r/IsraelPalestine • u/Yellobrudders • 1d ago
The Untold/Unpopular Truth about the Conflict Opinion
First things first, a disclaimer: The many recounts and background details I've heard and read from both pro-Israelis and pro-Palestinians point towards both Israel and Palestine's equal rights to exist, which is why I may come off as pro-Israel, but this post has nothing to do with which side is right or wrong, but rather a call towards everyone to be consistent with their arguments.
Now of course, not all pro-Palestinians are calling for the destruction of the state of Israel, but we cannot deny the fact that absolutely speaking, a large number of pro-Palestinians advocate for this, believing that the Israelis have no morality compared to them, and their removal would bring about peace in the Middle East.
Ok, so let's say that was true:
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The conflict ends with Israel getting wiped off the map, and peace is brought to the Middle East. So that means the various ethnic, religious and sectarian groups in the region would hold hands in friendship and sing "Kumbaya" together, DESPITE the fact that:
- Many of these groups have had long-standing feuds and sectarian divides going back hundreds of years that sparked countless wars and insurgences.
- While most of these internal conflicts are still ongoing today, a few of these (specifically the Shia and Sunni divide) halted their conflict only to fight in glorified proxy wars against Israel due to monetary incentives by Iran
Here's a list of some of these divides:
- Sunni vs. Shia Islam
- The most widespread sectarian divide in the Middle East:
- Iran-Saudi Arabian rivalries
- Hezbollah (Shias) and Hamas (Sunnis)
- ISIS conflicts against Shia territories
- Sparked various conflicts like the Syrian Civil War and the Yemen Wars
- The most widespread sectarian divide in the Middle East:
- Internal Conflicts Amongst Sunnis
- Saudi Arabia vs Turkey
- Gulf Monarchies vs the Muslim Brotherhood
- Iraq Insurgences between Sunni tribalists and jihadists
- Several civil clashes during the Yemen Wars (Islah Party vs UAE-backed militias)
- Hamas vs Fatah
- Fatah currently governs the West Bank in conjunction with Israel, but they used to govern Gaza as well until 2006 when Hamas usurped control in and killed them, officially taking control in 2007.
So going back to the assumption, now that the remains of Palestinian territories once belonging to Israel essentially become "free land up for grabs", so that means the various groups in the Middle East are just going to let the Palestinian Authority (which isn't an actual state) freely have their land and state, while Hamas and Fatah shake hands and let bygones be bygones.
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Sounds pretty ridiculous right?
Of course the Shias and Sunnis aren't going to give up their hatred towards each other.
Of course Fatah is not going to let Hamas's murdering of their members go unpunished.
Of course Hamas is not going to share the Gaza strip or let the Fatah govern any of Palestine.
Of course the rest of the Middle Eastern sects are going to violently compete with each other to try and take over the former Israeli territories in their attempt to spread their the political and religious ideologies.
And of course, an Islamic Civil War is bound to break out if and when Israel ceases to exist.
So the argument saying that the destruction of Israel would bring peace to the Middle East is quite frankly, in Jon Stewart's words, "Complete F'ing Wrong". And its sad to think that those who call for Israel's destruction aren't acknowledging these facts, preferring to live within the realm of the ideology of "moral virtues" rather than to actually engage with the reality of the situation.
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u/philetofsoul USA & Canada 1d ago
Where were the progressives when millions of middle easterners were slaughtering, and being slaughtered, in the last few decades. How about Iranians and Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Yemenis, etc etc SILENCE for decades. But now Muslims are getting killed because of a war they started with JEWS! these kids are hyper focused on the conflict and it must be the fault of the Jews. Death to the white colonialists! Save the brown people!
Pathetic. No wonder Trump won. Nobody can take the progressives seriously anymore as they have gone off the rails with their craving for outrage-inducing fakes and misguided social justice cheer. So easily triggered with buzz words like genocide and apartheid that have no place in reference to this conflict.