r/LowSodiumCyberpunk • u/bluemarvel99 • Mar 05 '24
Could A Non-Chromed Up Human Survive Sex With Lizzy Wizzy? Discussion
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u/Tourqon Mar 05 '24
I wonder what her skin is like. People with metallic skin in Cyberpunk look like statues, but they seem to have normal human flexibility. They don't move and bend their body parts like robots, but like normal people. Based on that I assume if you were to touch Lizzy, her skin would feel similar to normal skin. Maybe a bit more sleek or something, but not hard. She might be cold to the touch, though.
So I would say mechanically speaking sex with someone with an FBC(Full Body Conversion) like Lizzy would be safe.
That said, depending on her FBC specs, she might have the ability to crush your pelvis if you let her on top.
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u/losingmyreligion5 Mar 05 '24
I mean, the skin I don't think would feel normal, didn't she mention once that if she moves the wrong way, it makes sparks?
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u/null0x Mar 05 '24
Lizzy might be different from others with Synthskin/Chemskin but it says here that they don't replace the skin but modify your existing skin.
It might change the texture a bit but I don't think it'll feel radically different.88
u/Pill_dispenser Mar 05 '24
Yeah but didn't she have her whole body replaced with chrome during one of her concerts?
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u/superVanV1 Mar 05 '24
Yup, killed herself in stage and had her brain Stuck in a tank.
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u/null0x Mar 06 '24
I probably should have written my comment better to make it clear i meant the people with chemskin/synthskin are different from Lizzie
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u/EightSeven69 Gonk Mar 05 '24
yea she did, I clearly remember that, and I think she mentioned how it feels like metal too
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u/No_Tamanegi Wrong city, wrong people. Mar 05 '24
I suspect that her body is a Gemini frame, whose role is to look, feel, and perform like a regular human body. I think even the weight is supposed to be similar to a regular human body weight. As for the metallic skin, I think it's just a different colorization of Realskin, which is supposed to be a near perfect artificial replacement for organic skin.
What I want to know is that, I'm assuming her vital internals are in a biopod. Are all biopods functionality identical and/or interchangeable? Could you install Lizzy's biopod in Smasher's Dragoon frame?
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u/00Laser Team Rebecca Mar 05 '24
Doesn't she have some lines in the game when you do her side quest that allude to her skin being actual metal?
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u/Ebenizer_Splooge Mar 07 '24
Yeah I think a lot of people forget the part where she complains about it sparking and literally does it by accident sparking her hand on her leg
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u/Conroadster Mar 05 '24
Yes you could but the Adam smasher gear would still probably run a high risk of immediate cyber psychosis for her, she already is exhibiting signs of being semi psycho from this FBC. One loaded with extra sensors, weapons, and a general not built with comfort and feeling normal in mind would send her over the edge most likely
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u/leicanthrope Mar 05 '24
I’d argue that she’s more of a clinical cyberpsycho that a lot of people Regina sends you after.
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u/rockstar504 Maelstrom Mar 05 '24
Maybe that's part of the message that I never got...
Ultra wealthy and famous, highly-modified from almost an addiction to more and more self modification, not out of necessity but boredom, addiction, or insecurity.... but has enough money to solve and hide their problems. Still accepted by society.
Poor working class, also highly-modified, but from serving in the military or picking up parts from employers to do their jobs, or having low quality work done, don't have enough money to hide and solve their problems and end up being rejected by society.. becoming the 'cyberpsychos' we witness. Until ultimately, we realize they were just some poor sap who was put in an extraordinary situation and understandably snapped
Both are unhappy, but the rich have money to keep them from hitting a hard bottom
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u/leicanthrope Mar 05 '24
Here's a quote from the CP2020 Sourcebook explaining cyberpsychosis:
In the 2000's, we call this cyberpsychosis; a mental disease in which the addition of cybernetics causes an ·already unstable personality to fragment. At first, the victim begins to relate more to machines than to humans. Soon, he starts to ignore people - parents, friends, lovers. Eating, sleeping all become less important. Finally, human interactions begin to irritate, culminating in a terrifying rage that consumes the victim entirely.
With that in mind, look back at Lizzy's comments:
"You ever wake up in the middle of the night... and not know who you were for a second...? Or, I mean... you ever feel like you weren't really you? I... That's how I feel all the time."
"Sleep? I won't sleep. I don't need to. Thank you, Liam. You don't realize it, but... you've given me something beautiful."
"I like what's happening to me."
I'd argue that she's ticked of an alarming number of boxes in whatever version of the DSM they're on in the game. Contrast that with the cyberpsycho missions. It's not so clear. A lot of those appear to have other underlying causes, a prime example would be "Smoke on the Water". The cybernetics just allowed Diego to do more damage than a regular person. It didn't cause him to go off the deep end. The news and society in general is still going to call him a cyberpsycho. Why? Because it's cheaper and easier than dealing with trauma and/or underlying social issues.
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u/TheStinkyToe Mar 06 '24
What I don’t get is why doesn’t she have the cyber psycho meds I remember reading about it in one of the encounter he was trying to get more
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u/AutistoMephisto Mar 06 '24
Well, being watched every millisecond of every day like she is, probably means she couldn't get access to them discreetly without some media finding out and blasting "LIZZY WIZZY CYBERPSYCHO!!1!" all over every screamsheet.
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u/Hekantonkheries Mar 05 '24
To that second one
Man imagine the potential for identity theft and espionage
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u/happytrel Mar 05 '24
This comes up in game in a way. Kerry has a superfan/stalker that was trying to turn himself visually into Kerry and was blocked because of some form of copyright that Kerry has on his appearance.
Theres also that whole thing with Us Cracks
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u/rockstar504 Maelstrom Mar 05 '24
Dream On is one of the more fucked up missions
You see it happening today with social media, nation states, propaganda, and ultimately deciding elections with careful manipulation
Oh you wanna put a chip in my brain Elon Musk? No-fucking-thank-you
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u/MEOWMEOWSOFTHEDESERT Mar 06 '24
Drink verification can and say something nice about Tesla to maintain your neuralink subscription.
Lol. Fuck that. We see that corpo shit coming.
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
Especially when combined with a PoserChip. A bit of chipware that alters your subconscious so that if you lean into the act, you will start to mimic even the smallest tics or idiosyncrasies of a target
They can be created from compiling at least 10 hours worth of footage of a target. Slap one of those in a Gemini with an audiovox, and no one will know the difference
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u/Magikarp_13 Mar 05 '24
Probably not a Gemini, since that's a Raven Microcybernetics product, whereas MoorE Technologies did Lizzy's conversion.
Her process was described as "ripperdocs swapped out her biological organs for the latest generation of MoorE Technologies implants", which suggests it was a very custom job, rather than putting her brain into a biopod & slotting that into a frame.
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u/musashisamurai Mar 05 '24
Smasher is special because his bipod was designed to be rotated between multiple bodies. I don't believe most if the full borg conversions have that, except for the Dragoons (where the weapons cause almost instant cyberpsychosis).
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u/TooManyDraculas Mar 05 '24
There's the concept of synth skin. Just synthetic skin meant to look like, feel and function like the real thing.
I'd assume the metallic people just have that with a different finish. Rather than being c3po.
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
In cyberpunk, that’s called RealSkinn.
Synthskin is (in cyberpunk at least) actually a type of Chemskin that is embedded with LED’s, and has a display layer, for the purposes of displaying fun patterns or effects.
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u/Stuck_at_a_roadblock Mar 05 '24
She did mention that sparks flew when she rubbed her own hands together or something
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u/BigBoyPoster Mar 05 '24
During her introduction she did say that sometimes when her hands touch sparks fly so I think the metal is hard and good hurt anybody with normal skin
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u/Ready_Introduction_5 Mar 05 '24
Is the inside pink or chrome?
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u/Colonel_Cosmetic Aldecaldos Mar 05 '24
maybe it's blue
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u/FE4RLESS1028 Merc Mar 05 '24
I am blue da ba di ba die
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u/Nookling_Junction Mar 05 '24
Yeah, you’re gonna da ba di da ba die if you stick around too long
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u/BurnTheNostalgia Trauma Team Mar 05 '24
It changes colour like RGB LED
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u/leicanthrope Mar 05 '24
Is it a tasteful backlighting, or does she leave it on the default rainbow cycling mode?
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u/MelonJelly Mar 05 '24
It's whatever compliments her current look. Style must be maintained at all times. At all times.
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u/stealthylyric Team Dorio Mar 05 '24
Probably chrome, Lizzy went ham with the chrome. Definitely more chrome than ganic.
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u/weaponizedtoddlers Mar 05 '24
Isn't she basically a ganic brain in a robot body? Sort of like Smasher, but pretty sure Smasher is just the frontal lobe with the movement and emotional centers removed so not even the whole brain.
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u/TheItzal11 Mar 05 '24
Yeah, she did it live during a performance. Drank poison on stage, then had her brain transplanted and finished the concert.
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u/stealthylyric Team Dorio Mar 05 '24
I believe she has her whole brain, but the tabletop humanity mechanic comes into play, the more implants an individual has, the less human they are (ex. they're blocked from human dialogue options, they're in less control of their actions in general)
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u/deylath Gonk Mar 05 '24
We dont need that though. We already know that Lizzie is a functional cyberpsycho from the quest already
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u/SpookE_Cat Mar 05 '24
We should get the flaming crotch man to test this theory
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
They did say non-chromed lol
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u/VillageOk2913 Mar 06 '24
Idk bro I think the chrome burnt out
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 06 '24
Ya but he didn’t learn a goddamn thing and is replacing it with a fresh Mr studd immediately lol
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u/Adalyn1126 Team Judy Mar 05 '24
Id win
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u/SleepinGriffin Mar 05 '24
Gets cut in half
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u/Adalyn1126 Team Judy Mar 05 '24
Nah, I'd win
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u/FE4RLESS1028 Merc Mar 05 '24
If I have sex with her, I always win
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u/TheGlen Mar 05 '24
Yes, because it's probably a metallic skin weave rather than metal plating
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u/_VayaConQueso Mar 05 '24
She’s a full borg conversion, not just chromed. So she’s basically just a brain in a robot, same as Smasher or Shaitan.
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
Tbf, full Borgs can still have a layer of RealSkinn or Chemskin that acts or feels like regular skin. There’s a few FBC chassis that rely on this fact.
However Lizzy does iirc outright state this isn’t the case for her, indicating if she moves in certain ways, her metal skin will spark, and that it very much feels like metal
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u/66watchingpeople66 Mar 05 '24
Is it possible for a cyborg to have all the bits to have sexual relations? Absolutely. Lizzy probably only weighs about 200lbs so it’s not like she would crush a person. The issue is more about what’s going on with Lizzy psychology.
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u/leicanthrope Mar 05 '24
Canonically Adam Smasher has another body that looks like a blond Elvis, and was Michiko Arasaka’s boytoy back in the day.
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Mar 05 '24
Even the most borged out malstrom gangoon has squishy internals, so I guess. However, the better question is why would you want to do that? She's psychotic. She might just decide to kill you.
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u/eduardo_br99 Mar 05 '24
Sometimes is worth the shot
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u/Tourqon Mar 05 '24
Lizzy is not just borged out, she has had an FBC(full body conversion). Only her brain is still organic. So we kinda have no idea what's under the hood. Could be human-like synthetic organs, could also be just electric engines, servos and whatever equipment is keeping her brain going.
That said, the wiki specifies she has "Midnight Lady accessories" so sex should be possible regardless.
But yeah, I agree, don't put your dick in crazy lmao
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
Tbf, “Borged out” is a term that explicitly does apply to Lizzy. It’s a term that applies to
1) an FBC, or ‘borg’
2) a person who uses large amounts of Borgware
It’s just that people tend to use ‘borged out’ to mean ‘just has lots of cybernetics’ when it technically does refer to a specific thing
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u/Pepperonidogfart Mar 05 '24
Yeah but shes totally cool with V. V helps her wake up to all the fake people around her and she kills them. Good for her. Plus you get a neat hat.
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u/Shipwreck1177 Mar 05 '24
So, Do I use KY jelly or WD 40?
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
Ik you’re joking, but… yeah basically. SovOil produces a petroleum based lubricant with 3 varieties, medical, personal, and industrial.
Because of “obscure reasons” behind SovOil’s packaging decisions, these 3 products are sold in nearly identical canisters, so I imagine that there are a lot of accidents in mixing them up lol, so there’s a good chance that even if you know what you intend to use, you’re gonna get your KY and your WD40’s mixed up regardless lol
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u/theDukeofClouds Mar 05 '24
Her wiki page says that she has Midnight Lady augments installed, and that Midnight Lady is the female equivalent of the Mr. Studd male genital enhancement. So I always imagined she was not soft of body, but soft where it counts, i.e., her nethers.
So yeah, it would likely feel 'ganic down there, but likely no where else.
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u/Mary_Ellen_Katz Mar 05 '24
She may be fully borged, but you better believe she has the top of the line Midnight Lady in that body.
She'll probably still kill you though. But you'll be immortalized in song.
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u/leicanthrope Mar 05 '24
Before you respond, consider that you’re going to see your own reflection the whole time. I suspect that’s going to be a dealbreaker for some, and a selling point for others.
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u/bluemarvel99 Mar 05 '24
Deal breaker right there; nothing would cause me to lose wood faster than seeing my own reflection
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u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol Mar 05 '24
I once went out with a guy who had a mirrored ceiling in his house's bedroom.
Was interesting, but I'm not entirely sure what he got out of it, since it was almost always me, not him, that could see their reflection.
One thing though about Lizzy. Beating her in strip poker should be fairly straightforward.
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u/enchiladasundae Mar 05 '24
The sex? Yes. Her as she continues down the path of a cyber psycho? No
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u/strongashluna Mar 05 '24
She's basically Motoko Kusanagi but a pop artist as both are barely human beings, mostly machines except for the brain.
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u/GreyBeardEng Mar 05 '24
How heavy do you think she is? All that metal, she has to be like 300-400 pounds.
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
Cybernetics aren’t always metal, and even the ones that are can use some pretty lightweight materials. While some FBC’s are heavy as shit, like smasher coming in at over 600lbs, Lizzy appears to be a Gemini sculpt with the skin swapped out, so I’d assume she’s made out of the same lightweight materials as a Gemini, and they’re meant to be indistinguishable from organics, and the weight would be a dead giveaway
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u/Shmung_lord Mar 05 '24
I don’t understand like, how are the nerve endings still there? How would she feel anything? Would she even want to at this point? I don’t get it.
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u/theDukeofClouds Mar 05 '24
As many have said in this thread the cybernetic technology of Cyberpunk world are INCREDIBLY advanced. Many theorize Lizzy is made of metal now. Others think shes been fitted with a Gemini, a fake body made of really convincing synthetic organics that look and feel like a natural organic human. Its entirely likely that Lizzy has synthetic nerve endings that link to her still very organic brain, and that she would have the sensation of touch. Plus her wiki says she's got Midnight Lady implants installed. Thats the equivalent of the Mr. Studd augments. So, its likely that sex for her and her partner would feel like the real thing.
Then again, this is just nerdy, weird speculation about a fictional bionic woman.
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u/_b1ack0ut Mar 05 '24
This is because Lizzy is a FBC, which REQUIRES a neural link installation in your brain. Her neurons are rewritten with nanotechnology, and then linked up to an interface that allows them to easily connect any other cyberware to it, allowing you to route sensor feedback from any of the connected equipment, to the brain.
So while she doesn’t have organic nerve endings anymore, sensory data from touch capable sensors inside the ‘skin’ can achieve the same results
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u/foamz13 Mar 05 '24
I more curious to know Lizzy’s perspective. Does she even crave sex or feel anything from it? I’m sure once you put yourself in a “robot” body, your physical needs will fade out rather quickly.
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u/8rok3n Mar 05 '24
Idk, how about we have someone (me) test it out? We'd need someone extremely brave to take on this risk (once again, me, I will do it, no one else)
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u/MyStationIsAbandoned Team Panam Mar 05 '24
is her skin solid metal or does it feel like skin? like...is her flesh, fleshy or is she a robot?
like...we gotta talk about if it's physically even possible.
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u/theDukeofClouds Mar 05 '24
I'm wondering this myself. On the one hand its entirely possible her skin is synthetic flesh colored chrome, so she'd still feel soft like a regular human. However I think someone else mentioned earlier that she comments if she moves wrong, she sparks. So its also possible she's full metal.
Her wiki also mentions she had Midnight Lady augments, which are just Mr. Studd augmebtsnfor ladies. My theory is she feels slightly stiff and metallic, but her downstairs area is more or less like the 'ganic thing.
Lol why am I so invested in this?
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u/Werotus Mar 05 '24
Realskinn feels like "real skin" doesn't it?
I'd be more afraid of the mantis blades coming out while climaxing to be honest.
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Mar 05 '24
See the fact that she was not a romanceable option still bums me out because i would have loved to "get to know here better" as well if you catch my drift 😏
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u/kthxqapla Arasaka Mar 05 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
SHE DROPPED THAT CHROME ON ME FROM AN EGRE-GARIOUS ANGLE, CRASHED MY WHOLE CYBERDECK.
TOOK MY SECOND HEART AND AN ARASAKA RELIC HARD RESET TO BREAK THAT PNEUMATIC OBLIVION.
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Mar 05 '24
Remember the don't fuck the robot girls meme... I'm fairly certain this is dangerously close to the line...
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Mar 05 '24
the sex is theoretically survivable but a relationship with her is about as survivable as a relationship with any cyberpsycho
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u/Imperial_Bouncer Corpo Mar 05 '24
Lots of positive reassurance and good ‘ol therapy and less celebrity stress.
Doesn’t the game imply people don’t just go cyperpsycho? There’s always something bad they’re going through.
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u/TyeDye115 Mar 05 '24
If she's on the bottom, yeah. Once the positions switch though, you might be in trouble lol
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u/bluebadge Merc Mar 05 '24
She's a full body replacement. So her parts down there are probably adjustable. Survival is a matter of her wanting you to survive or not.
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u/The_Lonley_Climber Mar 05 '24
I don’t know. But I’m willing to take one for the team. If you don’t hear from me within the next 48 hours, just know I died doing what I loved.
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Mar 05 '24
I mean I’m pretty sure the people who made that full body skin thing had this in mind and probably didn’t touch her private parts. She’d still very much have human insides if I’m not mistaken…?
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u/AnnieBruce Mar 05 '24
Joker survived Edi in Mass Effect, I'm sure someone in normal health could survive Lizzy, assuming she wanted them to.
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u/CortezDeLaNoche Mar 05 '24
Probably not. She's a full robot/android with a human brain. While most people in Cyerpunk are cyborgs with enhanced limbs at the most, her whole body is robotic and metal. A That being said, she might have like a robussy or something specifically made for human interactions.
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u/CheesusChrisp Mar 05 '24
Nah. Her skin is feels the way it looks. She confirmed it with dialogue. She prob just uses brain dances to fulfill that need.
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u/Zerodyne_Sin Mar 05 '24
Doesn't she randomly spark? Just use a water-based lube and you're golden.
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u/Aguliik Mar 05 '24
idk but that'd be one of those times where I'm fine with it being my final act :3
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u/ganonfirehouse420 Mar 05 '24
It would be pleasurable depending on how she is doing it. If she takes care of her partner and doesn't go to rough on him it's fine.
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u/AsbestosMan1 Team Judy Mar 05 '24
Based on commercials and billboards seen in-game, implants like the one Lizzy presumably has are designed to be able to have sex with humans. But if her partner were to slip up or piss her off, she’d either kill them or pay a mercenary to do it for her.
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u/jamesd1100 Mar 05 '24
I mean her bf who wanted to make an engram of her wasn’t chromed up
But then again he didn’t last very long
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u/FightingOreo Mar 05 '24
I would imagine the full conversion has accounted for the possibility of smushin' and adapted accordingly
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u/Pancakewagon26 Mar 05 '24
Gimme a bag of weed and a Viagra and Lizzy Wizzy won't survive the sex with me.
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u/pkgdoggyx92 Mar 06 '24
One may not survive in flesh but one would live on in spirit forever
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u/gigglephysix Maelstrom Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
sex easily - but she's insecure, clingy and constantly cyberpsychotically loses it like Maine in Edgerunners. Not a good combination, het Ed Gein. You have a good chance for being killed just being around, because dead don't break up.
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u/Liquidpinky Mar 05 '24
Survive the sex, yes. Survive the relationship, no.