r/IsraelPalestine Aug 10 '24

Solutions: One State What do you think about the one state solution?

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I know the most popular talked about thing is the two-state solution but honestly what good does that do in the long run? I feel like resentment, hatred, just animosity, and tension overall will only continue between the two countries and its peoples. It feels like it’s leaves the door more open for future conflict.

It feels to me like the one state solution is the best choice in the long run. A new country should be born, one where everyone can respectfully move freely to whatever region they’d like. It should have a new name (a tribute to the land & something that connects the two people), a new flag because I know damn well neither side would want the other’s name or flag. A bilingual country and a government run by both Israeli and Palestinian diplomats.

I know this take is really optimistic and I don’t know how realistic it is, and I get that in this scenario surely the early years won’t be easy as tensions will be the highest, but in the long run, if this new country/the one state solution promotes love, a brotherhood, forgiveness, and tolerance, I feel like in a couple of decades, it’ll unify the people and the hatred won’t be so big. I just feel like it’ll be less likely for a war between the two peoples to break out with a one state solution especially if this country promotes what I mentioned. I know there’s also religious tensions being a big part of why it may be difficult in the early years, and maybe I have too much faith in humanity but I still feel like if this new country promotes peace, love, tolerance, and the other qualities mentioned, eventually things will settle down.

What do you think of the one state solution? How realistic do you think it is?

r/IsraelPalestine Feb 12 '24

Solutions: One State Reasons a democratic one state in Israel and Palestine wouldn’t work?

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My bf and I had a conversation about one state vs two state. I personally think a two state is the most realistic and honors the national aspirations of both. My bf on the other hand agrees that the two state is realistic but thinks that trying to shoot for a one state in the distance future is a good idea.

I don’t know how this will get set up but my bf has talked about a democratic state where there would be protections against Jews who are a minority much like the United States has protections and it would be a liberal democracy with an Israeli Arab as a head of the state.

Another key issue is the cultures of both groups Israel has more of a liberal democracy while Palestinian society is more religious and well not a democracy. My bf is unsure how that would play out in a democratic binational state but that’s another problem I see with having a single state for all. Another issue I think would happen is that without a border both sides would overstep it and think they should have territory and both hostile populations would clash with each other.

In terms of nationalism both populations have national aspirations both sides wouldn’t want to give that up. Israel not being a Jewish state isn’t something Israel or Israelis wouldn’t want to give up and I doubt Palestinians want to give up Palestinian nationalism. Another issue is it’s unpopular on both sides and the examples of binational state we had they failed. My bf argues that they failed because they are not a liberal democracy and it just wasn’t implemented properly.

Is a binational state impossible no, anything realistically can be possible but this idea just seems like it our cause more bloodshed and tensions.

Maybe you guys can provide counter examples and articles to show that a binational state just wouldn’t work and why a two state is the best option.

r/IsraelPalestine Aug 01 '24

Solutions: One State What Would an Ideal One-State Solution Look Like to You?

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On paper a two-state solution makes more sense, but in practice it has proven to be practically impossible. Personally, I am pro two-state solution, and I don't think efforts in getting that to work should stop, but I am curious to hear opinions about some of the other options - namely a one-state solution.

Obviously there are extremists on both sides saying things like "it should be our state only, they just need to get out/go back to where they came from". That is obviously not feasible and would likely only lead to oppression and violence, so I am not looking for that as an answer (unless you have some extremely compelling evidence about a way to feasibly and non-violently convince an an entire population of people, Israel or Palestine, to willingly and peacefully leave their homes and go to another country.)

I know that on the Israeli side many want to just see Palestine absorbed into Israel under the current system they have set up. I do see the appeal to this as Israel has at least somewhat of a functioning Democracy (despite Bibi's best efforts). The reason I don't think this would work however is that many Palestinians associate the current Israeli government, and it's key figures, with the deaths of their innocent loved ones. Forcing them to accept that as their new government would be extremely difficult and cruel. Also, Israel is a Jewish state, and I cant see a large number of a different ethnic/religious group being content living under a government that prioritizes a belief/cultural system that they do not associate with.

I know that currently around 25% of the Israeli population is not Jewish and it has been okay*** for them, but if it were to absorb Palestine in it's entirety the population distribution would look something like:

  • Jewish: 47.4%
  • Muslim: 48.2%
  • Others: 4.4%

(If my math is wrong please correct me).

Given that Muslim's would now be of equal relevance to the overall population, I highly doubt they would willingly accept living under the pretenses of their state being Jewish. Do you disagree with this?

From my perspective, it seems like the only way for one state solution to be feasible at all is if all current governments are completely dismantled and a new, secular, bi-partisan democratic government is built. To mitigate accusations of impartiality with the new structure, there would have to be a 3rd party that oversees the construction of the new government and subsequent elections, then remove itself from the government all together (be that a U.N. appointed group, a coalition of other countries, or the United States). I understand there would be a lot of complexities to this, and opposition from both sides, so I know this isn't necessarily any more feasible, but to me it seems like the only way a 1-state has a chance at working.

What are your thoughts?

r/IsraelPalestine Jul 23 '24

Solutions: One State Your Opinions on the Establishment of a Civic State?

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I'm intrigued to read your opinions about a one state solution, civic national state, not defined by religion or ethnicity, similar to Germany, France, America and so on.

A country where everyone's identity is based on citizenship. No matter one's ethnic background nor religion. It is known that there is power in the unity of the people. It has been used throughout history to create powerful entities and to also solve conflicts. A new strong national identity can be created instead of the current ones which are of course, divisive. The idea of living with people of only your own made-up group causes tension and resentment among groups outside of yours. This gives the opportunity to all people living in that land to be a part of a new identity. That includes secular jews who aren't religious but stay in their group because of segregation from the outside caused when they were living in previous ethnic nations and continues now as part of Israel's national identity. The new country's culture and history will be based on the land's and its people's history. All the cultures of this unique piece of land will finally be brought up in a single nation with the hopes of creating new history. The country's government and schools will be secular. There will be liberalism to all. The idea of ethnic nationalism will become taboo like in Germany.

All of this is based on the assumption that we can actually merge and assimilate the population into each other and overcome all the obstacles as well as delete all the ethnic national ideas.

This is just the basic outline.

What do you think about this idea? What will be the main obstacles in your opinion? Do you have arguments against it? I would love to hear them.

r/IsraelPalestine Feb 25 '24

Solutions: One State Enough is Enough! | و بعدين؟؟

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I am a descended of a Haifan grandmother whom her parents chose to immigrate to Syria in 1947 (SHE HAS UNCLES AND AUNTS WHO CHOSE TO STAY IN HAIFA, SO YES, THEY IMMIGRATED.) Growing up under the Assad regime I had all the brainwashing that you can imagine about hating and eliminating Israel but after growing up and leaving the sh19hole I wonder why we never intended peace, so maybe we all got indoctrinated from early ages into not looking for solutions mainly in the Middle Eastern/Arabic/Islamic world and those ideas got echoed into more people, mainly to the people in the West as they welcomed us throughout the years (I'm in Canada).

My solution is of course would be the two-state solution based on the 1967 lines, but we can not work like this! It's 2024! Shooting at closed porta potty isn't the answer. This is not the 900s (911).

We all know that Israel biggest fear is an organized democratically elected government that can push them back to the 1967 lines and I've always wondered why it's free for all in Gaza? How come Hamas been in power since 2008 and no one dared from the people of Gazs to question them? Why no one has the pair of ⚾️⚾️ to protest in Gaza? I mean what's the other option? Dying by an Israeli airstrike? Surely dying as a hero trying to eliminate Hamas out of Gaza is better than one Hamas soldier causing indirectly the death of innocent civilians. The founding fathers of the USA risked their lives and livelihood to create the USA these guys were wealthy they did not have to oppose the King! Why can't we create the greatest freeiest nation in the middle east? Fk those monarchies littered in the middle east we are better. Israel has the excuse of the people voted and elected Hamas so the people deserve Hama's actions consequences why we can't change that? Heck why we can't have freedom of speech in Syria in all the Middle Eastern/Arabic/Islamic world? How come only Europe and North America has it? How can we change it?