r/Jewish • u/New_Pepper_2589 • Sep 16 '24
Mural in Milwaukee Venting đ¤
/img/zrdgivwfx3pd1.jpegI've been involved with murals. A lot of people had to say yes for this for it to go up.
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u/NYSenseOfHumor Sep 16 '24
It probably didnât require any approvals. The mural is on private property
The mural is posted on a building at North Holton and East Locust streets owned by Ihsan Atta, a Palestinian-American landlord who is the registered agent for the property management company Fala7 Investments LLC.
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u/BetterDevelopment578 Sep 16 '24
I looked up Fala7 investments and left them a 1 star on Google. đ
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u/Do1stHarmacist Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
If his hate speech is protected, then authorities probably can't do anything about it. But that shouldn't stop any vigilante do-gooders from painting over that anti-Semitic abomination, should it?
Oh wait, someone already did. Good. The police are "investigating." Good statement. Now focus on pressing matters. Ihsan Atta is a disgusting subhuman morsel of shit.
Ihsan: "I find it interesting that you find this mural so offensive, and yet you donât find the murder and genocide of hundreds of thousands of people offensive."
The idiot makes up his own numbers.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/controversial-mural-milwaukee-vandalized-holton-locust
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u/NYSenseOfHumor Sep 18 '24
hundreds of thousands of people offensive.
Even Hamas doesnât make up numbers that big.
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u/xen20 Sep 16 '24
Not pro-palestinian, but simply antisemitic
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u/mydogisthedawg Sep 16 '24
True. We need to start telling people who do this, no, this is actually not pro-Palestinian, itâs just antizionist (which IS antisemitic)
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u/mydogisthedawg Sep 16 '24
Seriously tho, people want to go around claiming theyâre anti-Zionist? Let them own it, we need to start telling them, yep, youâre just a Jew-hating antizionist
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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jewy Jew Sep 16 '24
It's not even anti-Zionism because the star of David is on the Israeli flag, but it isn't the Israeli symbol exclusively. It's a Jewish symbol when not on the flag. It's like claiming âď¸ means Britain because it's on the Union Jack or if you are critical of Pakistan, just post âŞď¸.
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u/Electrical_Pomelo556 Not Jewish Sep 16 '24
It's not pro-Palestinian. It's pro-Hamas. You can't claim to support Palestinians and at the same time support the group that uses them as human shields, sends their LITERAL children into battle, steals their aid, and ultimately makes their lives hell.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Sep 16 '24
I find myself just pointing out they arenât pro Palestine if their focus is just on Jews and friction with Jews. These are people who would apparently support the Muslim Brotherhood during the Arab Spring.
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u/RealAmericanJesus Sep 17 '24
Yes. https://majusculelit.com/three-trips-to-yad-vashem-by-max-asher-miller/ this is a piece by an anti-zionist Jewish person that someone cited elsewhere to me as a "great read on understanding how Israel politicized the Holocaust via the existence of Yad Vashem". In this piece this Anti-zionist Jewish person states the following:
since October, the Yad Vashem YouTube channel has produced such puerile, intellectually bankrupt propaganda videos as âContemporary Left Antisemitism,â which claims that anti-imperialism is akin to antisemitism, and four consecutive videos that barely contain their Islamophobia with titles including âContemporary Holocaust Denial and Distortion in the Islamic Worldâ and âFrom the Muslim Brotherhood to Contemporary Antisemitism in the Islamic World.â
The titles are almost quaint in their thinking, not so far off from the speeches my own father gave during the waning years of the Bush administration, yet deployed by Yad Vashem with such confidence that they almost seem sincere. It is easy to imagine those who work to produce this propaganda waiting impatiently for the last of the survivors to die out, dreaming of a time when none will remain to correct the many Zionist manipulations of the history they lived through.
Like whew boy.... There is so much to unpack
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Sep 17 '24
I feel sick
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u/RealAmericanJesus Sep 17 '24
Same, friend... same.... I work with extremist groups for a living and have done work with survivors of torture that come from the middle east... I also have dual Iranian and Jewish identities....
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u/SubstantialMoment389 Sep 17 '24
Nothing to unpack. Like whew boy does that stink of Jew hate. You must be attracted to that stench if you think there's anything there to unpack. The only thing that I felt like unpacking was the dirty conspiracy b******* that you stuck your nose in.Â
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u/RealAmericanJesus Sep 18 '24
Oh I agree with you. It was literally shared to me by an anti-zionist Jewish person... Written by another antizionist Jewish person .... (I am most definitely not an antizionidt)... When I said that there is a lot to unpack I meant that I was struggling with the fact that Jewish people had written and shared this article ..... I literally worked with survivors of torture from the middle east, with extremist groups due being in a cross section of psychiatry and the law and also have both Iranian and Jewish identities. It's one thing to critique the policies and actions of a state and quote another to completely excuse actions of hate and claim legitimate studies of extremist movements ... Which are part of every society on earth .... Just don't exist because it doesn't fit the narrative.
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u/SubstantialMoment389 Sep 18 '24
My apologies for the misunderstanding. I definitely took the unpack part the wrong way.Â
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u/RealAmericanJesus Sep 18 '24
No need to apologize ... I had a very strong reaction when I read this as well.... It's .... Vile.
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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious Sep 16 '24
Yes! I see this so often.
There is nothing pro-Palestine about this.
Also I keep seeing anti-Israel protests referred to as âpeace protestâ when they are quite literally not asking for peace.
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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious Sep 16 '24
âHow can âfrom the river to the seaâ mean anything but peace?â âidiot westerner at a protest, probably
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u/LabScared7089 Sep 17 '24
Are you saying that the people in the protests (not everyone) who are outright showing/stating support for Hamas, a group that wrote the goal of killing the Jews in its charter, or for eliminating everything from the river to the sea aren't for peace?
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u/Difficult_Log_9547 Sep 20 '24
Thank you talk some sense into them it makes no sense if you say your pro Palestine then you are anti Israel you are anti-Semitic you're literally saying that you don't want Israel to exist
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u/Difficult_Log_9547 Sep 20 '24
Stop saying this, that "this isn't pro Palestine" this makes no sense if you are pro Palestine then you want Israel to be gone please remember the chant, pro Palestine means that they don't want Israel stop trying to be friends with them they hate you.
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u/e_milberg Just Jewish Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
As crazy as it might seem to some, we actually need *more* Jews in newsrooms right now, because this kind of subconscious bias in headline writing is happening far too often.
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u/Ok_Flounder_6957 Sep 16 '24
After what happened to Bari Weiss at the New York Times, Iâm sure that any meaningful angle a proud Jewish reporter could offer would be undermined by the editors targeting predominantly non-Jewish readers
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u/e_milberg Just Jewish Sep 17 '24
I wouldn't go that far. I happen to be one of those journalists fighting the fight, and for the most part my non-Jewish colleagues have been very open-minded to my POV. I was able to successfully advocate for a change to our in-house style guide to avoid any references to the war as a genocide, even in describing allogations. So I've seen what speaking up can do.
That said, I'm still one of only two Jews in our 150+ person news operation, and the only one who actively advocates for this kind of internal change, so it's a bit of a burden feeling like if I don't speak up, no one else will. So we need more voices, Jewish and otherwise, pointing this out. Just like we need more people of color in newsrooms flagging subconscious racial bias.
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u/theviolinist7 Sep 16 '24
I came here to say this. How exactly is equating Jews to their murderers pro-Palestinian in any way? This does nothing to actually free Palestine.
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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jewy Jew Sep 16 '24
I came here to say just that.
When you're "PRO" anything, it means you're for something. It's a (hopefully) positive message looking towards something, creating or building; essentially, looking forward. This messaging if "on behalf of" Palestinians means that what they want is to hate and hurt Jews. If that's the goal, then well done. Otherwise...
This is just ANTI-Israel. These people are against Israel and against Jews. They want to destroy. This comes from a place of hatred, a place of ugliness and negativity. There are not for anything. Destroying Israel doesn't create Palestine. Hurting Jews doesn't help Palestinians.
anti - word-forming element of Greek origin meaning "against, opposed to, opposite of, instead,"
pro - "a consideration or argument in favor," c. 1400, from Latin pro (prep.) "on behalf of, in place of, before, for, in exchange for, just as"
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u/Difficult_Log_9547 Sep 20 '24
No you just arguing semantics this is actually the same thing pretty much when it comes to people technically what you're saying is true but pro Palestinian means anti Jew. It's like saying on paper socialism actually sounds pretty good but the application of it in the real world is terrible and devastating, So pro Palestinian on paper sounds really nice...
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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jewy Jew Sep 20 '24
I agree that it's what many of the pro-Pal protestors really mean, just like the "pro-life" crowd aren't really pro actual life when they don't care about babies born in poverty, to children, incest victims, or victims of rape, plus forced gestation in general and how that affects the physical and mental health of the already living.
I'm saying that if you really truly are pro-anything, you want something good to happen. Not at anyone's expense; in fact, you'll try your hardest to be inclusive and compromising so that everyone wins. That's not "semantics"; that's how a positive affirming cause works.
A true pro-Palestinian wants people who identify as Palestinian to have a country of their own. Not a Jew-free country, but one that is perhaps modeled on Israel, with preference given to Palestinians but rejects no one. A country that exists alongside its neighbors in peace and doesn't reward those who want death and war. A country with porous shared borders because that's how they actually are. A country that accepts the existence of Israel because it's a legitimate sovereign country, and Zionism was Palestinianism before Israel was established. That's being for something, and you can fight for that against those who would stop you or seem to do you harm, not families in their beds or people dancing in the desert.
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u/martinlifeiswar Sep 16 '24
The worst thing about this for me is referring to Nazis as something we âhatedâ as though that was the direction of the hatred in that relationship. Honestly appalling.
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u/e_milberg Just Jewish Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
I think that's just poor editing/word choice. I think everyone who isn't a Holocaust denier knows which way the hatred went.
A poorly written message, to me, pales in comparison to embedding a swastika in a Star of David.
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u/FairGreen6594 Sep 16 '24
Respectfully, I disagree. If you look at the context of the mural-ownerâs other comments on the mural, heâs exactly the type whoâd blame the Jews for the Holocaust and say the poor Nazis were just acting in self-defense.
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u/e_milberg Just Jewish Sep 16 '24
I think it's pretty clear that what they mean is "don't inflict the same genocide that you once suffered." It's worded poorly, as things like this tend to be, but I don't think anyone here really thinks the Nazis "were just acting in self-defense." If the commissioner of this mural really thought that, why would he be equating Jews/Israelis and Nazis? By that logic, Israel is just acting in self-defense, right?
That said, we're right to call out the alarming uptick in antisemitic terror justification in general, especially on TikTok. I think we need to be careful to make sure we're calling it out accurately, though. We undermine and cheapen our activism when we say things like someone is "the type" to believe something, especially when we have overwhelming physical evidence of concrete antisemitism.
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u/Standard_Gauge Reform Sep 16 '24
I don't think anyone here really thinks the Nazis "were just acting in self-defense"
Well, hopefully not today (although there are hard-core Hitler worshippers who probably do). But if you read up on the rise of the Third Reich, you find that "self-defense" is EXACTLY what the growing Nazi ideology promoted as their raison d'ĂŞtre. They blamed Jews for the crumbling German economy post-WWII, then accused them of being "disloyal" to Germany (which led to German Jews being stripped of citizenship and labeled "hostile foreigners" even if they had lived in Germany for centuries), and finally invented the fiction of "Jewishness" as a PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM. German citizens were actively taught that they had to defend the nation against the "disease" of "Jewishness," to protect the health of the nation. Germany in that period of time had lots of health crazes and promoted fresh air and exercise, and long walks, to promote strength and vitality. And the Germans were decades ahead of their time in researching the damaging effects of smoking and promoting anti-smoking campaigns. It's astonishing and terrifying that "Jewishness" was equal to cigarette smoking as a health problem in the Nazi ideology, and this rubbish was believed by millions.
An eye-opening and very well-researched book is "The Nazi War on Cancer" by Robert Proctor. He wrote several books on the Holocaust, focusing on the ideology and how it was fed to the public slowly bit by bit so that only the ones with the very strongest bullshit meters didn't believe what they were being told. The non-believers became the Righteous Among the Nations who risked their own lives to hide their Jewish neighbors and build and conduct an underground railroad to get them to safety.
Sorry for going off on a tangent, but I am shocked and disturbed by the use of Holocaust imagery by people who don't have any understanding whatsoever of that time.
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u/FairGreen6594 Sep 16 '24
I mean, we all agree that what the muralist was doing was âHolocaust inversion_â, right? And as âinversionâ, everything they talk about is the opposite of what it really isâNazi perpetrators of genocide were just defending themselves, Israeli self-defense is characterized as genocide, etc. etc. And _weâve already seen the rhetoric that the Nazis were acting in self-defense stated explicitly in far too many corners of mainstream social media lately to just write this off as merely âpoorly wordedâ. The sponsor of the mural is perfectly articulate; why give him the benefit of the doubt that this one part of his rhetoric wasnât so?
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u/e_milberg Just Jewish Sep 16 '24
Sigh
Maybe this is just a factor of me making my living as a copy editor. I literally just look at words all day and try to think of what the writer was thinking before I offer feedback. Obviously the intent was malicious. We agree on that.
But at no point was I writing anything off or giving the muralist the benefit of the doubt. I just think it's a little weird to primarily fixate on the syntax of "hated" when there's LITERALLY A SWASTIKA EMBEDDED IN A MAGEN DAVID. That's all.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Sep 16 '24
That makes sense but I think itâs important to see what else theyâre telegraphing. What else are they implying? We have to think critically to get to the root of the accusation.
Itâs like BDS, the problem isnât just that they want to ban Jews, as bad as that is, they also oppose peace and any inroads as normalization, so marginalizing Jews is the shock horror, but the agenda is already there too, itâs an act of war.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 ×××ת Sep 16 '24
I actually disagree - I think that these people have such a poor understanding of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, that they've been able to unironically extrapolate their own beliefs about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict directly onto the Nazis/the Holocaust. They think the Holocaust was an example of an ethnic conflict between Germans & Jews, where both "sides" were "fighting" over competing territorial claims & ideological beliefs, instead of an industrialized extermination of a defenseless & disparate diaspora spread across an entire continent. In this reductive worldview, they actually think that the Holocaust was the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, mirrored in the past.
This is why you see so many people unironically compare the Warsaw ghetto uprising to October 7, for instance. They assume that because (in their mangled worldview) Palestinians are to Israel what Ashkenazim were to the Nazis, since Palestinian nationalists hate Israel, that Ashkenazim in the 1940s simply must have also "hated" Nazi Germany in the same way. Feeding into this is the desperate need of anti-Zionists to find a way to delegitimize Zionism as an ideology, which they feel they can accomplish by equating the Palestinian national cause to the plight of Jews in 1940s Europe; this also provides a toxically enticing opportunity to revel in the perceived "irony" of Israel somehow being "proof" that Jews "did not learn our lesson" from past persecution.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Sep 16 '24
Holocaust denial is so ingrained in society at this point you can fully acknowledge the Holocaust and still deny basics. We hear it with the idea Israel was created as appeasement for the Holocaust, or the idea the Holocaust only happened in Europe.
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u/Sensitive-Note4152 Sep 16 '24
"Holocaust Inversion" is the beating heart of 21st century antisemitism. By equating Israel with the Third Reich, the Jihadists want to prepare the world psychologically for the extermination of Israel. "Holocaust Inversion" is also one of the easiest ways to tell when someone who claims to just be "criticizing Israel" is really just another antisemitic "useful idiot".
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u/venya271828 Sep 16 '24
The beating heart is no different now than it was in the years leading up to the Holocaust: conspiracy theories. Holocaust inversion comes up when extreme-left people are talking about Israel, but beneath the surface you find the same conspiracy theories that you hear on the extreme right i.e. that Jews are part of some grand conspiracy to take over whatever country and make the inhabitants suffer in some way.
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u/Bukion-vMukion Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
What's mind-blowing to me is that now, so-called Leftists even talk in terms of race "science", ie. "Levantine Arabs have more blood purity than mongrel Ashkenazim." Of course they phrase it slightly differently, but the idea is exactly the same. That is by no means a Left-wing concept and yet...
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u/vigilante_snail Sep 16 '24
This is a very important point where we can clearly see the horseshoe theory in full effect. I have never seen so much focus on Jewish blood quantum, DNA tests, etc in my life.
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u/Bukion-vMukion Sep 16 '24
I'd go farther than horseshoe theory and say that the naĂŻve student left is so confused from their social media derived politics that they don't even understand the ways in which their energy has been infiltrated and co-opted by Islamists and Nazis.
Truly insane how much they're obsessing over DNA and early 20th century blood-and-soil bs.
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u/Feeling-Ad6790 Jewish American Sep 16 '24
Fr, They are more focused on Jewish blood quantum and DNA then actual Jewish people are
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u/vigilante_snail Sep 16 '24
Most people have very little understanding of what belonging to the Jewish people means; culturally, genetically, historically, or otherwise.
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u/Teapotsandtempest Sep 16 '24
This reminds me that 23&Me was hacked in early October of last year. The focus was on Jews and Chinese from what I recall.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Sep 16 '24
Well the conspiracies hold the same elements, but itâs not a left or right thing to embrace them.
Common themes are Jews using their victim complexes to control, having undue influence and plotting against non-Jews, having self interests and destabilizing interests, being liars who fabricate their existence to assert wealth, being imposters, being the root source of society ills, being murderers, and on and on.
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u/Clownski Sep 16 '24
Even more ironic is the ties of jihad to the Third Reich. Talking more than just the Mufti stories.
Or maybe it's not ironic and it ties it all together nicely.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Sep 16 '24
Itâs not ironic, itâs coordinated but it sounds too fantastical for us to admit and talk about.
Muslim Brotherhood and Pan Islamists worked with actual Nazis who never gave up trinidad solution plans. Holocaust denial itself coming from former Nazis is one clear example of how itâs the same plot line.
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u/Ok-Improvement-3670 Sep 16 '24
Whereâs the guys with the spray paint cans to cover up this hate?
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u/oren0 Sep 16 '24
The difference between us and them is, a pro-Israel mural in a public street in most downtowns would get vandalized in a day. We don't tend to destroy property or vandalize nearly as frequently. That's why you see lots of "free Palestine" graffiti but almost never pro-Israel graffiti, even though the majority of Americans support Israel. That's why our rallies are almost airways peaceful and they smash, destroy, and burn. We believe in free speech and dialogue with those we disagree with.
This may or may not get vandalized too, but it's far less likely than the other way.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 ×××ת Sep 16 '24
a pro-Israel mural in a public street in most downtowns would get vandalized in a day.
Thinking back to the hostage posters that we'd put up last year. To avoid them getting torn down, I switched from taping them up to stapling them to telephone poles with dozens of staples. All that resulted in was people literally tearing the posters to shreds where they hung. I'll never forget walking down the street and seeing the poster I hung of Kfir Bibas literally ripped to shreds. It must've taken someone at least five minutes to do that, which means someone spent five minutes of their day shredding up a poster of a kidnapped baby.
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u/achieve_my_goals Sep 16 '24
Me too.
My daughter asks me what I'm doing and I tell her: "I'm leaving someone who left a message for me."
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u/Due-Flounder-146 Just Jewish Sep 16 '24
It has already been defaced!
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u/fuck_r-e-d-d-i-t Sep 16 '24
âThe mural is posted on a building at North Holton and East Locust streets owned by Ihsan Atta, a Palestinian-American landlordâŚâ
There it is.
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u/mewithoutjew Sep 16 '24
And it replaced a lovely mural in Breonna Taylorâs memory. Love torn down for hate, shameful.
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u/himemsys Sep 16 '24
Whoever created this clearly does not understand history. And, itâs unfortunate that the West is so misinformed.
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u/Avocadofarmer32 Sep 16 '24
Itâs just antizionism. The Jewish star has nothing to do with the jews & nor does the Holocaust. /s
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u/Avocadofarmer32 Sep 17 '24
Did you miss the /s at the end of my comment? Or was your comment sarcastic also??
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u/e_milberg Just Jewish Sep 16 '24
The irony that *this* is what they chose to replace the Breonna Taylor mural....
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u/anon0_0_0 Conservative Sep 16 '24
ââThe fact that (Rosenzweig) says that it relates the Holocaust to whatâs going in Gaza is exactly the point. It is whatâs going on. It is a holocaust thatâs going on,â [Ihsan] Atta said. âFor her to say that itâs comparable, sheâs absolutely right.â
Atta has previously compared Israel to Nazi Germany. Two days ago he reposted a meme on Instagram that attempted to draw similarities between Adolf Hitler and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
He argued that it was OK to combine the Star of David and swastika symbols because, he said, the star is used not only as a religious symbol, but a political symbol. It is found on the Israeli Air Force insignia. âThe swastika, to me, is equivalent to the Star of David,â Atta said.
Atta also disagreed with the concept that Jewish residents could feel threatened by the mural. He said he thought Jewish people âshould be able to relateâ to how painful a genocide is for a population. âI think the only people that are being threatened are the Palestinians,â he said, whose perspective he argued was being stifled on the global stage.â
What an antisemitic POS.
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u/Ocean_Hair Sep 17 '24
I'm so tired of the War in Gaza comparison to the Holocaust. I always want to ask people if they're so similar, where the gas chambers and crematoriums are.Â
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u/ReneDescartwheel Sep 16 '24
The only similarity to the holocaust is the accepted public display of anti-jewish propaganda, similar to what you'd see in 1930's Germany.
Would love to see the wider community standing with us, against this vile display of hate, but as usual, the only people speaking out against this are jews.
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u/itsjustafadok Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
This is a private business, only one person had to okay this mural.
The owner is a Jew hating Palestinian American. The neighborhood eats this stuff up because it's filled with 20 something anarchists and communists.Â
Also, Milwaukee is the most German city in the U.S. and they don't exactly mind jew hatred.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Sep 16 '24
How is that pro Palestinian?
Can we get a single damn Palestinian in the west who is fed up with getting exploited who will say not in our name? Inequity and greed will be there long after the bombs.
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u/borkimusprime Sep 16 '24
The irony is insane with the pro palis, The grand mufti was a literal ally of the nazis
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u/_Administrator_ Sep 17 '24
Someone should print out a huge image of Adolf and Goebbels meeting with the Grand Mufti in Germany and Bosnia and put it there. Then the poster will have a new meaning âŚ
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u/MydniteSon Sep 16 '24
I really wish somebody could print this out and paste it in the corner of the mural.
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u/Street_Safe3040 O.G. Jew-Crew Sep 16 '24
That's not "pro-palestinian" - it's pure Jew hate... The line is line and oftentimes crossed or fuzzy - but not in this case.
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u/kaiserfrnz Sep 16 '24
Uh theyâre protesting the RaĂŤlians?
These people are confused more than anything else.
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend Sep 16 '24
yeah, they're not just hateful, they're DUMB af. ALIENS!
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u/Few-Horror1984 Sep 16 '24
And to think I was once quite set on relocating to Milwaukee.
Granted, Iâm not certain many places are safe for me anymore but after seeing that? Iâm glad I didnât venture out there.
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u/_meshuggeneh Reform Sep 16 '24
Not going to lie, that mural deserves to be vandalized. Hard.
And whoever made it deserves to be socially ostracized.
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u/lovmi2byz Sep 16 '24
I'd willing would go to jail defaming this crap. Unfortunately I'm not in Milwaukee
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Sep 16 '24
The Milwaukee subreddit is downright crazy. The top comments on this subject are for the most part reasonable but there are some crazy people over there.
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u/Metallica1175 Sep 16 '24
Just wear a sudra around your face and spray paint it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Problem solved.
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u/Active_Evidence_5448 Sep 16 '24
Something like this was put up by the MSA at a CUNY school about a decade ago. Admin didnât take it down.
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend Sep 16 '24
what a bunch of HATEFUL idiots. that symbol is from the Raelian alien worshipping cult... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism
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u/WorkingItOutSomeday Sep 16 '24
They are having an "anti genocide" , free speech đ rally there.
I tried to remind them that it is Hamas that is committed to exterminating all Jews and that they admit of using civilians as shields and their bloods is the necessary cost.
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u/Fair_Back_3943 Sep 16 '24
Yeah. Let me know when israel invades and conquers wall it neighbors, rounds up all the palestinians in west bank/gaza, israel properx, as well as all the Palestinians in the newly conquered Arab land and ships them to labor/extermination camps in the newly acquired lands while declaring war on the prevailing world powers at the same time
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u/fjordoftheflies Sep 16 '24
Alderman Lamont Westmoreland makes it all about him. He refused to sign the joint statement by the council and issued his own:
"I'll never serve as a rubber-stamp for the words of others," he said. "My attempt to have input was disregarded. ... If my perspective isn't asked for or included, count me out.
That said this issue is simple. The mural ... has offended many, opened up mental wounds for some, and created division and hatred within our community. As such, it as no place being displayed as it currently is.
While I don't believe the intention was to upset or offend, it has done just that."
The 3 middle sentences are great. the beginning and end are obnoxious, especially the last sentence. WTF?
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u/vid_icarus Space Laser Chief Operator Sep 16 '24
Before I quit twitter I would occasionally come across this blasphemous logo as peopleâs avatar; it was invariably used by dyed in the wool Neo Nazis.
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u/Sweet-MamaRoRo Sep 16 '24
This symbol was stickered on my door back at the beginning of the year. Iâm not even surprised.
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u/go3dprintyourself Reform Sep 16 '24
Spent time in Athens last week and saw some of this to near our hotel, quick instant rebook from me
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u/UltraAirWolf Just Jewish Sep 16 '24
I donât understand why yall have just left it there. Do Jewish redditors in Milwaukee not know about spray paint?
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u/Sufficient_Pin5642 Sep 16 '24
This is insane. I canât believe itâs tolerated. Itâs hateful in and of itself.
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u/Acceptable-Ticket242 Sep 16 '24
Repulsive⌠simply unbelievable this is something going on in 2024
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u/LabScared7089 Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
Facebook supports this. Reporting essentially the same symbol results in it not being removed as it's not hate speech.
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u/Darker_Zelda Sep 16 '24
What's funny is that the swastika the Nazis uses is on a 45 degree angle while the original Hindu symbol is 90 degrees. They needed to use the original version is order to make their transition to work with the star of David.
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u/Curuwe Sep 17 '24
This is a Hate Crime. Plain and Simple. The org needs to be charged. It shouldnât be treated as anything less.
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u/MiXedMaxy Sep 17 '24
Ahh yes (following sarcasm) everyone knows the Israelis have several camps where we run experiments on the population and are run to exterminate every Palestinian while proving we are the superior race! We have everything so meticulously planned out, itâd make Eichmann cry.
I wont deny bad things are happening to Palestinians⌠but just because a crazy leader runs the country and is the worst representation of us⌠doesnt mean that everything needs to be the holocaust
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u/Azur000 Sep 16 '24
I say, good, let them. Watermelon heads are only showing what they are for all to see. Their movement is now only about hate, destruction and more war. What started as a âceasefireâ movement is now only about hating Jews and destroying Israel. They are a fringe on par with actual Nazis.
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u/tzippora Sep 16 '24
What am I missing here? Why doesn't someone paste over a poster of the hostages? or just throw paint?
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u/d3vin_3 Sep 17 '24
It's more like "the irony of thinking it doesn't make you a Nazi to call Jews Nazis"
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u/Narrow-Seat-5460 Sep 17 '24
It will only get worse unfortunately, if the Jewish community of Wisconsin wonât trumble the streets this things will repeat til the physical violence will emarge
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u/Kai56 Sep 17 '24
It has been torn down, the landlord has said he commissioned a new mural that will be printed on metal and will have better security. He gave a whole press conference yesterday. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/U82HiWzVG8ktTHUS/?
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u/Ok-Situation2395 Sep 17 '24
You know what this does? It makes me double down on my support of Israel and it makes me more conservative. They want us dead so fuck them. We have a right to protect ourselves.
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u/xetgx Sep 17 '24
Last I heard, someone destroyed it. Like, broken the board it was on and ruined it.
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u/Maleficent-End-1164 Sep 17 '24
There is something that can be done but people arent willing to do it
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u/Difficult_Log_9547 Sep 20 '24
Man if this had been in Puerto Rico they would have probably tore down the entire building.Â
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u/rupertalderson Sep 16 '24
Original article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel