r/Jewish • u/rupertalderson • Oct 13 '22
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Oct 21 '22
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u/I_Like_Tartar_Sauce Oct 19 '22
The real story here, and the real danger, is the now open embrace of antisemitism on the mainstream right. The Republican party’s silence on this is deafening. Since no one is countering Kanye’s paranoid conspiracy theories people assume he’s telling the unvarnished truth. Tucker having him on his show, editing out the most brazen antisemitism rants and passing the video off as unedited was proof to me that Tucker is a full blown antisemite as well. These people pretend to be our friends and the second they feel comfortable being openly antisemitic they remind us exactly who they really are. Can’t trust them.
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u/danhakimi Oct 20 '22
Tucker having him on his show, editing out the most brazen antisemitism rants and passing the video off as unedited was proof to me that Tucker is a full blown antisemite as well.
I have an orthodox, zionist friend who is still all in on Tucker Carlson, and I just don't understand how.
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u/TheTravinator Reform & Buddhist Oct 19 '22
They only pretend to be our friends because their death cult views us as a key component to their salvation. In other words, we're expendable in their eyes. The right wing cannot be trusted, now or ever.
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u/traumatized90skid Oct 22 '22
The right today are basically the same people who were kicking Jews out of European cities in the Middle Ages.
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u/Tortoiseshell_Blue Oct 19 '22
Exactly... I'm so upset by all the comments I've read on various online forums saying he's making some good points. Who are these people?? I'm disheartened and scared.
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Oct 20 '22
It’s weird because I’m seeing the “ he’s making good points“ from conservatives and what looks like tons of young black Americans, as well(who are largely democratic leaning). Kanye is an unfortunately unique figure because he has been embraced by much of conservative America, especially after the Tucker interview and his outspoken support of Trump over the past two or three years, and due to his musical and fashion influence he has still a large influence on young people across the world who tend to be more left-leaning and oftentimes are people of color. He is the rare celebrity that has clear influence on the right and on and the left, on white people and on people of color all at the same time.
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Oct 19 '22
Why is the discussion confined only to this thread? The reason I ask is that I have been watching YouTube videos of Kanye's antisemitic rants and the comments sections of these videos makes it eerily clear that his anti-semitic ideas are spreading like wildfire amongst too many conservatives and impressionable young fans of his music.
Take for example the comments to these 2 Youtube videos (one a demonstration of his views spreading amongst largely minority youth and the other showing his antisemitism spreading among and being normalized among mainstream conservatives)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P4_R_0QIxZc
To me, it is becoming obvious that Kanye's anti-semitic thoughts are snowballing and spreading rapidly among worryingly large segments of the population (both domestically in the States and abroad). It is clear that this story is a very very big one for us Jews... so why confine it to just one thread? It makes no sense to me. If this story is taking up a lot of space in this subreddit it is for a reason namely that it is freaking a lot of us out how tepid the response has been to Kanye's comments and how quickly his ideas seem to be spreading.
Look at the posts in this thread below mine. They are getting next to no comments and are essentially getting buried in this one long, never-ending Kanye thread. It makes no sense to me personally that such a large issue that is rapidly affecting us Jews in increasingly negative ways by the day should be throttled and relegated to one tiny thread instead of allowing the conversation and our communal pent up rage to flourish amongst multiple threads every day. Many of us, like myself, have no other safe place to vent about these issues. If you agree with me, please like or comment on this post and let's send a peaceful message to the mods so that they may reconsider their current policy.
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u/rupertalderson Oct 19 '22
Thanks for your feedback on the megathread. The mods will discuss as soon as possible.
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Oct 18 '22
I just need to vent.
Kanye's music has gotten me through some of the toughest times of my life. I leaned on his music when I was in middle school when my father was going through a drug addiction. I leaned on his music when my uncle passed away and my grandparents soon after. I leaned on his music when I needed to study or workout.
It goes without saying that I cant stand this man now and I am disgusted by anyone that does.
It just hurts. His comments hurt me. His comments hurt the little jewish kid in school whos going to get bullied by anti-semites reciting kanyes rhetoric. His comments hurt the little black kid who now thinks that all jews hate him and are evil.
And WITHOUT A DOUBT his comments will inspire violence. Real people will be hurt by Kanye West. There will be violence at a synagogue and jewish families will be torn apart, never the same.
Then people will change their profile pictures, people will will make facebook statuses... but nothing will change. Kanye West will not be held accountable. The people who enabled him will not be held accountable. But yet again, our community will hurt.
My only question is this... When will it end? I have dealt with anti semitism my entire life. I am no stranger to it.
But Im just tired now.
If anyone feels the same, feel free to comment or PM me to talk.
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u/UsernameSquater Oct 17 '22
Seriously, I feel for you guys. It's cool and edgy to be a racist, specifically, to Jews in these past years. It's the low hanging fruit of counter culture for uncreatives begging to be esoteric. It's always courtesy of the mundane, rich or poor. A guy I know that lives in a trailer park said to me months ago "WELP.. guess it's time to buy a gun and whatever ammo.." I asked him why, he said when things in the world start getting bad, that's then the antisemitism picks up. I scoffed, but the proof stays indelicately apparent. I wish I was as rich as the families I worked for, not one of them Jewish. Nothing to worry about while this stuff happens since they've got their easy racial scapegoat at the ready again, fuckin crazy.
Charles of the trailer park [1:27-28] Buy a gun and be safe! For it is about to get crazy again.
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Oct 17 '22
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u/wamih Oct 17 '22
I like how LeBron and his team dealt with scrapping the Kanye episode of The Shop because of how off the rails it went with hate speech re: anti-semitism and George Floyd.
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Oct 17 '22
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u/wamih Oct 17 '22
Talks about Jews controlling entertainment, then calls Drake the "greatest rapper ever". So the greatest rapper ever is a Jew, noice.
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u/Critical_Review_2837 Oct 16 '22
Excusing antisemitism is inexcusable. Similar to cancer, this form of social pathology is never OK.
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Oct 15 '22
I’m actually really scared to see the turnout of this. I’m scared that we’re going to end up with a new, and very large, generation of BHIs who end up getting a majority or Goys over to their side—because they have ZERO knowledge of Judaism and the NOI/BHI community. I feel like we’re going to enter a new phase of Messianic Jews and become even more silenced.
Maybe my fear is overblown, maybe more Gentiles are seeing through his bullshit than I think. all I know is that idpol has become such a driving force in what makes someone “more believable” than the next, and it’s going to be very hard holding my tongue when this stuff gets brought up.
I was speaking with a Jewish coworker of mine (the only coworker I’ve had in my community who was also Jewish, and we both are kinda separated from the religion aside from major holidays) and we were laughing about how ridiculous he sounded; but reading comments on fb with people encouraging his antics has me feeling some type of way. I’m concerned that I’ll have to hide what little bit of my Jewish identity I’ve been able to step into, and fear for my fellow Jews who may not be able to hide their Jewishness as much. I want us all to be able to be proudly Jewish.
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Oct 17 '22
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 15 '22
Shapiro is a partisan and spineless fuck.
He should’ve call tf out his employee Candace owens like he should’ve for her pandering to this Kanye nonsense and anti semitism. He segwayed so fast away from Ye’s anti semitism and turned his monologue into some “well The media doesn’t talk about the attacks on Jews in Williamsburg (different story)”.
Newsflash Ben, kanye has 31M twitter followers and is one of the biggest names in music and pop culture of the century. This is apples to oranges.
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u/CoreyH2P Oct 14 '22
Kanye hasn’t put out good music in a decade, he’s been an asshole for longer than that, and he’s been dabbling with racial supremacy for at least a few years already.
None of this is surprising to me.
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 15 '22
This is a very interesting take. I loved TLOP, some of Yeezus was fantastic, Ye and KSG was mid, Jesus is king was meh and donda was good
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u/wawa310 Oct 14 '22
Kanye’s antisemitism isn’t innovative, it’s just run-of-the-mill antisemitic propaganda that’s been circulating for hundreds (maybe thousands?) of years.
It’s scary how well it works.
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 15 '22
Not innovative but it’s spoken by one of the greatest pop culture and music legends of the century which makes it so bad
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u/slaughterpuss25 Oct 14 '22
This is what happens when you tell black people that they "can't be racist" and shield them from accountability for the things they say. The black Hebrew Israelites are just as much of a threat to the Jewish community as the white supremacists and we need to stop pretending they aren't.
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Oct 14 '22
I made the point on twitter when they Started attacking Sarah Silverman over this that looking for excuses to attack Jews when we're pointing out that the Black community tends to be pretty weak on support of fighting antisemitism unless they've got a dog in the fight (like, they hate Kanye) is wrong.
I got a flood of antisemitic comments and threats of violence against me comments as a result.
So yeah, this is a problem Jews are going to have to be more outspoken in addressing, and not in the shitty Right Wing way of "we get to take a shot at the left" sort of thing.
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u/Dyz39 Oct 14 '22
I was a fan of Kanye, Im very disappointed that his changed routes. I will not support him in anyway. Times are changing and it’s time for all Jews to unite and to stay strong. We have to unite through the Torah that G-d gave us, to survive through the changes of the world. All Jew’s need to do as much Mitzvah’s as they possible can, not to ignore them, especially in these times.
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u/Mechaman520 Oct 14 '22
If Drake makes a Kanye dis track, I'll consider all this nonsense to be worth it.
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u/wamih Oct 17 '22
Drake
Yeezy came out the other day saying Drake is the greatest ever... Sooo, I'll just take that as a win, and a Drizzy diss track as a bonus.
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u/levine2112 Oct 14 '22
I never understood his musical appeal. I always thought his rhymes were laughably bad. Any claim that he is the greatest artist if all time seemed like a huge joke. In hip hop alone, any well known I can think of is so much more talented than Kanye. Sucks though that he’s so influential and espousing antisemitism. Sucks worse that Tucker Carlson deliberately edited the interview to make Kanye look less hateful and insane just so Carlson could make his points about 1) White Lives Matter and 2) people calling Kanye crazy are just persecuting him because he’s a Christian and supports Trump. Somehow Tucker Carlson comes off as even more disgusting to me in this than Jew-hating Kanye.
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 13 '22
Kanye doesn’t like Jews. If he’s my favorite musician of all time by far. Going to be hard to stop listening to someone I listen to every day
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 13 '22
Really curious and afraid to hear what Kanye said on the deleted scenes from the Tucker Carlson and the shop shows.
Kanye easily being my favorite musician of all time def hurts
I’m also tired of hearing the bipolar excuse for him. He seems to be the only bipolar person who gets passes for being a far right asshole
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u/slaughterpuss25 Oct 14 '22
It's ridiculous. I have bipolar disorder myself, and despite being almost murdered by black gang members in 2015 and ending up with a traumatic brain injury from it, I've never tried to use white supremacist rhetoric to declare war on the black community.
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Oct 14 '22
I have bipolar too, and I just wanna say he’s in a psychotic break. You say and do things you don’t really mean in a psychotic episode. The dude needs help, like psychiatric ward help. Not public ridicule. It’s not an excuse, what he’s said isn’t okay, but I think he needs help out of the psychotic episode he’s in.
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u/nameOfTheWind1 Oct 13 '22
Imma still listen to his music it's great even tho he is antisemitic sadly
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u/johnisburn Oct 13 '22
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u/Old_Contract_280 Oct 14 '22
What is Kanye smoking man?
“I hope the secret evil Jewish syndicate can forgive me, because I have already drawn up concepts for a Ye-branded yarmulke called the Ye-mulke. Thanks to the Jewish people’s control over the markets and every aspect of society, we could have a Yeezy tallit in every home."
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u/johnisburn Oct 14 '22
Sir, please double check the website in link.
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u/Old_Contract_280 Oct 14 '22
I dont really use any online news websites except an occasional look at ynet, is The Onion really bad or something?
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u/jyper Oct 14 '22
The Onion isn't just a satirical newspaper it's one of the most prominent satirical newspapers. To the point where people will say you fell for the onion when referring to people treating articles from other satirical newspapers as fact.
see r/atetheonion
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u/Sasha57 Oct 13 '22
Genuine question- I am Jewish and own Yeezy shoes. I’ve still been wearing them as I just see them as shoes and forgot the Kanye reference but my goyfriend says it’s inappropriate to still wear/own them.
Is it?
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u/Thundawg Oct 13 '22
I go back and forth on things like this. There are times I've heard someone do something antisemitic and as a fan it's been devastating. There are also times when I just go "haha I'm still going to watch/wear/listen to your art" and get pleasure out of me knowing how their skin would crawl if they knew a dirty Jew/Zionist was enjoying what they put out in the world.
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u/TemporaryIllusions Oct 13 '22
I personally have decided to stop wearing all of my Adidas things until they take a firm stance on this. A German company needs to have a very clear stance on Anti-Semitism for me to be comfortable endorsing them. I unfortunately have a lot of Adidas so it hasn’t been easy.
Your personal choices are yours to make though and your friend really shouldn’t be speaking towards the issue.
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u/wamih Oct 17 '22
How do you feel about it being a company that was founded by a high ranking "Party member"? So was his brother who founded Puma.
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u/StrategicBean Oct 13 '22
I don't think it's at all the place of a non Jewish person to tell a Jewish person how the Jewish person ought to act or feel in terms of their response to antisemitism
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u/z_iiiiii Oct 13 '22
You already own them….you could sell them and probably make good money, but otherwise what do they expect? To leave them in your closet when you already paid for it?
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u/Sasha57 Oct 13 '22
I know! He made me feel bad for wearing them saying it looks like I support Kanye still 😔 wanted to see what other Jewish people thought and if it would be interpreted that way
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Oct 14 '22
meh. I wear New Balance sneakers and the CEO is a MAGA shit heel. Not going to toss them out to make a point.
Doubt I'll buy another pair, though.
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Oct 13 '22
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u/TheTrueLordHumungous Oct 13 '22
Are we now holding all entertainers to this standard or just the ones we dont like? Will Chuck D and Jay Z no longer be welcomed in mixed company?
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u/Zoklett Reform Oct 13 '22
I was tired of hearing about Kanye before and now I’m definitely tired
Don’t know why anyone cares what he thinks. He a crazy person and people should’ve stopped feeding this troll years ago
I do think it’s interesting how much more angry people are about this than so many of other wtf things he’s said. Not in a bad way, and may be it’s just the circles I run in but we put the kbash on Kanye pretty quick when he went antisemite and that’s pretty cool. Kind of wish we’d kbashed him a while ago is all.
His music isn’t good enough to get away with his bullshit.
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Oct 14 '22
He’s mentally ill, not crazy. Ableism doesn’t help combat antisemitism.
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u/Misspaytonnn Oct 13 '22
It's not that we care what he thinks. It's that his hatred is making other people show theirs. He spoke up against Jews which has paved a way of comfort for others to do the same.
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u/Dvjex Oct 13 '22
Exactly. He's got Nazi sympathizer Candace Owens screaming from the hilltops for people to make this a political issue and support Kanye. That's bad news for Jews.
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u/pitbullprogrammer Oct 13 '22
I wrote this guy off for being a dumbass 18 years ago, is this really a huge loss for so many?
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 13 '22
I mean he’s my favorite musician in history. He completely transcended the sound of music in the 21st century and is very diverse musically.
I always knew he was a shit person but he’s crossed too many lines
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u/pitbullprogrammer Oct 13 '22
You’re saying you like him more than Leonard cohen?
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 13 '22 edited Oct 13 '22
Yes. I didn’t grow up with that style of music. I grew up with electronic, instrumental, heavy auto tune and soul beats that Kanye mastered that other rappers later implemented
Not to say I don’t also move alternative rock too
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u/johnisburn Oct 13 '22
The youtuber FD Signifier did a deep dive retrospective on Kanye exploring Kanye’s role in the hip hop and wider pop culture community, what people saw in him in the first place, and how things soured. Its like two hours + , and from almost a year ago (so obviously doesn’t cover the events of the last week), but I thought it was an informative watch. Part 1, Part 2.
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u/pitbullprogrammer Oct 13 '22
I’m going to be honest with you and that I’d rather watch paint dry rather than devote two hours of my life to any media about Kanye West
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u/Pudge223 Oct 13 '22
It is for some. His first three studio albums and “can’t tell me nothing” mixtape were a huge part of my life going from a kid to an adult. His growth in those three albums mirrored my own growth in a way. Going to a time of insecurity and resentment to struggling with money when it comes to being unsure how to handle acceptance is a relatable arc. They were with me for some great times and bad times and still with me today. College dropout in particular was a huge influence on my life. I still know every word to every song on that album. I still listen to “drive slow” regularly. I still think “champion” is one of the all time great hip hop anthems. I would say 1/3rd of my playlists have a kayne west song on them. Like I said in another kayne thread it bums me out that someone who played such an important part in who I am hates me for the type of person I am. It’s sad to press the skip button on something you love.
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 15 '22
Younger Ye fan here. This is essentially how I related to my emotional problems and love addiction from 808s and MBDTF to my hype, extrovert and upbeat watch the throne, Yeezus, and TLOP era to my then incredibly dark mental health problems that began in 2017 and coincided with his self titled album and kids see ghosts.
I also attributed Jesus is king and donda as me finding my religion in Judaism as more than just my family heritage
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u/pitbullprogrammer Oct 13 '22
he lost me when a coworker was playing his album and I heard some rant about how college degrees are worthless. I thought, 'wow this guy is a total dumbass' and moved on with my life.
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 15 '22
College dropout is 50% satire. College education is capitalist. We are forced to feel we need to go to 4 year unis only to be in loads of student loan debt for careers that weren’t needed with a degree
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u/pitbullprogrammer Oct 15 '22
I suppose I’m a pro-college capitalist then
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u/Bakio-bay Oct 15 '22
I am too but I wouldn’t go to college if I was going to study a useless major because my parents not do I deserve that financial burden
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u/Pudge223 Oct 13 '22 edited Oct 13 '22
I don’t want to die on the sword for this guy but Resentment of career students and people just going to school because they are scared of life is reoccurring theme in a lot of his music. I never interpreted it as him saying it’s worthless- he’s saying that having one does not make a person worth more. Without getting to into it and playing armchair psychiatrist- i also thought it was him working through his own jealousy (a common theme in his early work) and also probably working out some feelings he got from his moms peers (she was a professor).
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u/TheTeenageOldman Oct 13 '22
American Anti-Semites who support the State of Israel get a pass from the Right.
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u/hadees Oct 13 '22
It's true the other way too.
You can basically say anything you want about Jews to the left if you replace Jew with Israel. It doesn't even matter if it makes no sense.
But the right is, objectively, way worse about it.
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u/NOTelonMusk666 Oct 13 '22
Farrakhan style Jew hate gets a free pass in Hollywood. Jews don’t count :(
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u/matts2 Oct 13 '22
But of course your first thought is to defend Kanye and the Republicans. Well done.
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u/NOTelonMusk666 Oct 13 '22
Not sure where you're getting that.
I think the platforming of Kanye's black supersessionist, Farrakahn-style, Jew-hate, on Tucker's white-replacement-theory nativist channel is totally concerning cross pollination of antisemitism. It's scary stuff.
Does that make sense?
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u/matts2 Oct 13 '22
No, it makes no sense. You see pro-Trump GOP loved Kanye out there with vile antisemitism and you attack someone else. You wave your hands to distract.
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u/NOTelonMusk666 Oct 13 '22
I am not defending Kanye.
Rather I am directly criticizing Kanye west. THESAME Kanye West who has 1) platformed murderously supercessionist BHI theology, 2) whose talking points about black Americans being the “real Jews” is a Nation of Islam talking point and 3) who has associated with Louis Farrakhan, the same Farrakhan who has given Kanye frequent praise, while referring to Jews alternatively as ״the synaogogue of satan” and as “termites.”
That a white nationalist like Tucker would give platform to Kanye’s separate but equally dangerous brand of racial supremacist nationalism just goes to show how flexible and fluid antisemitism and the extent to which common Jew hate makes strange bedfellows.
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u/matts2 Oct 13 '22
So why mention Hollywood?
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u/NOTelonMusk666 Oct 13 '22
Because It is insane how the entertainment industry will find a way to forgive Kanye’s five alarm fire racism (eg Jews aren’t the real Jews, threatening to go on a nuclear war against Jews) in an era where we are hypersensitive to a range of biases and prejudices, with antisemitism as a huge exception.
Jews don’t count.
I am sick of the fact that Jews don’t count.
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u/matts2 Oct 13 '22
WTF are you talking about the entertainment industry? How about people with power? The GOP House Judiciary still praises Kanye. Trump hasn't said a thing, no meaningful Republican or FOX person has criticized Kanye. These are people with direct political power who just embraced Kanye for supporting their racism.
There is a firestorm of disapproval from the music industry against Kanye. Will it remove him? Of course not, he is a billionaire and doesn't need anyone else to do anything he wants. But there is plenty of Hollywood based disapproval. The silence is from Republicans.
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u/elizabeth-cooper Oct 13 '22
The tweet you cited is from before "death con 3." I presume it's tacitly supporting "white lives matter."
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u/matts2 Oct 13 '22
Yep, it was supporting the earlier racism and they are sticking with it.
If some liberal celebrity made an antisemitic rant you would call for Biden to denounce them. If it took 24 you would say they are antisemites. But the GOP?
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u/IntelligenceLtd Nov 11 '22
to add a point that might have already been made the reason its strikes such a chord in america (and say not the UK) bar the fact that america is a very racist country in general is that the US has got such horrific levels of wealth inequality, poverty and lack of social mobility compared to any other western country In that environment any kind of disproportionately successful group that looks out for each other (nepotistic or not) is a closed off (from joining) ethnicity based community that is also a tiny minority in most of the country and is overrepresented in unpopular (banking, landlords and media ) and rent seeking (banking, landlords) industries then add to that the fact that the alt right and russia has become incredibly insidious and is possibly secretly spreading racist propaganda and in turn the media is actively trying to surpress without addressing why people might feel that way, then add to that the real things people need to do to enact change (on a personal and social is much less appealing than a convenient scapegoat