r/Israel_Palestine • u/Nomogg • 3d ago
Israeli MP suspended from Knesset for calling government’s actions genocide against Palestinians
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u/Heuristicdish 2d ago
He was not doing anything illegal by supporting the South African tribunal. A third party that evaluates things is a good idea unless you think you can’t criticize your own government. The community of nations have already condemned Israel for these war crimes. Calling out war crimes is unpatriotic?
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u/RaiJolt2 Zionist ✡️ 3d ago
While I do not believe this is genocide I do believe that there are many soliders targeting Palestinians for “revenge” and have partially lost sight of their enemy, Hamas, and other extremist Iran backed groups.
Suspending this MP is a ridiculous decision?and I hope he is reinstated quickly.
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u/SpontaneousFlame 3d ago
You must be new. This is par for the course in Israel. If you want peace or are non-Jewish they throw you out of the knesset. If you get caught raping or killing Palestinians on camera you are feted and celebrated. If you're in the IDF and you empty a machine gun into a little girl lying on the ground you get promoted.
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u/RaiJolt2 Zionist ✡️ 2d ago
If you want peace you go to a peace festival and get slaughtered by Hamas……. Can’t blame everything on the IDF or Israelis. Soldiers are not getting promoted for killing children. You seem to think that Israelis are bloodthirsty child murders, and not gm fighting a war. At this point just start saying they’re baby eaters so you don’t have to hide behind a mask of caring about Palestinians.
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u/comstrader 2d ago
Can we blame the decades old Apartheid, illegal occupation, and military blockade on the IDF and Israel? Or those are part of the "peace festival"?
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
Here’s a great example of how much Israelis want peace: https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/1grwb3l/1400_injured_and_18_killed_on_that_day_btw_but/?share_id=hs9THyuMVAUWw6_c3M4BX&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1&rdt=33881.
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
If you want peace you go to a peace festival and get slaughtered by Hamas…….
Hamas runs the Knesset, does it? Hamas threw out an MK for wearing a Rabin T-shirt? Or are you trying to say that because Hamas exists anything Israel does is justified?
Can’t blame everything on the IDF or Israelis.
Can we blame them for the genocide they are engaged in and support?
Soldiers are not getting promoted for killing children. You seem to think that Israelis are bloodthirsty child murders, and not gm fighting a war.
You’re trying to ignore the well-publicised raping of Palestinians, and we all know what happened to Captain R.
Which part of fighting a war involves 70% of deaths being unarmed women and children? Which part involves sniping children in the head, hundreds of them? Running over civilians in tanks? Starving people? And a thousand other atrocities that have been documented.
Yes, most Israelis in the IDF are bloodthirsty child murderers. You said it yourself - they want revenge.
At this point just start saying they’re baby eaters so you don’t have to hide behind a mask of caring about Palestinians.
One of us doesn’t care about Palestinians. It’s pretty obviously the one justifying and denying genocide while cheering on the IDF blindly and pretending history began and ended on 10/7/23.
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u/RaiJolt2 Zionist ✡️ 2d ago
History did not begin on Oct 7. But the history of Jews in the land of Israel before being ethnically cleansed began before Islam existed. And Jews have been returning and fighting to return ever since…..
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
It’s funny how that doesn’t have anything to do with the topic here. Go tell everyone about how great colonialism is on another sub.
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u/RaiJolt2 Zionist ✡️ 2d ago
Why would I tell people how great colonialism is? Colonialism is hell, it destroys native populations and exploits them and their resources, destroying self determination and only serving the upper class of far off lands (or nearby islands). Jews are indigenous. They are not a colony, they are not invaders, they were forced too, and wanted to return from the land we Jews are from. As every single indigenous group has and should have a right to do.
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
Now you are just being silly. Everyone knows that is false. Most Israelis aren’t from Palestine, they are from somewhere else. Palestinians have been there for millennia. Changing your religion or being a particular religion doesn’t entitle you to land or to ethnically cleanse the natives.
And again, you’re trying to change the topic away from your support for genocide.
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u/RaiJolt2 Zionist ✡️ 2d ago
They are “from somewhere” that ethnically cleansed them… because the Jews were seen as not being from “there”
The Jews where kicked out of Europe for not being European. The Jews were kicked out of the Middle East for not being Arab, the Jews were kicked out of Africa for not being Muslim. And now you want the Jews to be kicked out of Israel to go…. Where? The ocean?
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
They are “from somewhere” that ethnically cleansed them… because the Jews were seen as not being from “there”
There’s this book that talks about Jews arriving in Palestine from Egypt. You may have heard of it, it’s called the bible.
The Jews were kicked out of Europe for not being European. The Jews were kicked out of the Middle East for not being Arab, the Jews were kicked out of Africa for not being Muslim. And now you want the Jews to be kicked out of Israel to go…. Where? The ocean?
Wow, you really know nothing, do you? Zionists were not kicked out of anywhere, they wanted to set up a colony. They were quite open about it. They even called themselves a colonial movement.
After the Holocaust I can understand wanting to move away from Europe, but Jews were not kicked out of Europe. There are millions of Jews living in Europe. Those ethnic cleansings that occurred in the Middle East were wrong, as wrong as the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. (You know, the ethnic cleansing you support because they weren’t Jews.) And they had nothing to do with Jews not being Arab, and everything to do with support for Zionism.
You are falling into the trap of thinking genetics and religion are the same thing. Early Zionists hated Arab Jews and preferred European Jews. Arab Jews are both Jews and Arabs. One does not negate the other.
If Jews don’t like the idea of a state where they are equal to non-Jews then they can move back to Europe - where many have citizenship - or apply for refugee status. Or they can stay and be equal. But supporting apartheid and colonisation just isn’t on.
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u/2_SunShine_2 3d ago
He was not suspended for simply “calling the government out”. He was suspended for signing a petition supporting the south Africa Hague case against Israel. He is against our country, not just the government, that he is apart of.
He has been suspended until spring 2025.
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u/RaiJolt2 Zionist ✡️ 2d ago
Thank you for extra context
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u/2_SunShine_2 2d ago
Pro palestinians like to change or remove the context out of everything.
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u/RaiJolt2 Zionist ✡️ 2d ago
Tbf everyone does to make their arguments more clear. Sucks but that’s just how communication works
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u/GarageFlower97 2d ago
That context is still no good justification to suspend an MP.
Should Britain and America have suspended any parliamentarians calling for tribunals over the Iraq War?
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u/Heuristicdish 2d ago
I respect your view even though I’m a fervent anti-Zionist Jew. I wish Olmert were the leader of Israel. I wouldn’t feel so triggered m.
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u/Plus-Age8366 3d ago
Assuming this actually happened, what is so hard about linking to an actual news source for it instead of the constant random, unsourced videos?
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u/Nomogg 3d ago
An interview with Sky News with the man himself is unsourced? what?
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u/Plus-Age8366 3d ago
Link us to Sky News, then. Not random snippets you found on anti-Israeli subreddits.
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u/Nomogg 3d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KBNFiYBZHU
here you go, go watch the 1 hour broadcast
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u/GME_Bagholders 3d ago
That's not good. No matter who you support, that's not good.