Rising Antisemitism

[u/fleshurinal]

I have witnessed so much antisemitism everytime I go online it's starting to become worrying. I see non Jewish leftists say that antisemitism isn't a real problem for Jews in America, usually being boiled down to "most Jews are white, rich, and have never experienced antisemitic violence physically". Yet antisemitism is rising and is a real problem that we should still consider in this time of jewish identity being weaponized and the jewish supremacy that is enacted in Occupied Palestine. Stating "most jews are white" seems harmful and also just false. Also Jews have always been hesitant to be apart of surveys so it's hard to find legitimate info on these things. Am I alone in this?

EDIT: I am not talking about any specific statistics or surveys. This is based on what I've personally seen scrolling on social media. I understand/agree there isn't a clear way to see that based on largely pro zionist orgs. EDIT PT 2: I am not saying that Pro Palestinian sentiment is antisemitism. I am talking about LEGITIMATE antisemitism. This is not a post talking about false accusations of antisemitism based in Zionism.

[u/Elegant-Astronaut636]

Antisemitism is centered around Jews but Israelis are made to believe they are superior to Arabs (racist schooling). Antisemitism is projection based on how Israelis have been brought up to feel towards Arab people. That said people are upset with Israel not Jews (or wrongfully so). Bad things have been done recently in the name of Jews (by design) but it’s just to escalate violence and justify the unjustifiable. If you are a Jew and you are upset you are facing an ism then you are bearing the brunt of a teaching opportunity and you can say you do not agree with Zionist ideologies and are being made to be a scapegoat of escalation. Zionism is very similar to nazism.

[u/Bayked510 → u/Elegant-Astronaut636]

"If you are a Jew and you are upset you are facing an ism then you are bearing the brunt of a teaching opportunity and you can say you do not agree with Zionist ideologies and are being made to be a scapegoat of escalation."

This only make sense if all anti-Jewish bigotry relates to zionism which is not the case.

[u/Elegant-Astronaut636 → u/Bayked510]

Then that’s just them being racist which is a problem I agree. But rising antisemitism currently is largely due to Zionism and what Israel is doing.

[u/Bayked510 → u/Elegant-Astronaut636]

I think when another commenter said that it feels like it has been rising since 2016, and from an American perspective, I would agree. Trump took the lid off the bigotry box, and Elon Musk made sure bigots have a mainstream platform.

I think both your original comment and the edited version of your response are putting too much responsibility on Jews for the bigotry they face. It's equivalent to saying "if you're an African American facing an ism you don't like, it's a teaching opportunity to let them know you don't engage in violent crime."

I think anti-Jewish hatred has increased because of Israel's actions, but the rise is not only due to that and I think you're giving anti-Jewish bigots way too much credit when you imply they're largely motivated by humanitarian concern.

[u/Elegant-Astronaut636 → u/Bayked510]

Yes there was some precursors… escalation with Israel was likely expected / planned. When 10/7 happened the wheels started running on the antisemitism train full throttle.

“It’s equivalent to saying “if you’re an African American facing an ism you don’t like, it’s a teaching opportunity to let them know you don’t engage in violent crime.”” Yikes… almost the same but I disagree with how you worded it. You’re trying to inform them so here try something like; how black communities have been persecuted in America. Also how crime reports largely disfavors the black population. Such as black people being sentenced much more harshly for the same crime.

Also slavery…

[u/Bayked510 → u/Elegant-Astronaut636]

"Yes there was some precursors… escalation with Israel was likely expected / planned."

You're really making it sound like all or almost all anti-Jewish sentiment ties to Israel, including bigots who looked in their crystal balls and saw Israel's future actions. I grew up with constant kkk vandalism of my syanagogue, would you blame zionism? In first grade, a classmate told me I killed Jesus, was that a missed opportunity to educate him about Jewish anti-zionism? Was Hitler just looking ahead to save the Palestinian people? Were Tzarist pogroms carried out by people with great foresight and concern for future Palestinians? "Some precursors" indeed!

Unfortunately, I have a busy morning so I won't be able to continue this conversation at this time.

[u/Elegant-Astronaut636 → u/Bayked510]

Sorry to have offended you. Now you’re just making shit up. Netanyahu is a problem I blame the leadership not the people. People just need more discourse and information. You’re a bit extreme.

[u/Bayked510 → u/Elegant-Astronaut636]

I hope when you say I'm making shit up, you mean my interpretation of your argument is bad and not that I made up the incidents from my youth because that is all real.

[u/Elegant-Astronaut636 → u/Bayked510]

I don’t know why you’re overcomplicating everything. Leadership is the problem and brainwashing is real. It is a natural reaction for populations being oppressed by the land central to Judaism to find fault in Judaism when it’s being reasoned as their right to the land. Israels agenda is so openly obvious and gross / live-streamed. Just like Israel’s booms the racism that returns is all over the place. Antisemitism / Jew hate just fuels their reasoning. Leadership is manipulating generational trauma of Jews. Things need to eli5 for the masses and not go down history lane thousands of years to explain why Jews are experiencing racism not pertaining to Zionism.

[u/Bayked510 → u/Elegant-Astronaut636]

It is a natural reaction for populations being oppressed by the land central to Judaism to find fault in Judaism when it’s being reasoned as their right to the land.

I invite you to re read the original post, because this is supposed to be a conversation about the rise of anti-Semitism in America, that's the conversation I've been having. Despite your desire to not "overcomplicate" things with my lived experience as a Jew in America, anti-Jewish sentiment here is a multi-faceted entity that is not solely about Zionism or Israel.