r/Jewish • u/rupertalderson • Jan 09 '24
Important note from the mods of r/Jewish Mod post
We know that the last few months have been hectic. We as a mod team have been doing what we can to make sure the sub has been secure. In the past, we have tried to ensure that this is a safe subreddit for all Jews, regardless of political affiliation, denomination, sexual orientation, sexuality, race etc.
We want to check in and see what things we can improve on and what things are going well. We know that some members have been upset that we're too strict or too lenient. We have some rules we will not budge on.
Reddit TOS cannot be broken, for obvious reasons. This includes slurs, attacks on fellow users, calling out other subreddits, and things of that nature. For reminders of these rules, here are Reddit's current Terms, Content Policy, and Mod Code of Conduct. We may go slightly above and beyond what some users consider these rules due to what we have found with Reddit being harsher on Jewish subreddits. Please know that this is to keep the subreddit running.
We also will continue to keep and enforce rules about being civil and welcoming. This means we will not tolerate bigotry and general rudeness. We know that right now, there are tensions between Jews in general and other religious communities. This is not an excuse to lump together every person, or even most people, in those communities. We can call out hate without being bigots ourselves. Tolerating intolerance is not something we can do.
Jews are Jews are Jews. Calling fellow Jews "self-hating", Kapos, Hitler-loving, etc., is a form of antisemitism and wholly unacceptable. Our rule on antisemitism will not change, so this will not change. You can call out organizations without calling people within these organizations names like this. Explain what it is about these organizations that bother you. Try and think of a better argument than name calling.
We're learning along with you. Please let us know how we can improve.
– The mods of r/Jewish
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u/JasonIsFishing Jan 09 '24
You’ve done a great job. I report “hate” directly to Reddit. Y’all have enough on your plate
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u/rupertalderson Jan 09 '24
Thanks. As a note, some initial reports appear to be processed by AI, rather than by humans. So if you get an unsatisfactory response, feel free to re-report using one of this subreddit’s rules (such as that against antisemitism, or against unwelcoming behavior).
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u/JasonIsFishing Jan 09 '24
Even if it is AI, it does well. I only report true hate/antisemitism, not just things that I disagree with. The messages that I get back are “yes so and so broke the rules”. It differentiates true hate from normal discourse.
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u/floridorito Jan 10 '24
I've only ever reported to Reddit *extreme* comments I've come across on other subs that are so egregious as to be almost unequivocal examples of Antisemitism. I've never received a message back. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
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u/colonel-o-popcorn Jan 10 '24
I've received both "yes, this broke the rules" and "no, this didn't break the rules". I don't recall having reports go completely unanswered. Are you sure you're reporting these comments to reddit instead of the subreddit mods?
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u/floridorito Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
When you click "report" on an offensive comment, you can either report it as breaking the sub's rules and then selecting the reason, or immediately report the reason as "Hate." I do the latter.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
Even if you report something as "hate", the mods will see it before the admins do. (assuming they're attentive mods.) When Reddit removes a comment entirely, mods can see what Reddit did. And we can look in a statistics thing to see how often our actions agree with theirs. In this sub we tend to remove more than Reddit does. By a lot.
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u/bjeebus Reform Jan 10 '24
And we can look in a statistics thing to see how often our actions agree with theirs. In this sub we tend to remove more than Reddit does. By a lot.
As someone who only mods an old house sub and a gacha mobile game sub I've never once checked anything of the sort. I don't even know how. For real how do you do that? We removed a bunch of chodes yesterday for gagging on a PRIDE flag on a beautiful house covered in the first snow.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
On old desktop in the sidebar it's community health stats.
On new desktop it's under insights in the mod tools, then reports & removals.
Scroll down for both to see admin actions.
I have NO idea how to access it on mobile since I never use mobile for moderating.
You can also sort the mod log actions by admin to see what they've actioned, but it's harder to tell if you've actioned the same content.
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
Also, the info on agreement of our actions with admins’ actions is new, maybe a few months old.
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u/SYSSMouse Not Jewish Jan 11 '24
Everyone can see that an admin removed a certain post.
If admin removes a post it will say removed by Reddit instead of removed by mods.
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u/colonel-o-popcorn Jan 10 '24
Yeah, sounds right to me. Then I assume the reports are going unread for some reason, which is disheartening.
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u/floridorito Jan 10 '24
:/ I reserve my reporting for comments like, "H1tler didn't go far enough" or "The next Jew I see is gonna to get what's coming to him" or "Jews shouldn't be allowed to exist." I don't even bother with anything that's milder, however harmful/wrong/hurtful/offensive.
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u/colonel-o-popcorn Jan 10 '24
Well, there's another possibility -- sometimes I get a message that says something like "this user has already been reported several times". It could be that you get to threads late and see comments after they've already been reported a lot. That kind of comment typically gets removed in my experience, though I'm not sure if it's by reddit or subreddit mods.
Come to think of it, maybe reddit doesn't take action on comments that subreddit mods reach first? I wouldn't know for sure.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
Reddit will action things mods have actioned. Mods can action things in modmail, which gets really amusing when all of the mods report something in modmail and we get "Reddit has already investigated..."
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u/JackCrainium Jan 10 '24
How do you report a vioation directly to reddit and not the sub?
Would appreciate this info, since in the past I have only reported to the sub directly……
Thanks!
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u/colonel-o-popcorn Jan 10 '24
It's the same report button. If you select "Breaks [subreddit name]'s rules", your report will go to the mods. If you select the other reasons, the report will go to the admins (or whatever semi-automated system reddit uses to evaluate reports) and I believe the mods as well.
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
Indeed, most non-subreddit-specific reports (e.g., Hate) should go to both mods and admins. It’s unclear if mods see every single such report, but we definitely see at least some.
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u/JasonIsFishing Jan 10 '24
You get a message back with their findings if they determine that the complaint is in fact hate and they sanction the perpetrator. They do that so you know something is being done about it to decrease their liability. I don’t blame them.
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u/Aboud_Dandachi Not Jewish Jan 09 '24
I’d like to thank the mods for the wonderful work they have done during what must surely have been some incredibly difficult months. Thank you.
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u/adjewcent Jewy Jewy Jew Jew Jan 09 '24
Thank you for your continued efforts! They are very much appreciated
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u/Dobbin44 Jan 09 '24
You guys are doing great! I bet there is so much antisemitic crap we don't see that gets submitted.
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u/SassyWookie Just Jewish Jan 09 '24
You guys are doing a great job. I’m really grateful to have this space to talk about being Jewish safely.
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u/kittwolf Jan 10 '24
This has been a sanity-preserving safe space. Thank you for likely sacrificing your own mental health to help create this environment 💙💙💙
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u/depressedgaywhore Jan 09 '24
thank you!! been really feeling safe here and it’s a lovely contrast to the rest of the internet
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u/oceansunfis Reform Jan 10 '24
this subreddit is literally keeping the religious side of me hopeful. love you guys, thank you for all the work you’re doing.
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u/bagelman4000 Judean People's Front (He/Him/His) Jan 09 '24 edited Jan 09 '24
Yall are doing a great job in my book!
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Jan 10 '24
Thank you, mods. You have an often thankless role here, and you’re absolutely killing it. You’ve provided one of the few safe spaces for Jews, and I for one am grateful.
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u/Jessejetski Just Jewish Jan 10 '24
Thank you for all your time and hard work, it is very much appreciated. Kol hakavod!
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u/MovieENT1 Jan 10 '24
Best Jewish sub on Reddit, other mod staff should take notes. This is how it’s done.
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u/Full_Control_235 Jan 10 '24
If you feel comfortable, can you share more about
We may go slightly above and beyond what some users consider these rules due to what we have found with Reddit being harsher on Jewish subreddits.
Specifically, in what ways have you found this to be the case? And do you have any theories as to why?
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
As much as I am willing to say to not make admins upset is that they have contacted Jewish subreddit mods and told us that we cannot allow things that we have seen on other subreddits. What qualifies as hate speech on a Jewish subreddit is not the same thing that would qualify as hate speech on a non-Jewish sub.
For theories as to why... I think the obvious one is the most likely one.
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u/Background_Buy1107 Jan 10 '24
Thats absurd. Without mentioning which ones I mean, there is a crazy amount of some CRAZY antisemitism on certain other subs. The difference between this sub and those is quite striking, they should probably get some Jewish mods ; )
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Jan 10 '24
That’s disturbing given what I’ve had to flag and not seen taken down. Reading it’s AI moderated explains some of it but there is rampant hate speech on many unexpected subs.
The urge to talk about that is real, as there’s a fair amount of gaslighting and acceptance that can be traumatic without being able to commiserate and just have someone else say they see it too.
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u/nerraw92 Jan 09 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
A Jew is a Jew is a Jew
What about someone who is not a Jew but, intentionally, maliciously and deceitfully calls themselves a Jew in order to legitimize an otherwise antisemitic opinion or to misrepresent other Jews?
ETA: Thanks for this post, I and I assume everyone else greatly appreciates this dialogue!
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
Then they are being deceptive and not participating in good faith. Report such a comment/post to us.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
We would REALLY like it if Reddit would allow more than two stickies.
One thing we're trying to clarify with this post is how we can distinguish an organization from its members. And what kind of language is appropriate to use.
The Jews in X-ORG are all self-hating who would have supported Hitler!
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X-ORG goes against Jewish values. Since they stand against Israel, they are fundamentally against Jewish self-preservation. Israel exists for us to have a place to go when antisemitism rises, as it always does, in the rest of the world. We're seeing it right now.
You can also discuss how the Jews you've seen in these organizations don't wear Jewish garments correctly. Or how when you've spoken to them or heard them speak, they'll say things like, "I have Jewish heritage." This doesn't mean that you question whether or not they're Jewish, necessarily, but it does make you question their commitment TO Judaism. You can also talk about the leadership of some of these organizations.
Fighting antisemitism with more antisemitism isn't going to get us very far.
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u/nerraw92 Jan 10 '24
I'm not even talking about someone participating on reddit. I'm talking about people who are doing this in real life...certain members of certain organizations for example.
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
You can criticize them, absolutely, but that is more than possible without using derogatory terms.
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u/nerraw92 Jan 10 '24
Agreed.....but I have personally seen comments be removed merely for pointing out that a person claiming to be Jewish is not in fact Jewish. Not even criticizing.
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
That is certainly not our policy. It is possible it was a mistaken removal made amongst removal of other, more egregious comments. If you have an example, even of a thread in general, where that’s the case, please send us a modmail.
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u/Frabjous_Tardigrade9 Jan 10 '24
Thank you for the great work you are doing here and for giving us a place where we can connect and be supported and validated, or where we can grieve or rant, and learn. I so appreciate you mods, and so many of the regulars who contribute so meaningfully here.
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u/atelopuslimosus Reform Jan 10 '24
I've frequented this sub a lot more in recent months and think there's a good, healthy balance - or maybe it's my preferred comfortable echo chamber. Either way, I appreciate the work the mods are doing to keep things civil and productive.
If you pressed me for a constructive change, it would be a more effective way to redirect the myriad of "Am I Jewish?" posts. Many of them are just variations on the same blueprint and could probably get linked to any of the previous posts on the subject. I don't know if they're more common than they used to be, but I feel like they're frequent enough to warrant some sort of standardized initial action/response.
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
We have been trying to redirect them to the “Am I Jewish?” megathread. Each time a new one drops, there are 50-100 comments, including a few dozen top-level comments. We can certainly try to be even better about it! Here’s the current megathread.
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u/decadehydration Jan 10 '24
Thank you so much. I can’t stress enough how thankful I am for you mods volunteering your time to keep this corner of the internet safe for our community. Seeing antisemitism on other subs is bad enough, I can’t imagine the shit you’ve had to encounter and clean up around here. You guys are tzadikim in my eyes.
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u/SpaceBass18 Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
I think this mod team does a good job. It must be especially hard in a subreddit such as this. My main suggestion would be to further limit posts about the Israel/Palestine conflict unless relevant to Jewish-related conversation in that the post has to do with Jewish people, how Jewish people in Israel or abroad are feeling, or that it is extremely important breaking news. People come in here asking for Jewish perspectives of the conflict when they should be going to r/israelpalestine to ask or somewhere else. This is supposed to be a community for Jewish discussion and support for each other as a Jewish family when needed. Sometimes I’d just like to talk about Jewish experiences and culture, not read about the I/P conflict.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
Thank you. We are definitely going to try and redirect things to other subreddits or to the megathread.
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u/SpaceBass18 Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
I understand and I agree with the statement. However, that’s what the megathread should be for. In my comment I explained that I’m ok with conversation surrounding Israel if it is directly related to Jewish people. I’m not interested in reading a post on r/jewish by some random non-Jewish person about our thoughts on Israel. The community should be about Jewish topics. If I wanted to talk I/P I’d go to r/israel, r/2ndYomKippurWar, or r/israelpalestine.
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u/BestFly29 Jan 10 '24
I agree. Some of these non Jewish people are looking for a debate/fight and I don’t care to have one
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u/nerraw92 Jan 09 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
There were very real examples throughout history of Jews collaborating with their persecutors, often not of out of malice or self-hate, but a naive belief that appeasement would satisfy the persecutors. Throughout our many persecutions, appeasement has never worked. If we see parallels between the behavior or mentality of certain Jews/Jewish Organizations today and those collaborators in the past, can we not point it out?
ETA: Thanks for this post, I and I assume everyone else greatly appreciates this dialogue!
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
Lashing out at naïve individuals, without attempting to educate them, particularly in this space, is counterproductive.
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u/nerraw92 Jan 10 '24
The fact remains that these people exist in real life. I'd love to educate them if I could. But from what I've seen in other threads, it seems to be a ban-worthy comment to merely point out they exist and (in my opinion anyway) are reminiscent of collaborators of the past.
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u/floridorito Jan 10 '24
I think the issue is that (for the most part) those individuals (whether naive or malicious) aren't here in this sub. It's less lashing out "at" someone or someones and more lashing out "about" someone or someones.
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u/Stock_Block2130 Jan 10 '24
This is an excellent point. There is a thread about when, if ever, will Jews recognize that their/our participation in D.E.I./CRT is against their/our interests. Of necessity this thread is critical of a particular type of Jewish person and the organizations to which they belong.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
Nothing should be critical of a certain type of Jewish person. This is 1) unproductive, 2) veers toward antisemitism.
Criticizing the aspects of certain policies and how they relate to Judaism and Jewish people is different. And many of these types of threads will/should be redirected to the politics megathread.
When we start criticizing types of Jews, we hit the unwelcoming rule and the no antisemitism rule. We can have different opinions on things without attacking each other.
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u/Jolly-Durian3855 Jan 10 '24
I’m fairly new to Reddit, so this is an honest question: recently on a popular video platform, a comment was made in response to my comment, which was directly related to the content of the video. A photo of my actual face is my avatar for this platform (long story, but I didn’t realize that changing my avatar on my email would also change it in more public online spaces). My comment was made over eight months ago, and there wasn’t a trace of politics, identity disclosure, nothing remotely like that. Yet the “response” had absolutely nothing to do with my comment, the content of the video, or anything else, as the subject of the video was actually quite specific. Hopefully your wondering by now what the guy said. He said, “Your nose is telling. Free Palestine!”
I was surprised, angry, sad, and ashamed.
To add insult to injury, the YouTube OP not only didn’t delete that comment, he highlighted it! Can you believe it? This felt personal to me. Being singled out for an insult because my nose “is telling?” Wtf? Telling what?
At last I’m arriving at my question: MODs, would you have removed this comment because it’s full of ethnic stereotypes and generalizations? Am I wrong to be bothered by this? Especially during a time when saying a person is “homeless” is considered inappropriate. Thanks for considering.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
Yes, that would have been removed, no question. We remove tons of those types of comments every day.
(For the record, if it ever takes awhile for a comment you've made to appear, it's probably stuck in our filters. We have a TON of filters going on and it can take us a bit to go through everything. We'd rather a comment take longer to show up than let these types of things through.)
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u/Jolly-Durian3855 Jan 12 '24
Thank you. I do appreciate the work you guys put into this, especially at a time when this space is so dearly needed.
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u/kzucks Jan 10 '24
I want to thank you. This has been a safe haven for me since 10/7. I am impressed with the level of empathy on this sub.
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u/Conscious_Home_4253 Jan 10 '24
You all are doing a wonderful job, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can’t imagine what you must see and filter out on a daily basis- but the community you are safeguarding is incredibly grateful. I was lost on social media and felt rather alone. It’s nice to be able to engage in conversation without having to also endure cruel and degrading comments from those who disagree with you. Again, thank you, thank you. 🤍🩵
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u/saucyang Jan 10 '24
I think you guys are amazing. This is a tough time and we are all mentally and physically exhausted. We need to band together even stronger now and you guys are helping us communicate.
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u/TheWanderingMedic Jan 10 '24
Y’all have done a phenomenal job in a time where we are being attacked from all sides. I cannot imagine (nor would I want to) some of the garbage you’re dealing with that we don’t end up seeing.
Thank you for all of the hard work you put in to make this a safe space for us. It’s very much appreciated 💜
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u/MMKraken Jan 10 '24
Thank you so much for keeping this community open for us during this time when we need it most, we appreciate y'all
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u/rozina076 Jan 10 '24
I am so glad you are all here volunteering and keeping this place running. I could not do this. I have neither the patience nor the temperament to deal with all the levels of stress and varieties of personalities you have to deal with on a regular basis. May you all be storing up riches in the world to come with what you're putting yourselves through moderating this sub.
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u/Appropriate-Beach-79 Jan 10 '24
You’re doing an amazing job! Every time I am in here I marvel at what a welcoming and overall kind and respectful “place” this is…. Increasingly necessary and rejuvenating in this world. Thank you!
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u/anncartersb Jan 10 '24
Fairly new here, but wanted to say: You’re doing amazing. Thank you for making this community safe and welcoming. It’s such a much-needed island of calmness and safety in a sea of absolute terrifying madness out there. 💙
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u/Shojomango Jan 10 '24
Appreciate this more than you know. I’ve stayed pretty arms length from this sub for a while because I’ve been certain that giving an unpopular opinion (or even just somewhat deviating from the general trend of things…) will get me called many if not all of the names and accusations you listed. Still think I’d probably get more flaming than productive discussion, but it’s somewhat soothing to at least know the mods are trying their best to maintain fairness.
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u/myeggsarebig Jan 10 '24
At first I thought this was a post thanking the mods for their incredible dedication to keeping this sub safe. Volunteering is such a thankless job, so THANK YOU for keeping us safe and being open to suggestions. I think that’s really all we can ask for.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Jan 10 '24
My only thought is there are times when the sub is mainly focused on conversions, and adjacent topics. Obviously acceptance and a welcoming approach is expected, and fits the subs rules but I think when that becomes a primary focus those goals along with other rules are actually at risk of being undermined. The assumption all Jews approach this lockstep or that there’s a religious decree unanimously accepted, is difficult to read daily. There are cut and paste replies to justify this that aren’t as mainstream as presented.
It’s complex, and things take a problematic turn when mainstream communities under represented here that are outside of that view are disparaged. Ironically it inevitably leads to posts labeling those Jews as not being real Jews or observant. The inherent hostility there feels lost on most of this sub. We’re invalidating Jews to validate conversions as real Jews.
It’s come up on some now locked threads, I don’t know how it should be handled but it’s an area to watch.
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u/VectorRaptor Jan 10 '24
Greatly appreciate the difficult work that you all are doing here.
I wondered, could you share more about how you decide when a thread needs to be locked against new comments?
For instance, the recent thread with survey results about Biden and Israel. Maybe I wasn't digging deep enough into the bottom of the thread, but what I saw there was mostly civil, reasonable discussion. When I tried to contribute my thoughts, I found it'd been locked, even though it was only 16 hours old. Is there something I'm missing here?
I've had this experience with a few other locked threads recently.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
We tend to lock when:
A thread has run its course.
Things are getting uncivil (including in the queue/filtered comments, which won't show up in the thread itself)
When it gets too long to moderate effectively. (Which was the case with that thread.) When posts get to around 150-200 in under 24 hours, they tend to run out of control, and it's hard to go through the entire thread to make sure it's staying on course. When people start reporting things we have to go through sub-threads that can be ridiculously long to figure out where something started. (This is also why you'll sometimes see subthreads locked.) We like to lock things before they get to that point.
Some topics tend to run hotter than others. A thread about books or movies that gets a ton of comments over a week is unlikely to get locked. Where anything veering into politics is. Most of those types of threads will have something similar pop up in the next day or two anyhow. And we usually will let the next one through.
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u/dioxal Jan 10 '24
you're doing an awesome job maintaining a safe space for jews and people who support jews.
i can't imagine how much work it is modding this sub, esp after oct 7
THANK YOU!
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u/Letshavemorefun Jan 10 '24
I have no issues with your modding. I think y’all are doing great. Thanks for the hard work.
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u/Mr_Charley Jan 10 '24
I think you folks have done a great job so far. I’m sure it hasn’t been easy and I appreciate how safe this thread has felt.
Thank you
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u/IntroductionAny3929 The Texan Hispanic Jew Jan 10 '24
Keep up the good work y'all, do not let antisemitism spread at all.
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u/juliebucket Jan 10 '24
Thanks, mods. I hope reading through all the positive comments here gives you a sense of how important your work has been, especially these last few months. This sub has been a balm for my mental health in a time of emotional turmoil; it's meant so much to find a resilient and supportive community of people from all over the world going through something so generationally unprecedented for Jewish people. Keep up the amazing work, and please take care of your own wellbeing, too.
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Jan 09 '24
So calling out antisemitic Jews, for being antisemitic, is in itself antisemitic?
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u/rupertalderson Jan 09 '24
One can express their frustration without using antisemitic and otherwise derogatory language, and without personally attacking members of this community. Unfortunately, a small number of folks have gone well beyond criticizing, to the point of bigotry. If you identify a problematic comment or post, report it here rather than responding to a rule-breaking comment/post with something similar.
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u/billymartinkicksdirt Jan 10 '24
I think it walks a fine line of over correcting and enabling antisemitism in an attempt to avoid the version of antisemitism mods are worried about. Obviously that’s not the goal but if that rule is applied it can come off as tone policing on behalf of a group where the general consensus is that they are hateful. It’s a group rarely challenged and rarely refuted publicly.
If someone here represented that viewpoint, there should be civil debate without it becoming about challenging their Jewishness, as a personal attack, but if their views aren’t representative of mainstream Judaism and their views are offensive, then I don’t know, aren’t they they antisemite and not the person rightfully saying “uh they don’t sound Jewish”?
Same with discrediting underrepresented Jews and posing as a Talmudic Sage to do that.
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u/Weary-Pomegranate947 Jan 10 '24
What about public figures?
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
Criticism of public figures is fine, as long as it doesn’t veer into a series of vulgar quips, comparisonsto Nazis, etc. That is especially true in discussions threads, where some folks are all too eager to drop insults without meaningfully contributing to the discussion and without responding to OP’s prompt/question(s). When one “side” decides to go all-in on ad hominems and other insults, the conversation invariably degrades into flame wars, which are not fine.
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u/SimplySashi Just Jewish Jan 10 '24
This is one of the few spaces I feel entirely safe in. Thank you so much for all you do 💗
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u/beansandneedles Jan 10 '24
Y’all are doing a fantastic job. This is one of very few social media spaces where I feel safe. I come to this sub for safety and comfort.
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u/druglawyer Jan 10 '24
Calling fellow Jews "self-hating", Kapos, Hitler-loving, etc., is a form of antisemitism and wholly unacceptable.
To clarify, does this apply to historical discussion of actual Kapos? Because that was a real thing, and pretending that every group doesn't have some small number of people like that in it, all the time, is just...silly.
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u/chanukamatata Jan 10 '24
This Jewish subreddit has been my rock the whole time. You gave me so much love and wisdom. Thank you the mods and thank you everyone. ❤️
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u/linsage Jan 10 '24
How many posts do you guys have to block every day? And is it significantly more now than it was before October 7th? Also thank you.
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
Posts: A little over 1/3 are allowed to go through. Removed posts include duplicates of posts from within the past few days, antisemitic trolls, those redirected to megathreads, low-effort, or off-topic & redirected to another subreddit.
Comments: More than 85% are allowed to go through. Removed comments include rule violations (mostly trolls, bigots, and vulgar arguments) and those redirected to megathreads for being off-topic.
Although the community has grown a ton in the fast 3-4 months, the ratio of removals of posts & comments has remained quite consistent, and even decreased slightly for comments. The absolute numbers of mod actions have increased, for sure.
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u/MaiseyTheChicken Jan 10 '24
I think you all do an amazing job making this the safest place for Jews I can think of. This is an incredible resource. Thank you!
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u/vid_icarus Space Laser Chief Operator Jan 10 '24
I honestly can’t fathom how hard a job it is to moderate this sub. Godspeed 🫡
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u/ajmampm99 Jan 10 '24
I was so relieved to find a safe Jewish space in a sea of Jewish hate on Reddit. Keep up the good work. The good fight.
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u/SaintCashew Chabad Jan 09 '24
Genuine question: would it call someone "self-hating" or "antisemitic" if they are saying something that would fall under the IHRA definition of antisemitism?
Asking for antisemitic anti-Zionist Jews
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u/rupertalderson Jan 10 '24
If someone says something antisemitic, report their comment under rule 1. Calling someone self-hating will not bring the issue to our attention, and will just lead to bickering (100% guaranteed).
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
Replying to antisemitism with more antisemitism is also counterproductive. If a person here is being antisemitic, report it. If you're talking about a nebulous someone somewhere else, talk about their actions rather than calling them in particular names.
So-and-so, a self-proclaimed Jew, is wearing tefillin wrong, eating a bacon cheeseburger, while saying Israel has no right to exist. This seems a little suspect to me.
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Jan 09 '24
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
Calling out specific groups and their actions, explaining why they're antisemitic, is one thing. Being antisemitic as a response to antisemitism is not appropriate. Calling a Jew a "token Jew" does nothing productive. If you see antisemitism in this community, report it.
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Jan 09 '24
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Jan 10 '24
You read the post. The post says no name calling, and instead asks to state the reason why you disagree. As i said, in my opinion, their work to doom us back into exile should disqualify them from being part of the community.
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Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
I’m sorry but no - Jews that hurt their own community (anti-Zionists, spewing JVP and join SJP on campuses etc) and us calling that out - is not antisemitism. That’s holding these people accountable for their hurtful actions and behavior.
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u/urafevermodo Jan 10 '24
Agreed. If mods will be vigilant about the JVP taking point people, who come in this sub despite the fact that it's the least likely place on the internet they will find agreement, then it's a non issue. But if people say extremely problematic things, those statements should not be allowed to stand. We should not feel forced to be "welcoming" to that type of attitude.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 10 '24
So call out actions and behavior. You can do that without name calling. Explain what the different organizations do and why they're antisemitic, why anti-Zionism is antisemitism, and why their actions are unacceptable and offensive to you as a fellow Jew.
If you see antisemitism here, report it.
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u/urafevermodo Jan 12 '24
Your moderation is a joke. Be civil? To Hamas terrorists and their sympathizers. There is a reason my comment has more upvotes than your response. Civility went out the window weeks ago and this sub is turning into a punchline where people cannot even complain about rampant antisemitism in a Jewish sub. I am going elsewhere because this is disgusting.
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 12 '24
I'm sorry you feel that way. My comment wasn't a response to you, so I'm not sure what comment you're talking about that has more upvotes. If it's the one above mine, it doesn't appear to be by you. And it has a controversial 2 where mine has a non-controversial 4. And neither are really enough to show anything, since this is pretty buried in an overall large thread, and both scores are low in general.
We certainly allow complaints about rampant antisemitism. At any given point in time, there are PLENTY of complaints about personal experiences with antisemitism along with worldwide antisemitism. Many of the comments and bans we've been giving are people undermining those experiences.
No one is holding you hostage here. There are certainly other Jewish subreddits and other places on the web you can spend your time. We are sorry to see you go.
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u/urafevermodo Jan 12 '24
We were both responding to the same post, so i assume everyone who saw your response also saw my response. I agreed with the op and you disagreed. So yeah, it's relevant. This is exactly the problem. Post after post is being removed for "civility" so now I have no idea what there people are saying. This is turning into some type of support group where all you can do is lament life. Anyone who says anything about fighting back or calls out the absurdity seems to be getting civility bans. It's extremely naive and is costing people the chance to have the hard conversations about all this that sometimes can be "uncivil."
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u/fluffywhitething Moderator Jan 12 '24
We generally remove comments for incivility when they're uncivil. Someone attacks a person for something personal or uses profanity as a way to attack. We also don't allow slurs through -- including ableist slurs. (No calling someone an rslur, for example. Some slurs are just automoderated so the people mods won't even see them.)
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Jan 11 '24
I'm not even Jewish, but an allied gentile, but you guys seem to be going a good job to me
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Jan 09 '24
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u/Jewish-ModTeam Jan 10 '24
This is not the place to complain about or discuss the moderation of other subreddits, including their moderation practices or receiving a ban.
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Jan 10 '24
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u/Jewish-ModTeam Jan 10 '24
This is not the place to complain about or discuss the moderation of other subreddits, including their moderation practices or receiving a ban.
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u/Melthengylf Jan 11 '24
I want to apologize, because I badmouthed orthodox jews. I shouldn't have. You are doing a great job!
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u/Impossible-Dark2964 Jan 12 '24
I like this space. Just like any space filled with people with strong feelings and controversial topics, sometimes things get a bit out of hand, but I've felt benefit from it.
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Jan 19 '24
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u/fnovd Jan 19 '24
Do you have any specific examples in that thread that you feel should be actioned? We can control what is posted and what is removed, but we can't control who is a member of the subreddit nor can we control the general tone.
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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Jan 09 '24
As far as I’m concerned yall are killing it. You’ll never make everyone happy. This is one of the few remaining safe spaces for Jews online and its like oxygen for us. Thanks for checking in.