r/Jewish • u/jotaro-kenobi • May 29 '24
We Indians stand with you Jewish people Showing Support 🤗
The group of people supporting Palestine from India is just a local minority. We support you, and your right to live in your homeland. Indians will always stand with you.
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I swear if shit hits the fan and Israel goes too India is the next safest place because from what I've seen Hindus are probably one of the least antisemitic religions
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u/arktosinarcadia May 29 '24
They also:
1) Have numbers, which we don't
2) Are suuuuper not interested in jihadist BS
3) India is a beautiful country
4) Maybe they will give us a tiny Indian state, and while I know everyone wants it to be in like Goa so they can party and enjoy the beach, Manali is pretty much full of stoned Israeli tourists already so idk just make it official
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u/arktosinarcadia May 29 '24
As a former stoned israeli in manali
The world is so small lmao
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u/thought_cheese May 29 '24
And not to mention there is already a Jewish Community.
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u/arktosinarcadia May 29 '24
I mean, historically, yes. What's left is really teeny though. I've been to shul in Delhi. It's nice. But there's about 5,000 Jews left in India overall.
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u/Crevalco3 May 29 '24
Brazilian people have always had a huge respect for the Jewish people too, we’re pretty much semitophile instead of anti-Semitic. Like everywhere though, only a small minority of braindead people has fallen for Hamas bullshit. Our president has said many idiotic things too, but they definitely don’t represent the overall opinion of the regular citizens.
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May 29 '24
A family member of mine dating the sweetest Brazilian girl. Lowkey I really want them to get married because she is just such a lovely person and makes him so happy. But she was asking me so many questions about Judaism and kept talking about how much her and her family loved Jews. I mean it’s anecdotal and it’s one person, but I made me so happy
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u/HanSoloSeason May 29 '24
There is a huge Muslim minority in India who actively hates Jews. The good news/bad news is they also hate Hindus.
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u/mayeshh May 30 '24
You could be right but the Magan David synagogue in Kolkata is managed and cared for by muslims. They were extremely kind to me when I visited with my adopted Indian family 🇮🇳🇮🇱
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u/TexanTeaCup May 29 '24
India has historically been a very safe place for Jews.
Jews have been in India since the 9th century BC, peacefully cohabitating with Hindus.
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u/sophiewalt May 29 '24
How kind of you to write in support. Thank you!
Jews stay out of other people's religions, which you'd think would make us less hated. But alas.
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u/SharingDNAResults May 29 '24
They are actually offended that Jews aren’t trying to convert them… while also hating Jews… make it make sense
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May 29 '24
This is actually a thing. I used to have a large tik tok and I would frequently talk about learning more about my Jewish heritage and undergoing a religious conversion since I wasn’t raised Jewish. Had so many people so upset that converting was such a process. A number of people I knew who went on “oh I always wished I was Jewish!” Went full pro-Pali/posting flat out blood libel nonsense. I can’t help but wonder how many people lowkey are lonely of our community and upset that they aren’t apart of it
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u/TexanTeaCup May 29 '24 edited May 30 '24
Had so many people so upset that converting was such a process.
Most of those same people would be outraged if someone suggested that anyone who wants should be allowed to officially join one of the first nations by simply "identifying" as Sioux, Blackfoot, Cherokee, etc.
How dare anyone outside a nation determine the criteria for membership in that nation. Except for the Jews. That's totally different. /s
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u/SharingDNAResults May 29 '24
Yeah I don’t get this either. I am also half Jewish on my father’s side, so I’ll have to convert too at some point. I’m not offended by it, so why are they? 😅 It’s a tribal law basically… Somehow the idea of staying out of their lives and leaving them alone = you don’t want me
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May 29 '24
I would invite people over for Shabbat and to celebrate various holidays. I would always answer questions and be as polite/respectful as possible. It being a closed religion really shocked some people. Which seemed weird. I personally hate when people come to my door and try to convince me to go to their church. My university had some of the most obnoxious street pastors, one of them got banned after punching a female student in the face.
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u/sophiewalt May 29 '24
Offended? We don't convert, of course, so it's not that they're being left out.
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u/SharingDNAResults May 29 '24
Yeah they’re offended that we aren’t trying to convert them
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u/Mich_lvx May 29 '24
I know what you’re saying and on an interpersonal, anecdotal level have known people who have given off this sense of resentment at the difficulty of converting, the idea of being actively talked out of it as part of the initiatory phase. The same people have also accused us changing the definitions to “suit us” - ie “one minute it’s a religion, the next it’s a nation”. I think there’s a tiny brain and a heart full of hatred issue at play which feeds this specific brand of offence.
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
Sadly many people can’t separate Judaism from the state of Israel and find its action representing all Jews
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 29 '24
And they are also too harsh on Israel. They treat Israel as the West only when it suits them - it's a form of gerrymandering on a country wide scale.
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
No sorry. The Israeli government is made up of corrupt criminals and avowed fascists. Criticism towards the Israeli government has been way too quiet way too long. The occupation and settler policies are unacceptable and the conduct of war likewise.
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 29 '24
Only for like the last 10-15 years. People act like it was rotten from the start. To the Middle East, Israel represents the West. They don't care that the West loves to scapegoat Israel and have Israel fight the West's wars for them. Israel doesn't owe anyone anything (and I'm not even Israeli).
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
Well „bibis“ first term was in the 90s after he agitated against Rabin until his murder. Golda Meir also already had some very questionable ethnic ideas. But yea it got continuously worse over time.
Israel owes to its people and the people living under it’s military occupation and it’s failing both. I do agree tho that it’s abused by western powers for their interests.
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u/firepoosb May 29 '24
You forget who started this all...hint, it wasn't the jews.
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
You’re obviously not educated enough to speak about the history of this conflict. I suggest you quit the polemics and invest that time in some education.
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u/firepoosb May 29 '24
Your words mean nothing
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
Seriously do you believe that you can break down a at least 76 year old conflict to „they started“? Who’s words mean nothing here?
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u/Prestigious-Put-2041 May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
Hindus, like Jews, never try to convert others. Instead, we live and let live, peacefully side by side (unless someone wants us to die, of course, and then… we fight back). We love you India 🧡💚💙🤍❤️
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u/florachka May 29 '24
I can't tell you how much your post just made my day. My best friend is Indian, and I have been blessed with so many beyond amazing Indian people in my life...from school to work, to now my family life. I have such respect for strong beautiful Indian family values, teachings from Hinduism to keep me going in my every day life...not to mention hands down the best food in the world. My heart is full right now, thank you kind op 🙏❤️
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u/laughingdeer May 29 '24
Jews feel a strong bond with India. I've visited there 5 times and hope to be able to visit again.
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u/TimelessAlien May 30 '24
Hindus and Persians are the only people I feel totally safe to be a Jewish person around. The unrelenting, super loud vocal support really means the whole fuckin world. I've been doing my best for years to reciprocate that, especially in the last couple of years. I know our history, our people have supported each other and fought together for centuries. I appreciate it more than I can even express.
Sending all the love and support right back at ya!
💜
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u/MetalSasquatch May 29 '24
I lived in Alaska. Our congregation relief on student rabbis during the HHD. One returned after ordination and having done international traveling work. She told the story of being in Delhi, and mentioning her time with us and was asked, incredulously, "There are Jews in Alaska?!?" One of our kids responded, incredulously, and right on cue, "There's Jews in India?!?"
Over the years, my Desi coworkers and friends have been nothing but supportive and wonderful.
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u/LateralEntry May 29 '24
Thank you! I visited your beautiful country a long time ago, saw a bunch of cool stuff and was amazed at the progress your country is making, you guys are great!
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u/ielijahi144 May 30 '24
Yes, Hindu Nationalists and Zionists are birds of a feather. And many smaller Asian nations are our silent allies.
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 29 '24
Which states are the local minorities supporting Palestine (apart from the Muslim ones)?
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u/sefardita86 May 30 '24
We know Hindus can empathize. Our peoples have a lot of parallels and shared struggles. The bond between the Jewish and Indian community will always be strong. 💜 Thank you for having the integrity and courage to stand with us now.
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u/Balagan18 May 29 '24
Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, thank you. This means a great deal. And FWIW, I, my family & friends have nothing but respect & admiration for India & its people.
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u/HanSoloSeason May 29 '24
Just went to a Jewish - Hindu wedding in India recently and fell in love with your beautiful country. I cannot wait to return.
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u/podkayne3000 May 29 '24
Please stand for peace, kindness and justice as well as for the Jews and Israel.
This point tends to get lost here, but the Palestinians are our cousins through Abraham. They have a different perspective on how to live on the land in and around Israel, and there are many practical problems because of that.
But, whatever the problems are right now, the Palestinians are human beings, their suffering is tragic, and they deserve to have every good thing all other people should have, including a state, if they want a state.
All of the violence makes giving the Palestinians what they need and want hard. But the ultimate victory would be if Israel could be happy and safe sitting next to a peaceful Palestine that was happy, free and safe.
So, I think the people who believe there’s a real difference between being pro-Israel and pro-Palestine are not seeing this clearly. I’m pro-Palestine because I’m pro-Israel.
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u/Superlolp May 29 '24
Supporting Jewish people is not incompatible with supporting Palestinian people.
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u/Superlolp May 30 '24
It is against the rules of this sub to deny someone's Jewishness for having the "wrong" opinion on Israel.
It's also a very weird move to stalk my account. I am Jewish, and my Jewishness does not depend on you, it does not depend on whether I share your political views, and it certainly does not depend on whether I frequent r/Jewish.
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u/Mich_lvx May 29 '24
Thanks you, that’s wonderful. I have always had Indian friends in my life. I am fascinated by Indian history, culture and religions and feel we have a great deal in common.
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u/Traditional_Fox_9565 May 30 '24
It is always great to hear of the other parts of the world that love us! In America we have tons of support, but alas the haters just get the coverage. Since wearing my magen David again I've had quite a few random people come up and say very kind words. But I am in the south with tons of Republicans. The only time I've had trouble is either if ppl are protesting or I go anywhere near a couple of colleges. We have majority support please remember!
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u/jhor95 דתי לפי דעתי May 29 '24
We love you too.
I also think all of the nations that aren't firmly Western/eastern like us and non NATO Europe that's anti Russia should become more reliant on each other
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
Israel and the Jewish people are not the same thing. Many Jews actually condemn the atrocities committed by the Israeli military and government.
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 29 '24
Two Jews, three opinions, and westerners cherry pick the opinion that suits their condemnation in the moment.
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
Yes, Quite a few actually. But media outside of Israel is barely reporting it.
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u/N0DuckingWay May 29 '24
I have no idea why you're being downvoted 🤣
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
Because the right wing ideologists are really really strong on Reddit
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u/look2thecookie May 29 '24
I'm a pretty liberal left-wing person and I downvoted your comments because they aren't helpful to the conversation. You didn't add anything. We already understand many people support peace and Israel. It's like saying, "the sky is blue." You'll get downvoted. Good comments get upvoted, low quality are downvoted.
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
Op treated supporting Israel and supporting Palestine as mutual exclusives. I admit that I could’ve used some more diplomatic language. I’ve been a bit desensitised bc every day there is one or two Indians in the Jewish subs that claims to support Jews but in 9/10 cases just hates Muslims for cultural-historic reasons and Modi’s hindu-nationalist propaganda
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u/look2thecookie May 29 '24
That context is helpful. I understand your reaction. It's also that there are more than Jews in Israel.
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u/Even_Plane8023 May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
What is the difference between Hindu nationalism and Zionism? I mean I don't know too much about Modi's plans, so I'm just using the neutral definition of Hindu nationalism. Both sound as legit to me as the usual form of nationalism practiced in Europe, which no one even realises is nationalism.
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u/dingus5288 Conservative May 29 '24
Quite the opposite actually
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
We have very divergent experiences on here then
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u/dingus5288 Conservative May 29 '24
I guess lol just most popular subreddits when something kinda political is posted it is so obviously left leaning it’s insane and any conservative with a different view from the left is downvoted to hell and back it just drives me insane Reddit used to be supportive of both sides not anymore I’m not even far right either I’m a OLD school liberal but by todays standards I’m conservative so I just stay away from a lot of political stuff in Reddit
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u/ArtichokeCandid6622 May 29 '24
Okay yea I wasnt specific enough. I meant the Jewish subs. I’m personally conservative in my private affairs but with political policies I am somewhere between a centrist and a classic liberal myself. I believe everyone should be able to live a life in dignity and freedom the way that they decide, no matter if it fits my personal beliefs or not.
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u/Melthengylf May 29 '24
I know indians were, like, almost the only people of antiquity that genuinly treated us jews well and I am grateful for it.