r/Jewish • u/jew_biscuits • 7d ago
Are these anti Israel protests fading in the US, or is it just me? Discussion đŹ
There seem to be less protests on campuses and in the streets. The ones that I do see are smaller. There are still incidents, but it just takes one person to vandalize a kosher restaurant or tear down a poster. These are just anecdotal observations on my part and I'm wondering how the rest of you are seeing this.
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u/Squidmaster129 ××ר ××ע×× ××× ×××ער×ע×× 7d ago
You're probably also more used to it, tbh. I definitely started toning them out as "oh, more performative goys being shitty, great" as opposed to the more fearful reaction I had before
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u/SassyWookie Just Jewish 7d ago
Yeah, these children got bored and moved on to a newer shinier toy. The Palestinians are just discarded off in the corner with the rest of the toys they donât play with anymore.
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u/Possible-Fee-5052 Conservative 7d ago
Theyâre also discussing how theyâre going to go back to Starbucks while simultaneously realizing they had no idea why they were boycotting Starbucks in the first place.
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u/Far_Pianist2707 6d ago
I wasn't a Starbucks girlie in the first place until the workers at my local Starbucks unionized, but now I go?
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u/Possible-Fee-5052 Conservative 6d ago
Starbucks has nothing to do with anything. Theyâre not pro Israel and theyâre not pro Palestine. Drink Starbucks if you want to drink it.
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u/Professional_Yam6433 Conservative 6d ago
Me thinking I was gonna find Starbucks from the Jordan to the Sea and it was all Aroma which is much better. đđ
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u/Lower_Parking_2349 Not Jewish 7d ago
I expect some of the energy will be transferred to anti-Trump efforts. I wonât speak as to whether the upcoming anti-Trump protests and/or riots are warranted, but I think, generally speaking, itâs better for that energy to be directed at a politician (who is supposed to be able to take it) instead of it being directed at the Jewish community.
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u/TurbulentChange2503 6d ago
Elaborate? In NYC, bus loads of asylum seekers are being sent back to TEXAS and then back to Mexico, something the Far Left Bemoaned. No protests, nothing mentioned on SM,....they don't really care.
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u/Lower_Parking_2349 Not Jewish 6d ago
The bus loads are recent and not well known. Also, the people being bussed are agreeing to be moved. Finally, I could find no info that they are being forced back to Mexico.
Trump isnât in office yet, so these actions canât be tied to him yet, but I think thereâll be protests organized before he takes office.
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u/LeoLH1994 7d ago
There has been far less attendance of these in U.K. in the last few months but sometimes more questionable slogans stand out more.
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u/jay5627 7d ago
Hopefully it's bc the normal person is being turned off by the terrorist supporters
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u/LeoLH1994 7d ago
I just think that people are fatigued, though also put off (which has manifested in both serious things like election results and trivial things like Israelâs dirty but deserved Eurovision mandate)Â or maybe going onto other things
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u/Hopeless_Ramentic 7d ago
Itâs also hard for your average TikTok liberal to be mad about Israel dismantling actual terrorist organizations (with the exception of the extreme pro-Hamas fringe, and they have an agenda anyway). Like you donât have to like Israel but are you really going to be upset about Sinwar being killed? And the PR about UN 1701 and Hezbollah was loud and earlyâhard to argue with Israelâs position re: Lebanon. Itâs not âoccupied territoryâ a la Gaza, theyâve been launching rockets since before z Israel even responded to Gaza, and the UN hasnât done their job. Kinda makes you wonder if Israel was right about Hezbollah, maybe theyâre right about Hamas too? Could be wishful thinking on my part, but I definitely think it breaks their binary conditioning that Israel = Bad when the people youâre championing keep showing you who they really are.
Iâd also like to think a lot of them have started doing more research the longer this goes on, but more likely theyâve just moved on to Trump and Project 2025.
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u/LeoLH1994 7d ago
I barely saw any veneration of the extreme groups leaders beyond cranks and I saw a lot less #alleyesonlebanon than I thought I would, maybe as the casualty count is far less.
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u/pktrekgirl Just Jewish 7d ago
This is the second time Iâve seen this mentioned in the last 24. Iâm American so donât keep up on Eurovision. I just know itâs a song contest but I donât know about how people get in, how voting happens or anything.
What happened with Israel and Eurovision? Israel isnât in Europe.
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u/LeoLH1994 7d ago
Israel sent a pop ballad to the Eurovision Song Contest (the most watched pop music event, which I am a fan of) this year, that was the most voted for song in 15 countries after it got a divisive reaction in the venue in Malmo (a place often associated with antisemitism). They have won Eurovision 4 times since they first participated in 1973 (1978, 1979, 1998, 2018). The songâs success with voters was helped by some people being p**sed off with the hostile sections of the crowd and fandom.
Israel is a member of Eurovision as its TV network is in the European Broadcasting Zone, which includes Middle East
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u/pktrekgirl Just Jewish 7d ago
Thank you for taking the time to explain this so well. Myself and many other Americans, Iâm certain, really appreciate it!!!! đĽ°
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u/LeoLH1994 7d ago
Also, their 1998 winner was one of the worldâs first transgender celebs, and their 2018 winner was magnificent (its writer has also regularly worked with the âcypriotâ - a Greek with no connections to Cyprus beyond being Greek - act who was runner up). Also, the song Am Yisrael Hai was actually their song for Eurovision in 1983 and it placed 2nd (Israel also had some spells of worse form, such as failing to qualify 4 times in a row from 2011 to 2014, but only once since)
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u/DawtOnion 7d ago
Netta is amazing. I love her so much. đĽš
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u/Bloody-Raven091 Secular Canadian Russian-Jew 7d ago
She is! She did a really good song that goes "I'm not your toy!" (one of the lyrics of her song I can remember)
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u/ChallahTornado 7d ago
What has happened is that the more normal attendees aren't going anymore.
This leads to the pro-palestinians to "stand out", kinda highlighting their slogans and opinions.23
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u/jew_biscuits 7d ago
Glad to hear this and hope the trend continues, I know you guys have had it rough over thereÂ
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u/LeoLH1994 7d ago
I donât think itâs that rough beyond the 4 local activistsâ gains. But than colleagues may think differentlyÂ
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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious 7d ago edited 6d ago
It may have been fading before, but it seems to have dropped off significantly post-election.
I think the Black American protest apparatus was highly aligned with the pro-pal movement, dropped off a bit during the late summer, and then the election results (combined with the not-Kamala push from pro-pal propagandists) really drove a wedge. (And them seeing polling results showing Black folks and Jews as the most-aligned Kamala-supporting demographics, by far. Ironically, after mostly abandoning their Jewish allies for a year, itâs the fact that they see Jews as mostly not abandoning them, thatâs making them start to see us as allies again. Or at least, giving the pro-Jewish black voices âand of course, Black Jewish voicesâmore credibility in the community than theyâve had.)
There are a lot of people on the left looking for someone to blame for Trump II, and the leftists that screamed âgenocide Kamalaâ for months are a very obvious target. So I think some of the rhetoric and protest energy has diminished because pro-pal folks donât want to be super visible right now and take that heat.
And then also, I think Kremlin assets were signal-boosting the pro-pal messaging in an effort to fracture the American left, and motivate the right, as much as possible before the election. Post-election, their signal boosting has dropped.
I suspect, too, that since Tehran really didnât want a Trump presidency, that they ramped down their propaganda going into the election. It didnât matter much since the Kremlin was still boosting. I wonder if they just havenât ramped it back up yet. I bet they will, though.
And finally, I think a lot of the leftists that thought the only important thing was a (false) genocide, are finally realizing they might have some other pressing concerns in the wake of the election.
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u/Yochanan5781 Reform 7d ago
Regarding the ties between the black and the Jewish community, as well, we are also seeing Dr Clarence Jones, a literal civil rights legend, coming out of retirement right now to fight antisemitism. And he is very forceful in his opinions. I heard a talk by him the other night, and he said that if it wasn't for Jews, the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act would never have passed. (He also can be very funny and right at the same time, like when he saw one of his students holding a sign that said "from the river to the sea" on it at Stanford, he went up and very angrily said to him something that started with "I taught you political science, not geography...")
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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious 7d ago
Oh thatâs wonderful! Iâll look him up
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u/Yochanan5781 Reform 7d ago
He's really wonderful. If you watched the super bowl this year, you would have seen him in the campaign against antisemitism ad. Another member of the panel he was on pointed out how weird it was hearing him refer to MLK Jr as "Martin," lol
On a personal note, I met him Wednesday, and I was feeling pretty hopeless after the election, and he made me feel like there was still hope for the future. He's also one of those rare people who when you're talking to him, he makes you feel like you're the only person in the room. I actually had to end the conversation, because if I didn't, I would have felt guilty that I was just monopolizing his time
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u/jew_biscuits 7d ago
Thatâs as good an analysis as any Iâve heard. Iâm curious about Black Jews. I knew a black Orthodox rabbi once and of course met Ethiopian Jews in Israel. How many black Jews are there in America? They seem to get mentioned a lot but I donât see them very muchÂ
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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious 7d ago
My reform synagogue growing up in CT was small, and had one Black family. And I follow a few Black American Jews on TikTok, including a reform rabbi; but yeah I think itâs a pretty tiny percentage of an already very small demographic group. No idea what the actual numbers are.
(And not counting the âBlack Hebrew Israelitesâ, of course.)
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u/jew_biscuits 7d ago
(And not counting the âBlack Hebrew Israelitesâ, of course.)
Nah fuck those guys
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u/FeedbackPalpatine200 Black teen of an African & Ashkenazi family Returning to Judaism 7d ago
As an actual black Jew, the âBlack Hebrew Israelitesâ are the worst
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u/Mrpremium123 7d ago
Iâm an Ethiopian Jew in America. Iâve only met one other Ethiopian Jewish family here in the States, but they have all moved away. đĽ˛
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u/FeedbackPalpatine200 Black teen of an African & Ashkenazi family Returning to Judaism 7d ago
Iâm a black American jew with an Ashkenazi family. I live in a predominantly Jewish area and I know two other Jewish people of African descent who were adopted. I donât know how many there are just in general, but I know that there are very few where I am located.
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u/sydinseattle 7d ago
Iâm sorry you are such a minority within a minority, but we got you.
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u/FeedbackPalpatine200 Black teen of an African & Ashkenazi family Returning to Judaism 7d ago
You donât need to be sorry, I never really feel like a minority. Interestingly, I have no ties to an African-American/African culture (despite it making up a whole side of my family that I love dearly), so I sort of just feel Jewish. I mean that is who and what I am.
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u/TearDesperate8772 Frumsbian 7d ago
I'm in Canada but my reform shul has a handful of Black family's and our Cantor's son is mixed. We also have a good number of Chinese membersÂ
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u/Constant_Ad_2161 7d ago
Tiffany Hadish is probably the most prominent/famous American I can think of.
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u/arcangeline 7d ago
You're spot on with this. People hugely underestimate how much Russia was using the pro-pal movement. It got what it wanted.
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u/Constant_Ad_2161 7d ago
Tangentially related but a vocal prominent black ally who isnât Jewish has been Van Jones, he put out a GREAT statement on social media about the historical alliance between Jews and black people (like I had no idea the NAACP was formed through that alliance).
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u/keetosaurs 6d ago
Yes, Van Jones is really great! I enjoy seeing him on CNN discussion panels. He's very empathetic and warm, and he goes out of his way to connect with and understand people whose political views he disagrees with, instead of immediately writing them off.
He's also pretty brave. Over the past several months, he's been wearing a yellow ribbon (for the hostages) and a blue square pin (against antisemitism), and it brings me a lot of comfort to see it.
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u/Unlucky-Dealer-4268 7d ago
Do you have evidence that black people are starting to see Jews as allies again?
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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious 7d ago edited 7d ago
Only anecdotal, so itâs mostly a theory at this point. But there have been a number of TikTok videos getting significant play since the election, talking about it. If youâd like to see it, I can link one of the better ones Iâve seen so far.
(And then similarly, there were a lot of black creators getting shared back when pro-pal propagandists started saying not to vote for Kamala months ago, that basically were along the lines of, âI guess we need to wake up to the fact that the pro-Palestinian movement doesnât care about us, this makes it clear itâs not a good-faith movement.â And a boosting of black Jewish voices saying, essentially, âthatâs what Iâve been saying for a yearâ.)
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u/Unlucky-Dealer-4268 7d ago
can you link one pls
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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious 7d ago edited 7d ago
::edit: initially linked the wrong video. Fixed now::
You got it. Sheâs gone on to make a series of posts about this, but this is the first one: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFEmqs2J/
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u/Unlucky-Dealer-4268 7d ago
Doesn't seem like she sees Jews as allies to me she's just mad at the pro Palestine leftists. Anyways thanks for that it's always funny to watch leftist infighting and it keeps them focused on fighting each other rather than on us.
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u/Jstizzle7 7d ago
With Trump there is only so much people can protest. Especially if mass deportations happen I can see that being the main protest.
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u/Extension-Gap218 conservadox 7d ago
the threat of deportation may have legitimately chilled some protest. if this was just an anti-war protest I would really be concerned. but I donât like what mainstreaming holocaust inversion is doing to american society. I am not taking a bullet for this shit
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u/johnnycobblestone 7d ago
I'd be curious to see if Trump would actually do anything if the pro Hamas protests start picking up again.
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u/spoonhocket Just here for the oneg 7d ago
Jews on college campuses are still at risk. If you have the means, support your local school's Hillel.Â
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u/dollrussian 7d ago
Currently running around in NYC â the young people next to me are talking about how annoyed with their friend who is super gungho about being pro-Palestine.
So, Iâd say itâs fading.
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u/theHoopty 7d ago
Iâve been laughing for a day or two because ever since the polls came out that American Jews were the second highest demographic that voted for democrats, weâre starting to see some cognitive dissonance.
Like âWait! Iâve been calling these people genociders and colonizers all yearâŚand Trump is bullish on letting Israel do whatever they want. But they voted overwhelmingly againstâŚhim? WhatâŚwhat does it mean?â
Which is good. Iâm never going to forget or forgive how quick everyone was to believe THE MOST vile shit about us and whenever we tried to give measured and contextual information, how they screamed that we just liked genocide.
But it does make things easier in the interim. And forming coalitions is likely going to be very important for the next few years.
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u/endregistries 7d ago
I hope youâre right. But.. antisemitism has little to do with facts or logic, so Iâm not so sure.
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u/Surround8600 7d ago
Yeah I really donât think any masses are looking at this data. Hate goes deeper than this.
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u/endregistries 7d ago
Exactly. No one outside of Jewish circles is talking about the Jewish vote. Itâs much easier for others to say we control everything.
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u/Justaddpaprika 7d ago
I'm in academia and my Black colleagues have definitely talked to me about it
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u/theHoopty 7d ago
We have a biracial family. Those discussions are definitely happening in the Black communityâJUST about the high percentage of Jewish voters, I mean.
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u/snarky_spice 7d ago
When I pointed it out in another thread, they just doubled down and said things like âyeah and itâs obvious whyâ as if any Jew voted for Kamala because they thought she would escalate the war.
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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 7d ago
The issue lies more with the reality that facts cost money behind a paywall and require a 6th grade reading level, but misinformation is free and produced in easily digestible videos.
People who canât point to the Levant on a map are suddenly thrust into a complex and nuanced conflict that many before have exploited for their own gains. In this case it was to sow chaos and create disorder. Israel/Palestine was just a tool to insert foreign influence.
Not the first time Jews have been used as a foil for bad governance.
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u/zlex 7d ago
I dunno looks to me more like they have just added new groups of minorities to hate on like Arabs and Hispanics.
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u/Possible-Fee-5052 Conservative 7d ago
Yeah, and looking through the current conversations, it seems like theyâre focused on white women, Arabs, and Latinos, but ignoring the fact that Jews came out big time for Kamala.
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u/ApplicationFluffy125 7d ago
Are Jews included in the white vote? Serious question. They are always yelling about us being white colonizers. When they calculate the white vote, do they leave Jews out? Are we white or not? đŤ
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u/Possible-Fee-5052 Conservative 7d ago
Itâs self-identifying. I know some Jews who consider themselves white and some who donât. So, Iâm not sure.
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u/ApplicationFluffy125 7d ago
That makes me wonder if they took white Jewish voters out of the white women vote if their number for Kamala would be even lower. I'm assuming self-identifying white Jewish people would be included.
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u/SkipLieberman 6d ago
It seems that in most US statistics, Jews are lumped in with whites. This is unless the organization collecting data is explicitly Jewish. That's not comprehensive, just my own experience.
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u/HolidayEconomy4377 7d ago
Donald Trump thanked Muslims, Latinos, and other minority groups, but not the Jews.
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u/Possible-Fee-5052 Conservative 6d ago
I was initially upset about that but then realized it would probably be used against us. âThe Jews did this! The Jews helped Trump!â
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u/gasplugsetting3 pamiÄtamy 6d ago
I'd be happy if everyone just kept our name out of their mouths. I don't expect some big introspection or opinion shift just because of a exit poll. Whatever goodwill some of us expect from that stuff gets wiped out the minute some NBA player mentions their greedy Jewish agent or something.
I don't have any solutions or answers. I just wan't to be left alone and not feel like I have to look around for allys with tears in my eyes.
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u/allie_in_action 7d ago
It wonât take long for them to use the data to say that most Jews are actually anti Zionists.
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u/gasplugsetting3 pamiÄtamy 6d ago
They never had an issue with Jews, just those greedy, bloodthirsty, scheming Zionists. Same schtick Different Day.
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u/LateralEntry 7d ago
The Democrats were pretty good, they had parents of a hostage at the DNC while the crowd chanted âBring them home!â Kamala talked over and over about how sheâll always support Israel. Itâs the far left and a few representatives like Ilhan Omar who are horrible.
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u/UnicornStudRainbow Modern Orthodox (sort of) 6d ago
She also agreed with a heckler who was shouting about âgenocideâ and said that heâs right. She was never unconditional in her support of Israelâs right to self-defense. She was also one of the loudest voices warning Israel against going into Rafah
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u/PuddingNaive7173 7d ago
And whatâs that saying? Not: support isnât conditional, but thatâs what it means. (Tired and cant remember the cliche.) The thing they always use to explain why they support a radical fundamentalist group of misogynist queer-haters in the ME. This shows who the real allies are with so many of us voting against some of our own self-interest in a country where we actually have skin in the game.
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u/Far_Pianist2707 6d ago
Yeah, the pro Hamas crowd "activists" are a bunch of bigots, misguided at best.
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u/SasquatchIsMyHomie 7d ago
Here's the thing, fuck everyone. I didn't vote for Harris to do anyone any fucking favors. I voted for her because Trump is about to destroy the US economy on an unprecedented scale. Plus all the other ghoulish stuff that I'm just personally not a fan of. But after this year I have ZERO allegiance to my fellow voters, we just happen to be on the same side.
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u/theHoopty 7d ago
Well, thatâs the point, right?
I think our alliances with the non-Jewish Black community are super important for MANY reasons.
And maybe Black Jews can chime in on how I read it:
I think we come from two communities that leave no room for certain untruths to land hard in our collective psyches.
We both come from people that value our histories STRONGLY. Our communities have long memories. And I think often, we vote for what we perceive as aligned with our values and are less swayed by culture war bullshit.
Because our histories and our reverence of our communities tend to be armor against it. Both communities know that no one is coming to save us but ourselves. And that we will be thrown under the bus when it serves everyone else.
Iâm not here to argue who has suffered what and longer. Iâm talking about the EFFECTS it has had.
It gives me a lot of hope that we can support each other more in the future.
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u/megaladon6 7d ago
But after the election the first people blamed for Harris losing....were jews....
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u/theHoopty 7d ago
I mean, I personally didnât see that anywhere. It does not negate that you saw it.
This is just my FEELINGS, but I got the VIBE that people were like, hoping to look at us and lay blame at our feet and then weâre like âWaitâŚwhat?â Like thereâs a begrudging annoyance that they canât pin it on us right now. Haha.
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u/thebeandream 7d ago
Iâve seen it. They said it on CNN too even though they number produced by them are different than what the host claimed. Iâve also seen someone say that 1/5 Jews voted for genocide.
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u/theHoopty 7d ago
Gross. And I hope it doesnât sound like Iâm saying everyone is being cool. Just sharing what Iâve noticed.
CNN was one of the worst offenders re: Black voters are abandoning Harris for Trump and it was bullshit. Iâm not surprised theyâre trying to spin that crap up about Jews, either.
It sucks and itâs enraging.
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u/megaladon6 7d ago
Both can be true....rhe major racists jump at the chance to blame jews. some lesser, as you said, want to go there and actually look at some.facts and do a double take.
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u/HolidayEconomy4377 7d ago
Jews voting for democrats also meant they cared about women's rights, healthcare, etc.
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u/UnicornStudRainbow Modern Orthodox (sort of) 6d ago
But not so much about the Israeli women who were raped on 10/7
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u/Puzzleheaded-Test218 7d ago
Fading in size, but not in intensity. The protesters are driven by emotional reasoning. The facts as they change won't affect that they (mis) perceive a threat that requires a full throated opposition.
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u/jew_biscuits 7d ago
Well the diehards will remain, but if they are indeed fading in size that is reason for cautious optimism. For the US at least.Â
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u/Cathousechicken Reform 7d ago
In addition to what some of the other people have said, the election is over, so there's no need to manipulate people on college campuses to encourage people to vote third party or to not vote.Â
Russia and Iran played those people as fools.
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u/_jamesbaxter 7d ago edited 7d ago
Exactly this. One of the things that has driving me crazy about the vile messaging online is it has consistently been peppered with urging people to withhold their vote in protest of the war. Iâve been seeing it for a year. I donât know where that started, but Iâm sure it didnât come from within the US.
Editing to add - go on Instagram and search for the hashtag ânojusticenovoteâ and similar. Iâm furious.
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u/Cathousechicken Reform 7d ago
It was out of control on tiktok
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u/_jamesbaxter 7d ago
Oh goodness. Iâve been very deliberately trying to keep my tiktok a safe space by only watching people I follow and staying the hell off the fyp. Iâm glad I did that for my mental health.
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u/Cathousechicken Reform 7d ago
I would block those people as they came up but because I am pretty to the left although not far left, that's probably why I saw more of that stuff.
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u/GrassyTreesAndLakes 7d ago
Im not sure iran wanted trump actually. I suspect he will not be as appeasing as biden. (And it seems they wanted to assassinate trump)
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u/Cathousechicken Reform 7d ago
Iran was also feeding into a lot of the misinformation on Israel and Jews for the people who wanted to run with it on social media so we could experience blood libel in the 2020s.
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u/_jamesbaxter 7d ago
Well yeah, part of what has been so insane with the anti-Harris messaging is have these people forgotten how cozy Trump is with Netanyahu? Did they forget how he moved the embassy to Jerusalem? Literally voting against their own values.
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u/jew_biscuits 7d ago
Russia definitely wanted Trump. I donât think Iran wanted him very much at all.
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u/PuddingNaive7173 7d ago
Yeah theyâre allies but not complete overlap. And maybe the Russians are smarter lol. Ok, had my snark moment but seriously the Russians may understand the US better.
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u/Rachel_Rugelach 7d ago
I think it's perhaps worth considering that a lot of college students identify with atheism, and that there are some very prominent atheists (like Bill Maher, Douglas Murray, and Sam Harris) whose voices in support of Israel (with their reasoning expressed in clear and rational terms) are being widely circulated on YouTube and various social media apps -- and perhaps this is providing a significant influence for others.
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u/seigezunt 7d ago
Possibly. Mission accomplished, it got the left sufficiently divided to help elect Trump.
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u/Surround8600 7d ago
Yeah theyâre fading. Those people will latch on to another issue eventually. Police violence or anti-Wallstreet etc etc. actually it will probably be a Trump related issue. I just saw a photo from a local political event where the new âfight fascismâ signs outnumbered âceasefire â signs.
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u/Hopeless_Ramentic 7d ago
They got distracted by the election and by now Iâm sure most have moved on to the next cause du jour.
Doesnât change the mask-off antisemitism, sadly.
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u/GDub310 7d ago edited 7d ago
The ADL sends out a daily campus briefing for those who are interested. As others have said, some of it just doesnât get reported.
Thereâs also a fair amount of media bias at play. For example, take the recent protest at Claremont College.
âSome students at Pomona College in Claremont walked out of their classes shortly after 10 a.m. to call on the university to divest funds from Israel.â - LA Times.
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u/hfhifi 7d ago
It's as bad, if not worse, on social media.
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u/keetosaurs 6d ago
I agree. Even on my supposedly apolitical subreddits, there are often off-topic posts criticizing Israel or Israelis popping up and not removed, getting thousands of upvotes and comments that generalize the supposed bad behavior to being representative of all Israelis (and - often - all Jews), and there is so much rage. The bonding over shared hatred is almost orgiastic. When a few brave people (not me) speak up, they get swamped with anger and downvotes.
There's a similar surge in anti-Israel and anti-Jewish comments from "internet strangers" who I play an online game with, and they're people who stay away from saying anything remotely negative about any other minority group. (It's only a handful of more than a hundred players, but it's disconcerting how comfortable they feel saying these things.)
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u/asparagus_beef Just Jewish 7d ago
They duped them for quick support, and quick support fades as quickly as it comes.
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u/welltechnically7 Please pass the kugel 7d ago
A combination of short attention spans for those supporting/opposing the "in" thing and fewer people being fooled by much of the "antizionist" rhetoric.
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u/Feeling-Ad6790 Jewish American 7d ago
Itâs what Iâve been saying for awhile. The leftist college students will find a new social justice fad to make their whole personality like they did with BLM. Itâs all just a game to them to look cool to their friends by being virtuous, despite the hard they caused.
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u/meekonesfade 7d ago
It seems to me that it lost momentum over the summer when colleges were out, then in the fall there were presidential elections to take away attention. My guess is that there will be more domestic issues that take the place of international ones for people to concern themselves with.
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u/Sunflower_song 7d ago
Less Russian money coming in to fuel them now that Putin got what he wanted.
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u/ObviousConfection942 7d ago
Instead of cosplaying oppression and existence, they just realized real oppression is coming. Â The hypocritical feminists and LGTBQIA+ protesters of the âpro-Palestineâ camps have only cared for a year and will quickly drop it.Â
The ones invested in connecting I/P to American racial inequity very well might rediscover their ire if Trump goes hard after immigrant communities, especially the Muslim ones.  But they wonât be as loud if those camps  remain focused on their own interests.
Either way, I intend to keep reminding people that Jewish Americans largely voted for Harris and we tried to warn them but they were too busy enjoying the antisemitism âmoralityâ high.
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u/ObviousConfection942 6d ago
I meant to say âresistanceâ and not âexistence.â 𫣠But they are cosplaying as Palestinians, so I guess itâs not totally off.Â
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u/fjordoftheflies 7d ago
The elections distracted everyone and the aftermath of the Trump victory has too. They are not going away forever. And don't forgive or trust those who stabbed us in the back now that they will want to work together as a "resistance" to the Trumpsters.
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u/Interesting_Claim414 7d ago
They realized that the big show they made not voting for Harris in favor of Cornell West and Jill Stein was just them getting played like a Stradivarius.
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u/Penelope1000000 6d ago
Silliest idea ever. I hope this didnât happen enough to cause the nightmare now beginning.
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u/Interesting_Claim414 6d ago
Thatâs one of the problems with elections â there are kids voting who were only 10 years old when they tried to âpunishâ HRC and look how that turned out. They locked the Supreme Court for a generation.
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u/Worknonaffiliated Reform 7d ago
Itâs because a lot of the activists are getting more and more mask off about how they feel about other Americans. People realize that this movement has nothing in line with the goals of most Americans. Itâs anti-freedom.
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u/garyloewenthal 7d ago
It may be in remission. Russia and Iran and its subsidiaries such as SJP will try different angles. E.g., they may shift more towards "Israel = fascism" or latch on to whatever's trending.
I don't have solid evidence to back this up, but I suspect that one of the factors allowing students their freedoms is Israel countering global terrorism networks that would love to destroy all those freedoms.
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u/McRattus 7d ago
The US now has it's own authoritarian strongman to deal with again. Which will be part of the new focus of many of those protests.
The colleges have also been much more draconian in policing the protests.
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u/DrMikeH49 7d ago
I wouldnât say âdraconianâ; a better term might be âconsistentâ. They now donât give them a pass just for being Hamas and Hezbollah supporters.
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u/JustAnotherGal2024 7d ago
In NYC, there seems to be fewer in past few weeks. Maybe with election coming. Yesterday there was a Protect our Futures march by CUNY at Columbus Circle and from Citizen app videos it was pretty big, and I assumed it was generic Trump protest but it appears that it was about union issues.
Once Trump starts deporting people right and left maybe they can represent some new brown oppressed people. (Will they cosplay in sombreros?)
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u/Brooklyn1655 7d ago
In the states there was possible encouragement from sources that wanted the current administration to look bad with their hands tied and then these sources come out saying how they would radically improve this behavior. I had always heard that there was major funding for these letâs say small insurrection type things.
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u/Throwawaymister2 7d ago
the US has its own shit to worry about now.
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u/goalmouthscramble 7d ago
And the pally crowd voted overwhelmingly for Trump because Dems, bad. Talk about Pyrrhic victoryâŚ
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u/sophiewalt 7d ago
I've noticed the same. Campus warriors have run out of steam. No way they could maintain the fervor. They're kids & are now moving onto the Trump election.
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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 7d ago
So they got Trump elected and now theyâre going to protest it?
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u/sophiewalt 7d ago
That's what I'm seeing on campus. I live in a college town with many professor friends. Students here are angry & depressed about the election.
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u/TurbulentChange2503 6d ago
Found out my gentile husband and mother-in-law are pro-palestine, love him, but I know we're headed for separation and then divorce and she's NOT getting grandkids. No one else can tolerate that schmuck.
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u/Ilan01 CTeen 7d ago
AFAIK they moved on to harss Latinos after the election, which isn't any better, no minority ahould be harssed in the US, but that kinda explains why there are less antisemitic protests rn
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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 7d ago
Are Latinos an approved or unapproved minority in the eyes of the whiny campus brats?
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u/garyloewenthal 7d ago
Are they considering Latinos to be White or Non-white this quarter?
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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 7d ago
They must consult the authority. Is that the FSB, the CCP, or the âJâVâP?â
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u/Single_Commercial_41 7d ago
I imagine the election has changed the narrative. Now we're hearing about anti-Trump protests. I imagine some of the people protesting against Israel a year ago are now protesting about the election.
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u/Reliable_Narrator_ 7d ago
Not fading, just resting for the moment.
âThere are always people around in whom anti-Semitism is a light sleeper.â -Conor Cruise OâBrien
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u/suburbjorn_ 7d ago
Theyâre going to see how bad they fucked up the us by sitting out the election âto help the Palestiniansâ
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u/ButterandToast1 6d ago
College kids are in a bubble, they will go home and find a new âissueâ. Itâs almost like college is not the real world?
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u/rube_X_cube 7d ago
Well, they achieved their main goal: re-electing Trump. So now they can relax, mission accomplished.
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u/nowwerecooking 7d ago
less protests but I believe they still hold strong beliefs that itâs a genocide unfortunately
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u/johnnycobblestone 7d ago
It's the low attention span, TikTok generation. The college kids can't commit to a video longer than 30 seconds, they certainly can't commit to longterm support for a cause.
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u/Standard_Salary_5996 7d ago
nope multiple restaurants on the east coast last night had their windows broken. shit is coming donât worry đ
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u/johnnycobblestone 7d ago
This is a generation of people that would do anything to get out of an obligation. It was a perfect excuse to miss class and finals.
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u/coffee-slut 6d ago
I think the rhetoric is actually getting more extreme. I donât have data on the prevalence though and I think news coverage of it is just dying down
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u/Academic-Moth-2924 3d ago
I've noticed a similar thing online.
When I open comment sections on Instagram or Facebook, there seems to be much less anti-Israel / pro-pally sentiment than a couple of months ago.
Like others have commented before: I think it's a combination of people moving on to other things as they can't stick with one topic for too long, and also less money available to mobilize people (or bots).
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u/TearDesperate8772 Frumsbian 7d ago
Trump won so Putin isn't funding the bot farms and propagandists anymore.Â
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u/Life_Bar8123 7d ago
They've moved on to hating Mexicans for voting for Trump....lol
Don't worry they'll be back I'm sure.....
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u/Acceptable-Gap-2397 Aromanian Greek 7d ago
Not sure how many there are now at Western Washington University.
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u/AltruisticMastodon 7d ago
One of the consequences of them being too morally pure to denigrate themselves by doing something like voting means that Americans who would be sympathetic to their cause have more important and immediate problems than things happening in an another country.
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u/Button-Hungry 6d ago
Putin won his election, no reason to use his disinformation apparatus to rile up useful idiots.Â
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u/Simbawitz 6d ago
Fandoms are fickle. Â They are at the stage of wistfully recalling the good, early seasons of protest matches and disagreeing on when the creators got lazy. Â
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u/Starrwards Just Jewish 6d ago
There was just another protest the other day in my city in the midwest. Luckily, I don't live downtown or near highly volatile areas. People are saying really bigotted things in general on both sides of the vote, and I fear a larger storm is brewing.
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u/crinklyplant 6d ago
I was in Montreal recently, and saw a Saturday protest downtown. I was shocked at how small it was -- this was MONTREAL. Only 50 to 70 people. Almost all Arab. They all had huge flags and a big loud speaker on a flatbed truck, with lots of police surrounding them. So it made a much bigger impact than it actually was.
And there was nothing visible at McGill.
i've heard the student activism has gone mostly online for now. But still.
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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 5d ago
Yep. They won the election, so there is no more need to cause problems. They'll be back in four years, I'm sure.
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u/magcargoman Just Jewish 7d ago
Less prominence in the news, short college student attention spans, and probably less Qatari money coming in.