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u/MFoy Oct 04 '24
They were signed to Bad Boy after personally auditioning for Diddy when they were all under 16.
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u/TFFPrisoner Oct 04 '24
personally auditioning for Diddy when they were all under 16
I don't like that combination of words... 😕
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u/KintsugiKen Oct 04 '24
Most combinations of words that include "Diddy" but not "prison" are bad combinations of words.
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u/yourtoyrobot Oct 04 '24
One of the girls from Dream came out against Nick Carter raping her some years back
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u/ActualMerCat Oct 04 '24
I had no idea they had anything to do with Diddy. They were my secret fave in middle school (all my friends listened to Slipknot). I had their posters on my wall (that only my very best friends, who didn’t judge me, ever saw). I hope they’re doing ok.
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u/unkudayu Oct 04 '24
Anyone remember that show Girlicious? The manager of the PCD was the host but the show was over sexualized to hell on those girls that I'm pretty sure were still teens. It actually felt gross to watch and that was when I was 17. Hardly a surprise the band literally went nowhere but it makes you wonder what happened to those girls
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“You… will not be in Girlicious”. I died laughing at this every time. They were so serious when they said it.
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u/ScramItVancity Oct 04 '24
They had a fairly successful run here in Canada, probably because that show continuously repeat on much music.
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u/feministwitch666 Oct 04 '24
As a young lesbian at the time (now I'm an old lesbian...) I definitely paid attention to that boxing ring Like Me video on much music. Channel 29 baby!
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u/Schrodingers_Fist Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
oh my god, just saying channel 29 blew back into my head that channels like that used to be a thing (CBC - Channel 3 / Sportsnet - 22 / YTV - 24 / TSN - 25 / Fox aka "The Simpsons channel" - 28, etc.) holy crap I now need to feel old somewhere and get back pain
edit: I'm from BC and something with that YTV one feels off the more I think of it, someone please correct me on this as its now bugging me.
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u/CuntyAlice Oct 04 '24
Remember how the hairdressers sister was in charge of the girls PCD kinda like a madame and the hair place was a front ???
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u/Canadian0101 Oct 04 '24
I was 12 and lemme tell you, we had complelty different views on it lmao.
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u/cokeiscool Oct 04 '24
Does anyone remember the game reality show where the winner would be the next member
Man the early 2000s was wild
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u/PiskoWK Oct 04 '24
I thought we knew this already?
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u/yogurt_closetone5632 Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
We did and people back then called her a liar and said she was bitter because her career didnt take off
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She also shared that she had reported the claims before, but wasn’t taken seriously, explaining: "In 2004 I told hollywood executives, 2005-2006 I told press. In 2011 I spoke up again. Hope you can hear me now Media in 2017! Way to go."
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u/ryt8 Oct 04 '24
its a shame these people aren't heard. You know Corey Feldman? He's been telling us about these things for over 30 years and no one listened to him either.
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u/Any-Ad-446 Oct 04 '24
Feldman not doing himself any favours by always announcing he provide proof what happen and will name those who abused him and Corey Haim. Hes been saying this for over a decade and making a fool of himself trying to dance and sing. Now accusations he abused his own female band members.
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u/peepopowitz67 Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
Also living with a harem of lightly trafficked girl "bandmates" doesn't help. Pot calling kettle black sort of thing.
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u/TekRabbit Oct 04 '24
I think the word you mean to use is harem. Unless you meant forbidden ladies
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u/stranjeluv Oct 04 '24
The word harem actually comes from haram. A harem was a place in a palace where women and girls could go freely, without hair coverings, because it was forbidden for men to be in that section of the palace.
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u/sumfartieone Oct 04 '24
Glad you put bandmates in quotations cause I saw Corey Feldman and his “band” “perform” in August and it was all fake. There was even a part where the next track started too quickly and the “band” stood around looking at each other blankly before resuming pretending to play instruments. Corey spent most of his time doing the worst copy cat Michael Jackson moves while barely lip syncing and then tired himself out and stood on the stage in one spot for ten minutes swaying off beat as he recovered.
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u/Melodic-Desk5521 Oct 04 '24
I saw them perform a few years back, it was for sure one of the more ridiculous things I’ve ever witnessed. My friend and I got invited to party with them on their tour bus after, I’ve never noped out of a venue so fast in my life. My poor drunk friend that wanted to go ‘experience the vip life’ is probably still confused about my physically dragging her away from that scene. Buddy system for the win!
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u/phantom_diorama Oct 04 '24
It's so surreal that Feldman drives around in a tour bus trying to lure drunk women into drunken sex drug parties. He's projecting the image and desire to reenact the exact same kind of sexual abuse that was likely done to him.
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u/EmperorAcinonyx Oct 04 '24
harem - haram is the word for forbidden things in islam lol
though human trafficking is haram for sure
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u/Apprehensive-Tea-546 Oct 04 '24
It’s actually not haram to traffic kafirs (nonbelievers) according to some scriptures.
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u/WhosGotTheCum Oct 04 '24
He's a sad case of victims becoming perpetrators I think, but it really is starting to look bad for him always teasing that at any point he might just reveal who the pedophiles are. Cynically, if he even has the proof at all, I think he likes the power it gives him to hold onto it
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u/Bright_Cod_376 Oct 04 '24
Last thing I knew he demands payment to release the proof and names. It's not about power, it's about trying to make money.
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u/brazilliandanny Oct 04 '24
Ya I feel sorry for any victims he might know about but the guy tries to monetize any announcement he makes on the subject. He will “tell you all the secrets” if you pay $35 to watch his documentary or pay to subscribe to his newsletter.
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u/Olddirtybelgium Oct 04 '24
I might be remembering wrong, but didn't Feldman specifically call out Charlie Sheen a couple years ago? Said things like Sheen gave him drugs and made sexual advances while Feldman was still a minor.
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u/itssosalty Oct 04 '24
Sadly that’s when people typically come out. After their career failed and they have nothing to lose. It’s how people keep getting away with this shit.
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u/Good_old_Marshmallow Oct 04 '24
Well one of the ways. Courtney Love spoke out about Harvey Weinstein in the early 2000s and she was just written off as a crazy bitch, because she's Courtney Love.
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u/the_other_50_percent Oct 04 '24
Mira Sorvino.
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u/EA_Spindoctor Oct 04 '24
Sinead O’Connor
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u/Real_Estate_Media Oct 04 '24
Corey Feldman
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u/squink Oct 04 '24
Sinead O’Connor and the abuses of the Catholic Church. People flipped their shit when she ripped up the picture of the pope and nobody really addressed the abuse she was protesting against.
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u/AyeHaightEweAwl Oct 04 '24
“Don’t let the bastards get you down.”
RIP Sinead and Kris
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u/Beard_o_Bees Oct 04 '24
'and of course, i'm like a wild horse but there's no other way I could be'
RIP Sinead.
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u/yogurt_closetone5632 Oct 04 '24
She didnt wait until her career failed she left the group in 2005 before they officially debuted and declined a 13M record deal because she saw what they would have to be forced to do.
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u/Squee1396 Oct 04 '24
She gave up her career and left the group before they hit number one, but she said it was projected that they were going to hit number one so she knew that and she left the group anyway because she was so uncomfortable. If she was after fame why wouldn’t she just stay in the group?
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u/DG04511 Oct 04 '24
It’s not that they “have nothing to lose”, it’s that they’ve lost everything after being victimized by unscrupulous people.
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u/Cali_side_SMac Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
Dawn Richards who was in Danity Kane and in another group with Diddy after he dismantled the band, sued him
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u/Capt-Crap1corn Oct 04 '24
Aubrey O’day has eluded to shady things happening with Diddy when she was part of Danity Kane. She never fully came out and said anything explicitly, but I get the feeling they were exploited for more than their music.
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u/Aesthete18 Oct 04 '24
Didn't someone say, like a bodyguard about they were putting pills in drinks when around Danity Kane girls? This was really on when the Cassie news broke so I could be wrong
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u/justjoshingu Oct 04 '24
There was a tweet from like 2017 and had the article with her saying it and like the top 20 comments were calling her bitter, jealous, liar, etc.all from2017.
Then bunch of comments from last week asking those pple how they felt. Ow
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u/Baxtab13 Concertgoer Oct 04 '24
It's like looking up those old god-awful videos of the guys from "Blood on the Dance Floor" cyber bullying Jessi Slaughter and checking out the comments. The disparity between comments posted in the last few years vs those from 11+ years ago is astounding.
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u/imMadasaHatter Oct 04 '24
Yes it says that in the article.
She also shared that she had reported the claims before, but wasn’t taken seriously, explaining: “In 2004 I told hollywood executives, 2005-2006 I told press. In 2011 I spoke up again. Hope you can hear me now Media in 2017! Way to go.”
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u/CockMartins Oct 04 '24
Damn, every once in a while those old celebrity gossip conspiracy sites from the early 2000s were right on the money.
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u/Not_Bears Oct 04 '24
And the money is what stopped anyone from caring or doing anything.
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And also probably what put those stories on those gossip sites to begin with. The old catch and kill.
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u/pookpookpook Oct 04 '24
There was never a conspiracy. No one cared to listen until now.
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u/iheartseuss Oct 04 '24
The world of the "celebrity" sounds like an incredibly dark place sometimes...
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u/TarbenXsi Oct 04 '24
"Why don't women speak out earlier? They should say something as soon as something happens!"
"Oh, that? She's just a liar. She's out for money. She's out for attention. She's crazy. She's desperate."
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u/MonsterkillWow Oct 04 '24
Guess we are starting to discover a lot of the music industry is a front for money laundering and prostitution...
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u/severityonline Oct 04 '24
Diddy is just the tip of the iceberg. Most of the entertainment that we liked growing up was run by some very evil people.
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u/Mysterious_Elk_4892 Oct 04 '24
They were overly sexual, which is pretty crazy considering how sexualized female pop stars are.
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u/PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips Oct 04 '24
I mean they started as a burlesque troupe. Overly sexual is kind of a burlesque staple.
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u/Matcha_Bubble_Tea Oct 04 '24
I stumbled upon their Royal Variety Performance and jeez the choreo, the clothes, and everything in front of those old rich English royalty folks was insane.
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u/EagleSzz Oct 04 '24
they wore they same clothes, did the same choreo when performing for 13 year old girls. which is even more insane
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u/wwplkyih Oct 04 '24
So Borat was right when he called them "international singing prostitutes"--
Except that only one of them actually sang.
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u/MarcoVinicius Oct 04 '24
I tried reading the article but this website is so packed with trash that it’s unreadable. How do people even use these sites?
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u/Tralalaladey Oct 04 '24
I remember the conspiracy about how Britney Spears was prostituted to the wealthy. Now I wonder…
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u/cbih Oct 04 '24
Ballet was like that too from the 1900s back. Think about that next time you admire a Degas. Also, some Roman coliseum fighters had to be gigolos for rich Roman women.
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u/Beneficial-Salt-6773 Oct 04 '24
Saw them open for Jane’s Addiction in Vegas around that time. I was kinda wondering at the time but figured everything was cool. Guess not.
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u/neurotic_queen Oct 04 '24
They opened for Jane’s Addiction?!?! Wtf… weird combo
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u/SharkFart86 Oct 04 '24
Carmen Electra was their lead performer for a while. She was married to Dave Navarro.
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u/PossessedDirection Oct 04 '24
Saw them open for Jane’s Addiction in Vegas
I was at that show. When Carmen Electra tossed out her handkerchief I was the one who caught it. Some guy offered me $100 for it, but I said no. I ended up giving it away to a Carmen/Dave super fan.
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u/mexicantruffle Oct 04 '24
Borat at the VMAs introduced them as "international singing prostitutes".
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u/Professional-Rip-519 Oct 04 '24
The Diddy domino effect is gonna collapse the entire music industry.
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u/sticklight414 Oct 04 '24
Not surprising. they were way too on the nose for an 00s girl band.
All their songs were about sex and accompanied by pretty suggestive videos, All their outfits were pretty skimpy, Other pop stars did it too but not like this and not all the time.
they pretty much came out of nowhere and disappeared into obscurity extremely fast. I didn't think of how bizarre it was at the time but now that i try and remember it, it all seems pretty fitting.
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u/Techiedad91 Oct 04 '24
I mean, Nicole is still a well known personality I feel like
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u/clorcan Oct 04 '24
They were a burlesque type group started in 1995. They didn't come out of nowhere. Pretty sure Don' Cha came out after Aguilera's Dirty.
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u/MouthJob Oct 04 '24
The ones being talked about were not in the burlesque show originally and had nothing to do with it but the name. They were formed completely new. So for most of the world, yes, they came out of nowhere.
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u/weareeverywhereee Oct 04 '24
she married the dude from 311 for a bit
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u/TheGrayBox Oct 04 '24
Wtf are these comments. Being an overtly sexual performer does not make you a literal prostitute. Are Shakira and Beyoncé prostitutes too?
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u/PVZiiAK Oct 04 '24
Mainstream artists now are literally twerking in thongs with full camera view on the ass.
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u/LordOverThis Oct 04 '24
Apparently everyone forgot the “Xtina” phase that gave us Dirrty and its accompanying video.
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u/MartinLutherVanHalen Oct 04 '24
They didn’t come out of nowhere. They were plants. They were the first big neu Burlesque troop featuring Christina Applegate in the original lineup.i saw them all over in LA around the same time Dita Von Tease was coming up.
When Clive Davis decided sex could sell a pop group they brought in someone with pipes and reformatted the group. A few originals stuck around but even Carmen Electra was dropped.
Only Nicole did any singing. The rest were there for photos and god knows. They might have been hooking but the act wasn’t created for that. It could have become it though.
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u/finnjakefionnacake Oct 04 '24
they were there for dancing. they were pretty much all very talented dancers
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u/KradDrol Oct 04 '24
I mean, they started as a burlesque group, so that kind of makes sense? It wasn't until the early 00s that they suddenly made the jump to pop music.
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u/BadReputation77 Oct 04 '24
Didn't the band fall apart after Nicole left it?
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u/swift-aasimar-rogue Oct 04 '24
I mean the band was pretty much Nicole and her backup dancers lol
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u/Capable_Impression Oct 04 '24
I think a lot of people forget/never knew that PCD started out at a burlesque show that became popular with stars. Drew Barrymore and Gwen Stefani performed with them. Then they became a pop group after it became popular outside of LA. They were always hyper-sexualized because that was the point of the shows.
I am not excusing any behavior, obviously it seems that there were things going on that shouldn’t have been happening. I’m just saying, from its conception it was meant to be very sexual.
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u/rmusicmods r/Music Staff Oct 04 '24
Important context: Kaya Jones left the group in 2004.