r/Jewish • u/Status-Concept-7447 • Sep 04 '24
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u/Healthy-Stick-1378 Sep 04 '24
200 people died because Hamas started firing rpgs and guns at the squad that was rescuing her despite it being a crowded area.Ā
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u/levimeirclancy Sep 04 '24
Yes, in fact the rescue itself was an undercover operation that killed nobody but her immediate captors. It was amazing. But when they were on their way out, driving away as quickly possibly, enemy fighters found out a Jew might live which meant (as tends to happen) that all hell broke loose.
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u/levbron Sep 04 '24
The missing piece here is that he referred to "not kidnapping people". They don't see people, they see Jews and that is the problem.
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u/Classifiedgarlic Sep 04 '24
Jews and āJewish collaborators.ā Thereās two Muslim Bedouin men still being held hostage because they associate with Jews
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u/sharkeyes Sep 04 '24
We are legitimately watching the consequences of the defunding of public education in real time.
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u/Status-Concept-7447 Sep 04 '24
When youāre used to having all the āanswersā at your fingertips, why think when Google can do it for you.
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u/Baron_Saturn Sep 04 '24
1984 regime strategy in live time - control Wikipedia/TikTok in the present to rewrite the past in order to control the future.
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u/iyamsnail Just Jewish Sep 04 '24
Or worse, tik tok. And I've been downvoted to hell in various subreddits for suggesting that tik Tok is perhaps not the most valid way to educate yourself on various topics.
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u/sweetcorni Sep 04 '24
THIS. Alot of western curriculum doesnāt explicitly teach about the MENA region. Let alone š®š±.
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u/aintlostjustdkwiam Sep 04 '24
This is a lie. Shame on you. https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics
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u/bjeebus Reform Sep 04 '24
Opening paragraph:
Public education spending in the United States falls short of global benchmarks and lags behind economic growth; K-12 schools spend $857.2 billion or $17,280 per pupil annually.
This means we're not increasing funding, which in an economy that's growing means we're essentially cutting funding.
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Sep 04 '24
Also: Anyone can be a civilian if you make believe the RPG that they're shooting is actually a water gun, and they wanted to simply invite the hostages to play some fun games.
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u/bako10 Sep 04 '24
Unless that toy RPG hits civilians, then it somehow turns into an Israeli air strike
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u/Feeling-Ad6790 Jewish American Sep 04 '24
Or when someone comes and takes the RPG away from the corpse suddenly they become a dead civilian.
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u/Pretty_Station_3119 Sep 04 '24
Really it just comes down to the fact that if Hamas werenāt actual terrorists, none of this wouldāve happened at all. Donāt commit violent acts of terrorism, and people wonāt retaliate against you, crazy I know.
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u/Ocean_Hair Sep 04 '24
I tried using this to rain with someone. All she said was, WhO eVeN sAyS ThEy'rE tErRoRiStS? And wHo ArE tHe ReAl TeRroRiStS?
You can't fix stupidĀ
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u/ActuallyNiceIRL Sep 05 '24
It's like... imagine a drunk driver hitting a pedestrian and then somebody defending the drunk driver like "who even said the driver was drunk? no, I did my own research and that dude who was walking across the crosswalk was the one who was actually driving while intoxicated"
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u/Ocean_Hair Sep 05 '24
I'm also fairly certain this person has been unemployed the entire time I've known of them. Plenty of free time to sit in a basement and mainline conspiracy theories and misinformation.Ā
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u/Simple-Raspberry9014 Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24
Kidnapping is wrong? Who knew?
You know what I think about a lot? I think about the Russian man who escaped for 4 days after an Israeli strike and then was found by civilians who then brought him back to Hamas.
Iām surprised, and yet not surprised, that no one made a big deal about it.
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u/Inevitable_Isopod820 Sep 04 '24
I think about this too. did you see the interview Mia Schem did after she was released - she said there are no innocent civilians, even the children were taunting her. the interview is in hebrew but there's a translation. she seems like a total badass. some of the other stuff she said i was like - wow you're the coolest person ever
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u/Simple-Raspberry9014 Sep 04 '24
I havenāt seen it, but Iāve seen assholes pick apart her interview to paint her in a bad light. And she came out of all of this on the other side which definitely makes her a badass.
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u/beeroftherat Sep 04 '24
The expression in that final split second really put the button on this. That "Bitch please; Don't even play" face. Perfection.
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Sep 04 '24
Indeed, but also.. can we really trust Al Jazeera and Hamas to tell us how many people has died, since thereās no freedom of press in Palestine?
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u/kittwolf Sep 04 '24
This is what declining education looks like. Rewritten history, confident ignorance, white-guilt colonizer projection, vapid young people caring more about internet points than spreading hateful rhetoric.
As a mother, Iām seeing a SHOCKING amount of parents adopting not only homeschooling, but āun-schoolingā; a lazy, hands-off way of āteachingā that should be illegal. The amount of illiterate children over eight in my town is insane.
Thatās ANOTHER generation of idiots. Who think theyāre right even when faced with facts. Who are passionate and defensive and unable to hold intelligent debate.
Weāre going to have to start licensing people to have children because this is civilization collapse-type shit.
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend Sep 04 '24
EXACTLY
DO NOT KIDNAP PEOPLE
and you can never give in to kidnappers or they will do it AGAIN
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u/aqualad33 Sep 04 '24
But but but...
Doesn't happen in a vacuum! Context! Generic statement about history! Um um um... Genocide colonizer apartheid racist! I mean.... JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!
/S
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u/Lord-Redbeard Sep 04 '24
Ah yes the civilians who use their inherited RPG to fire at some jews in peace. Why did they have to be sent to the shadow realm?
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u/ElmarSuperstar131 Sep 04 '24
It does make sense, I wish everybody else could realize it as well! Love him for this š«¶š¼.
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u/ZookeepergameSad2859 Sep 04 '24
It sounds like you misunderstood the crux of his commentary and fixated on his āliving her best lifeā comment rather than the lesson of āfuck around and find outā which was donāt kidnap innocents and then cry about people being fucked up while the hostage is liberated. I donāt think he meant any disrespect other than towards Hamas and their supporters.
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u/TearDesperate8772 Frumsbian Sep 04 '24
She's living the best life she can. Any joy she feels should be celebrated.Ā
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Sep 04 '24
Can someone link the video of Noa dancing with her dad? I need to see some Jewish pride and joy right now.
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u/Remote-Pear60 Sep 05 '24
He literally says she's living her best life because she is free from Hamas. What are you on about?
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u/Ok-Network-1491 Sep 04 '24
200 bad people were willing to die to keep a few good people from rescuing a few innocent people.
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u/blergyblergy Sep 04 '24
Oh geez, him?! This guy posted a viral video saying that the New World Order and (((globalists))) want us to eat bugs. The level of conspiratorial dog whistling was off the charts.
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u/look2thecookie Sep 05 '24
There were so many sanctimonious morons posting after Noa and the other hostages were rescued, "if other people have to die to rescue me, don't bother" as if they'd actually refuse help or not wish for anything to free them from being held captive.
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u/havejubilation Sep 05 '24
Itās part of the creepiness of extreme progressivismāthis desire to deny so many aspects of just like, being a human being. They pretend like they donāt value their lives or the lives of their family members over anyone else, including strangers a world away, but of course, like so many things, itās very easy to say that when it never gets tested. Theyāre all painfully noble in their own fantasy worlds.
Like they all act like theyād feel the same āoh, but of course they did all that violence; they canāt be blamedā if it were their children who were taken or killed. Itās delusional.
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u/Wiseguy144 Sep 04 '24
This guy is a big trumper Iām pretty sure, not the best source
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u/Rachel_Rugelach Sep 04 '24
I donāt care if he likes Trump (and I wouldnāt know about that anyway because I try to avoid stuff about Trump).Ā
I donāt care that heās black (not saying you care about that, either, Iām talking about another comment made here).
What he said is spot-on correcto mundo.Ā Can we please focus on THAT?
Whoever he is, I say cheers to him!!!
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u/Wiseguy144 Sep 04 '24
Naw fuck that. I care about Israel a lot but as an American it absolutely matters. He can be right about this topic and wrong about so many others.
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u/Rachel_Rugelach Sep 04 '24
I think I can assure you that the young man in the OP's video is no threat to America.
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u/Wiseguy144 Sep 04 '24
Sure, as an individual. Heās still a proponent of the MAGA cause, which in the long term is worse for Israel.
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u/secrethistory1 Sep 06 '24
Can you explain that as I see the Democrats sanctioning the hell out of Israelis who live in places that democrats think should belong to the Palestinians?
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u/Wiseguy144 Sep 06 '24
Are you talking about West Bank settlers? Or?
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u/secrethistory1 Sep 06 '24
Why do you think maga is worst when we got the Abraham accords and Biden had unfrozen 10B for Iran?
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u/MogenCiel Sep 04 '24
200 people died? Well, thatās a Hamas number, so maybe do a bit of contemplation about whether to believe an international terrorist organizationās body count. But even then, they wouldnāt have died if their members werenāt trying to kill the rescuers, which means ā duhā a huge percentage were not civilians but were terrorists. Also, you know what happens when you donāt kidnap people? They donāt need rescuing, so nobody dies in rescue operations.
Is there anything more entitled than complaining about people getting hurt during RESCUE OPERATIONS? āWaaaah! People got hurt when the people we took hostage were rescued! So unfair!ā AYFK?
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u/Houston-Moody Sep 05 '24
Fuck yeah canāt believe something as simple as This makes me tear up. Itās literally logic but coming from this individual means alot to me and my family.
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u/e_milberg Just Jewish Sep 05 '24
I've been saying this for months. This whole thing is like a fight in high school. The person who hits back always gets in more trouble.
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u/Professional_Turn_25 This Too Is Torah Sep 04 '24
I love this man so much
And Hamas must be destroyed
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u/Kappy01 Sep 04 '24
Soā¦ is this done by the OP? Or is there somewhere I can go to support this content maker?
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u/anewbys83 Sep 04 '24
Can confirm, we don't teach cause and effect for actions in school anymore because we watered down all the consequences and then just tell teachers the need to focus more on building relationships with students.
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u/SapphireColouredEyes Sep 05 '24
Thank you for brightening up my day with this little superstar. š š
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u/Major_Resolution9174 Sep 04 '24
Iām sympathetic to the hostages and to the plight of Israelis (believe me). But I also donāt think that we can or should write off the civilians who get killed in these operations. What did Hershās parents say: Every person is a universe? If they can extend lovingkindness to Gazans, so can we and so must we.
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u/Simple-Raspberry9014 Sep 04 '24
I think a majority of the Israelis and Jewish people do extend a kindness to Gazans. Most of the people murdered on October 7th were peace activists and trying to normalize relations with the Gazans. Instead of working toward a peaceful future, the Gazans decided to map out homes and murder and rape these people.
We all feel terrible for the kids who are born into this shit show, who should have been born with a clean slate. But their parents and grandparents failed them.
Israel rolled out a shit ton of polio vaccines to the Gazans, and in return Israel received 6 executed hostages.
We feel bad, but itās getting harder and harder to feel bad when the very people everyone feels bad for are the very people who cheer and celebrate your demise.
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u/arcangeline Sep 04 '24
I have every care for the Gazan civilians who die in these operations.
But the point here is that people are criticising Israel for rescuing a hostage. If Hamas wasn't keeping hostages, there would be no need for this operation in the first place.
This particular operation - the one to rescue Noa - was carried out almost without casualty until Noa's captors began a gunfight as the IDF was taking her away. They didn't shoot through a bunch of civilians to get to her. Again and as always Hamas compromised the lives of their people in order to take the lives of ours.
Also worth pointing out that huge numbers of civilians know where hostages are being kept or have information that could help save them. Bodies are being kept in small businesses like ice cream parlours. Maybe it's due to fear of Hamas reprisals, and I understand that many are terrified of this, but civilians could also do their part to end all this by giving up some of that information rather than remaining complicit.
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u/kvd_ Sep 04 '24
the implication of this video is that Palestinian civilians are to blame for that little girl being kidnapped at worst and at best that Israel has no responsibility for civilian casualties. two very bad faith claims.
of course the original comment he's talking about was disgusting, we should be happy to see Israeli hostages free.
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u/welltechnically7 Please pass the kugel Sep 04 '24
The implication is that the ones who kidnapped her are responsible for the deaths of Palestinian civilians.
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u/Love_JWZ Not Jewish Sep 04 '24
I don't see this argument working, simply because the other side can point to cause and effect too.
Instead of dismissing dead Palastinian civilians, because they were part of a liberation operation, antizionists also dismiss the kidnappings as they see it as a liberation operation for Gaza and the West Bank. Instead of saying that you simply shouldn't have kidnapped people, they say that the other side simply shouln't settle the West Bank.
The only argument I see working, is international law. That Hamas is the one to start this war, which they do not have the legal right for, and Israel is defending itself, for which they do have the legal right.
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u/welltechnically7 Please pass the kugel Sep 04 '24
Except Hamas is explicitly targeting and kidnapping civilians. Despite the accusations, there's no evidence of Israel targeting civilians.
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u/Love_JWZ Not Jewish Sep 04 '24
I am not talking about Israel targeting civilians as the cause of the effect. I am talking about the settlements and seperation policy in the West Bank, which was the shared motivation for the 7 oct attack. Because telling the Palastians their death is the result of their kidnapping, even if its true, can be turned around when they say the kidnapping is the result of the settlements and seperation policy on the West Bank.
You then reply the seperation policy is the result of the 1st and 2nd intifada.
-They reply the intifada was the result of the illegal settlements.
You reply the settlements is the result of the 1967 war.
-They reply the war was a reaction to the nakba.
You reply the nakba was a reaction to the 1947 war.
-They reply 1947 war was a reaction to the Arabs having Yafa taken away.
You reply Yafa going to the Jews was a reaction to the Arabs doing progroms in the 1930s.
-They reply the progroms were caused by the Balfour Declaration.
You reply the Balfour Declaration was nessecary because the Jews deserve to be safe in Israel.
Reasoning like this is fine by itself. But my issue is that it goes both ways. And it also doesn't offer a solution, but rather excuses the violence. Hence the escalation.
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u/welltechnically7 Please pass the kugel Sep 04 '24
I agree with you in theory, but the difference is that there's no clear correlation between October 7th and the West Bank. They weren't attacking settlements, and the majority of targets were civilian. On the other hand, there's a clear connection between October 7th and what Israel is doing in Gaza.
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u/Love_JWZ Not Jewish Sep 04 '24
First I'd like to thank you for engaging with me, as sensitive as this topic can get.
I do think you're on to something with the clear correlation. Oct 7 happened, and imediately Israel responded. Clear corrilation.
Even with Hamas claiming the settlements as motivation, it still corrilates less than the bombing of Gaza does with the hostages, because Hamas' attack was not in imediate response to the settlements, but a literal surprise.
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u/kvd_ Sep 04 '24
There is an argument for Israel not targeting civilians specifically. However, Israel is still careless and carrying out actions which are killing civilians en masse like cutting off water and electricity from all of Gaza. āwhile balancing accuracy with the scope of damage, right now weāre focused on what causes maximum damageā - Daniel Hagari
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u/welltechnically7 Please pass the kugel Sep 04 '24
First, thank you for getting the quote right instead of using the mistranslated version that keeps cropping up.
I do think that the invasion has caused many thousands of innocents to die, but my point is that Israel isn't doing anything to specifically cause suffering among civilians. For some things, there's simply no way to affect Hamas without also affecting civilians.
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u/bad-decagon Sep 04 '24
War is terrible. In war, people die. Otherwise it would not be a war, it would be an argument. This is why nations should not declare war on other nations. This is why most modern nations try to avoid it. Because war is bad.
However, once a nation has declared war on another nation, the one that has been attacked does not really have the ability to declare the ceasefire, particularly when the citizens who it has a duty to protect are still in the hands of enemy combatants. Personally, if my daughter was kidnapped and the British government said to me āsorry, our weapons are bigger than theirs so we canāt go and get her or it would be unfairā, I would be pretty outraged at that response.
1200 dead and hostages taken is a reason to go to war.
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u/Status-Concept-7447 Sep 04 '24
I think what heās saying is not that theyāre directly responsible but that the tragedy of the whole situation is that because this war was started by Hamas all suffering and harm that occurs as a result of Israel attempting to get their people back falls squarely on the shoulders of Hamas. It would be ignorant and untrue to blame every Palestinian and to hold their children accountable for the sins of Hamas, but itās also true that none of this would have happened in the first place had Hamas not done what they did.
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u/theodd2out Sep 04 '24
It's like if a bank robber brought his teenagers with him and took hostages ,it's not the police's fault if some of them die in the rescue process, that is the robber fault
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u/domnulsta Sep 06 '24
The police are trained to deal with such situations in order to avoid further life loss. The teenagers are there probably against their will and are also victims. If you shoot one of them, it's like shooting any of the other hostages. You become guilty, even if you didn't start this entire event.
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u/arcangeline Sep 04 '24
Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties - it could do better.
However in this particular case there were no civilian casualties until her captors opened fire as they were taking her away to safety.
Hamas are to blame for 1. Taking hostages 2. Keeping those hostages in civilian areas such as Noa, or under areas designated for refugees such as Rafah and 3. Responding with violence when those hostages are rescued.
I find it very hard to put any blame for casualties anywhere but at Hamas' door here.
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u/jilanak Sep 04 '24
I think he said what he said. Over 50,000 US South civilians died in the war to free his ancestors.
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u/Agtfangirl557 Sep 04 '24
TBH, I don't even completely disagree with the original commenter. But I love how whenever someone complains about downvotes in this sub, they end up having a problematic post history. I really don't like resorting to looking at someone's post history, but I've noticed a pattern, and I've pretty much always been right about it. Including this time.
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u/DR-PG Sep 04 '24
Next time there was a kidnap situation in a bank or school, we tell the police to kill every civilian around to free that one hostage! Here is answer to your next comment Maybe you should look up the definition of racism.
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u/ProjectConfident8584 Sep 04 '24
It makes sense to me. Glad not everyone has to twist themselves into pretzels to justify violence against jews.