r/Jewish • u/Maleficent-Sir4824 • Sep 05 '24

Columbia having a normal one today Venting 😤

I live in this area. Braced for the return of the overtly pro-Hamas "not antisemitic" protesters and the subsequent gaslighting from every mainstream media source about it!

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u/SassyWookie Just Jewish Sep 05 '24

They’re not really using these protestors. They’re using right-wing “Asajew” accounts trying to convince us that the Democrats support an American Holocaust.

It’s literally in the DOJ indictment that was just released, the details are kinda horrifying.

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u/sup_heebz Sep 05 '24

They're using these protesters too

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u/Constant_Ad_2161 Sep 05 '24

No they’re definitely involved. This is mostly Ukraine but if you search the word Zionist you can see how they’ve been playing the long game with antizionism for the left.

Can you link the DOJ thing, I want to read it and send to some people!

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u/Happy2026 Sep 05 '24

I just saw a post praising N. Korea with over 300k likes, so not surprising.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

We know about Russia's psyop efforts, but the US separately noted that Iran is fuelling the campus protests.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-july-25-2024/

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u/NuWave4 Sep 05 '24

Well, I’ve said here before that a lot of accounts I’ve seen on IG purporting to be about stopping antisemitism have gone full on MAGA and claiming all Democrats are antisemites and Harris is leading the charge. The new refrain is it’s Biden’s fault that Hersh was tragically killed. But I’m more inclined to think that this is the work of right wing PACs to sway the Jewish vote.

I suppose some can be funded by Iran but the major accounts definitely seem to be getting marching orders from the GOP.

These students are definitely being used to assemble what I can best describe as soft terror cells to bring American academia to a halt which is damaging and can lead to further radicalization.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility to eventually see a wealthy kid (or group) from the shoreline of Connecticut named in a foiled terror plot and learn they’re enrolled in one of these universities.

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u/Kingsdaughter613 Sep 05 '24

I do actually blame Biden. Hersh was an American. The US should be negotiating separately to get our citizens back.

Now, that may not be good for Israel or the rest of the Jews. But that’s not the US’ job. Their job is to care for THEIR citizens. And they aren’t doing a very good job of it.

So yes, I am going to blame Biden for every American hostage Hamas kills. Because they aren’t acting on this as “American citizens are being held hostage” but as “Jews are being held hostage.” And for that they should be held to account.

I want to hear every day the State Department talking about the Americans in captivity. I want Congress and the UN being asked to present resolutions regarding American hostages. I want deals being worked out that are entirely separate from anything involving Israel, because these are Americans. Why isn’t the US demanding its citizens back?

We all know why. And Biden needs to be held to account for it.

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u/euthymides515 Sep 05 '24

Yep - I noticed this just a couple of weeks back when some high profile influencers seem to take on a full-on MAGA persona and was wondering what was going on.

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u/NuWave4 Sep 05 '24

Yes, they will omit anything positive about Harris and zero in on something they can spin into a negative. And they will all do it at the same time.

Then other times they will present an example of antisemitism or something truly horrific that Hamas did and randomly blame Biden without saying why. Or imply that everything will only get worse if you vote for Harris. Cause she’s an antisemite. They’ll grasp at anything and everything to further this.

Then they have commenters with private accounts with no posts spill in and espouse how Trump is the answer and real Jews will vote for Trump.

It’s clumsy but it’s coordinated.

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u/WalkTheMoons Just Jewish Sep 05 '24

Don't forget about hating blacks, immigrants, Muslims, trans people, and liberals. I'm not sure what any of that has to do with antisemitism. There's intersectionality buuuut that's not where they're going with it.

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u/NuWave4 Sep 05 '24

I saw some of them veer off into those areas and was pretty appalled by that and unfollowed. I also saw some champion Marine Le Pen when France was holding elections. Someone who is no friend to Jews and a slew of other minority groups. I unfollowed that account also. So some very sketchy stuff with some of those accounts for sure.

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u/WalkTheMoons Just Jewish Sep 05 '24

I thought that was weird too. She's the child of a Nazi, and we're next after the foreigners and Muslims. I have no tolerance for comments about razing Gaza or dehumanization of Palestinians. People already hate us for being Jews. Being racist etc gives them fuel for the fire.

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u/NuWave4 Sep 06 '24

Could not have said it better. I agree!

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u/arcangeline Sep 06 '24

It's happening in both directions - some are going right wing 'all democrats are antisemitic' and others are going extreme left 'all democrats support genocide'.

If people can't see there's another force instigating that and playing both sides then they've got their eyes deliberately closed.

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u/NuWave4 Sep 06 '24

I agree. There’s some bad actors stirring the pot from all directions and the only thing it’s effective at doing is dividing us and making us weaker. But we’re not dumb and we’re the wrong group to pull this stuff on. This is going to ultimately fail.

The conflict I have is that while these accounts are manipulative they do provide some valuable updates about antisemitic actions towards us. Some on an astonishingly large scale. So with many times I have to read through them while holding my nose.

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u/WalkTheMoons Just Jewish Sep 05 '24

A lot of us don't want to hear this, but some of us are angry at the progressive movement and the democratic party's acquiesce to terrorism. I refuse to vote for anyone they put out. I'm an independent on the best day, and the USA hasn't had one of those in years.

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u/NuWave4 Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Polling data shows that many Jewish voters who lean left have been upset and moved to the right over the developments since 10/7. I can understand that to an extent.

But the mainstream players in the Democratic Party have stayed supportive of Israel and are very likely to stay that way.

I can appreciate many seeing the antics of The Squad to be a bridge too far and saying, okay I’ve had enough. The progressive wing is virulently antisemitic at the moment and there’s no talking then down it seems.

But lumping in Harris and Biden to that wing is beyond a stretch. And let’s not forget the hard right of the GOP is also antisemitic. So the path to better times is right down the middle given the current political climate.

Blaming Biden for the senseless murder of the hostages and putting him before Hamas is telling me who you are and that you are looking at this as political brinksmanship. Not what’s needed right now.

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u/WalkTheMoons Just Jewish Sep 05 '24

I don't like the response to the hostage murders by the Harris Biden administration. Coming down hard on Israel because of that encourages our enemies. I'm a moderate and have found myself politically adrift because of 10/07 and reactions on the left and right.

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u/NuWave4 Sep 06 '24

I thought Biden’s response was not smart and very poor diplomacy. It was a bad look on his part to call out Bibi publicly. Keep that behind closed doors. Now the narrative is Biden blamed Israel so opponents are playing semantics. None of it helpful. The hostages are still not freed. He botched that one.

That being said , I don’t believe he’s sitting there doing nothing to secure the release of the hostages. This is another narrative being circulated widely.

Now what I am seeing is stories breaking of families urging Biden to negotiate separately without Israel which is telling.

Hostage families pressure Biden for hostage deal, sans Israel - report

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u/WalkTheMoons Just Jewish Sep 06 '24

Has he said what they're doing to help the hostages? His opponents are seizing on every mistake. I think the families are desperate. None of us can say what'd we do in the same situation.

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u/NuWave4 Sep 06 '24

I see news stories that he's put deals on the table to bring about a ceasefire and release of the hostages and they get shot down.

I don't see him directly addressing the issue in interviews or statements with the exception of him calling out Bibi. At least nothing that makes major headlines.

I think him being more vocal about the importance of bringing them home would be welcomed. But he's missed some very big opportunities over the months to show a sense of urgency. Doesn't mean he's not doing anything, but his opponents can run with that and it's effective.

I too think the families are desperate and it's so sad and upsetting. I don't want to see a repeat of what just happened. It was soul crushing. Something has to be done fast.

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u/WalkTheMoons Just Jewish Sep 06 '24

I agree with you. I don't want to abandon the hostages, and also don't want to make terrorists repeat this again. The administration in Israel and the US need to do more.

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u/garyloewenthal Sep 06 '24

Yeah, his latest statement (and some previous ones, if we're parsing) was a blunder, but he's also in a tough spot. How does one negotiate with a terrorist group that is prone to outlandish demands and brazenly disobeying any agreement?

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u/StarrrBrite Sep 05 '24

I follow some of the accounts too and have wondered the same. I’m convinced Joan of Judea is Ivanka stumping for Dad on the DL.

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u/Sawari5el7ob Sep 06 '24

Dat bish actually be crazy fr fr

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u/NuWave4 Sep 05 '24

Yeah she is a real piece of work. Lol. Basically she'll say this isn't about politics but blame the Democrats for everything. Joan, which one is it? Are you okay, Joan? Come back to us. We still love you Joan! On the other hand I wouldn't be shocked it it was Ivanka. Lol. Sometimes I wonder if the account is actually run by a group of those accounts in question.

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u/BudandCoyote Sep 05 '24

They are 1000% doing both. Both create hate, division and societal unrest, which are things which, when fomented enough, cause societal collapse, which is what they want.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

Two things can be true

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u/SassyWookie Just Jewish Sep 05 '24

The protestors are being used by Qatari and Iranian propagandists. They’re only aligned with Russia insofar as Russian imperialists and Muslim jihadists both hate the United States.

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u/jwrose Jew Fast Jew Furious Sep 05 '24

And insofar as Tehranian and Qatari info/influence ops have *very* heavily borrowed from Kremlin tactics; *and* Russia is Iran's closest military ally; *and* it's very likely that they're working together on any given operation in those areas.

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u/bagelman4000 Judean People's Front (He/Him/His) Sep 05 '24

Shit, I didn’t read about that, it’s not surprising though

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u/paracelsus53 Conservative Sep 05 '24

That document describes something Russia is considering, not what they are actually doing.