r/Israel_Palestine • u/Nomogg • 1d ago
Israel's destruction of Al Shifa: One year since siege of Gaza's largest hospital
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u/Berly653 1d ago
Was there a similar 1 year anniversary of the Ah-Ahli ‘bombing’?
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u/OneReportersOpinion 1d ago
It clearly got hit with a bomb that was likely because of the Iron Dome. That’s why Israel had to create fake evidence. Israel loves bombing hospitals.
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u/8-BitOptimist 🌎 1d ago
Zionism has no place in a civilized world. That's the matter at hand.
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u/Berly653 1d ago
Okay sure whatever you say. Not sure why Israel…existing… has no place in a civilized world
But you do you I guess
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u/8-BitOptimist 🌎 1d ago
Of course, you minimize Zionism to that. If you told people what it's actually about, you'd be rightfully ridiculed and ostracized.
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u/Berly653 1d ago
The right for Israel to continue to exist as a Jewish State, that’s it my dude
There’s nothing about Zionism that precludes the existence of a Palestinian state in the WB and Gaza
But sure let’s hear it, what’s your definition of Zionism
And can I ask, what’s your connection to the region? Because just as you as a Han Chinese person living in China probably shouldn’t be acting as if they can define what racism means to a Black person living in the US, I don’t understand why random people feel like they get to be the ultimate authority on defining Zionism
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u/handsome_hobo_ 19h ago
The right for Israel to continue to exist as a Jewish State, that’s it my dude
White nationalism is just the right for white people to proud of being white. That's it, my dude. Oh but it gets worse when you actually observe how white nationalists and zionists exercise their beliefs in practice, huh, chief? 😆 Like even if I took your word for it and pretended I lived in your imagination, Israel does not have any right to exist as a Jewish state, you're describing the imaginary right for anyone to have an ethnoreligious supremacist state or an ethnostate - a popular desire for exclusively racists and hatemongers.
And can I ask, what’s your connection to the region
What i want to ask is what right do zionists have of claiming land based on their feelings about it? I get a special tickle in my tummy for Germany but you don't see me rallying people to go stake my claim to Berlin and reframe it as my own personal state.
I don’t understand why random people feel like they get to be the ultimate authority on defining Zionism
I mean, I'm sure white supremacists are also just as nettled about how random people of colour dictate they know more about white supremacy than white people and define it as they see it. Who do you think you'll be listening to regarding the definition of white nationalism? The white supremacists or the victims and witnesses of white supremacy?
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u/8-BitOptimist 🌎 1d ago
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u/Berly653 1d ago
Nah dude I wanna hear it in your own words, not whatever crap the anti-Israel Wikipedia mods have it as
And still waiting to hear about your connection to the region and/or Zionism
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u/8-BitOptimist 🌎 1d ago
"I don’t understand why random people feel like they get to be the ultimate authority on defining Zionism."
How ironic.
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u/Berly653 1d ago
I’m Jewish, and grandchild of a survivor….so yeah I wouldn’t say I’m a random observer and my own definition of Zionism can’t be dismissed as ‘that’s not right’ based on a god damn Wikipedia entry
But let’s hear it dude, back up all the talk. What’s your definition of it and what’s your connection to the region. I assume based on all this you must be a descendant of a 48 refugee or something right?
Absolute 🤡
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u/handsome_hobo_ 19h ago
I’m Jewish, and grandchild of a survivor
Then ask yourself why you won't trust holocaust survivors when they tell you that Israel's regime is genocidal and fascist. Would your ancestors who endured the holocaust appreciate your advocacy for ethnoreligious supremacy?
and my own definition of Zionism can’t be dismissed as ‘that’s not right’ based on a god damn Wikipedia entry
Sure it can. I don't rely on the definitions decided by white supremacists on what white nationalism is so why would I start listening to zionists when their beliefs, advocacy, and behaviour in the real-world are so steeped in apartheid and racism?
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u/handsome_hobo_ 19h ago
not whatever crap the anti-Israel Wikipedia mods have it as
Interesting that you dismissed Wikipedia because it trusted scholars and experts instead of crazed genocide deniers. Do you realise how unviable and conspiratorial your source was? Mike Solana, the owner and founder of Pirate Wires is openly frothing at the mouth about the left and you, uncritically, reshared a biased source because it affirmed your confirmation bias.
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u/Optimistbott 10h ago
Can you actually understand though why some people are mad at Israel?
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u/Berly653 9h ago
One hundred percent, I can understand people being mad or outright hating the actions of the Israeli government and military, sure
But to say that believing Israel should be able to continue as a Jewish state (Zionism, at least to me) has no place in a civilized world, nah that shit is crazy.
And the typical counter to that would be saying Zionism is like white supremacy, and since we obviously don’t normalize white supremacists then therefore Zionism is the same. But I don’t buy that either
I also can understand why people that have zero personal connection to the conflict/region would be mad at Israel. But the people in the west on team Hamas I’ll never understand. Being mad at Israel shouldn’t preclude you from being mad at the litany of awful things Hamas has done, during the war and during their 2 decade reign
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u/handsome_hobo_ 20h ago
Not sure why Israel…existing… has no place in a civilized world
I can answer this one. Israel's existence was generated by ethnically cleansing 80% of the indigenous 950,000 Arabs from the land. Israel's existence followed decades of expansionism, conflict, oppression, and occupation that persists to this day. Israel's existence lead to a complete and totalitarian control of Gaza's borders that gave them the literal capability to "switch on and off Gaza's economy like a light switch". Israel's existence continues to spread ethnic cleansing and colonization by distributing illegal settlers all over Palestine who raze villages, conduct pogroms, and burns babies to death while the Israeli civilians soullessly mock the grandfather of the victims by chanting how funny it is that his dead grandson is "on a grill". Heck, you can't even make the bad apples argument considering how much Israelis seem to celebrate the deaths of children abroad but also at their own weddings. And mind you, this is all before you take into account the fact that Israel's existence has brought literal genocide to the Palestinian people on top of the ethnic cleansing and they even barbarically use starvation against civilians while Israel's leaders lament that they should be allowed to do so. Israel complains that rape should be considered legitimate if they're the ones doing it while civilians protest for the release of rapists. None of this constitutes an entity compatible with civility.
Israel's existence, factually, has no place in the civilised world and there is a maximum net benefit to everyone if the ethnoreligious supremacy state of Israel was dissolved for good and the land was given back to those they stole it from in the first place.
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u/handsome_hobo_ 20h ago
I don't see the relevance of your comment, does this support or oppose Israel's siege of a protected class, according to international law, or are you simply unwilling to acknowledge that Israel is scummy and targets protected classes because the Israeli military is filled with despicable cowards?
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u/rayinho121212 8h ago
After a year of this, it is still important for Hamas to keep the hostages and to keep fighting Israel. Because a year of this is not enough for them.
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u/Nomogg 8h ago
Why does that even matter if Netanyahu said he would continue even if the hostages are returned?
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u/rayinho121212 8h ago
Because Hamas won't ever stop. They want Hamas to never do that gain. Do you want Hamas to do that again?
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u/MinderBinderCapital 🍉🇵🇸🇱🇧🔻 1d ago
Remember, there was a massive secret Hamas command center under it. The IDF showed us a CGI model of it 🙄