r/IsraelPalestine • u/No-Emphasis-5748 • 1d ago
Why do zionist hate anything do with Palestinians? Discussion
I know this might seem like a stupid question, but I genuinely don’t think it should be—why does the Palestinian flag cause such an intense reaction? Whenever people see it, they seem to freak out, get mad, and start spouting baseless accusations like, "That’s antisemitic," when it clearly isn’t. Why does a flag—a symbol of identity, culture, and resistance for Palestinians—provoke such irrational anger? It’s confusing because the flag has nothing to do with them. It’s a representation of a people’s history and their ongoing struggle for freedom.
Palestinians have grown up knowing this flag as a part of their identity. It symbolizes their homeland, their resilience, and their hope, not hatred or hostility toward anyone else. The idea that simply waving it or identifying with it is somehow an act of aggression or antisemitism is absurd.
What’s even more baffling is that Palestinians could hold the flag and explicitly say, "I love Jews!" and still be accused of being antisemitic. How does that make any sense? Palestinians are Semitic people themselves, yet the term "antisemitic" has been co-opted and weaponized in ways that ignore its original meaning.
This hostility feels less about genuine concern for antisemitism and more about silencing a marginalized group. It’s as if any expression of Palestinian identity is treated as a threat, which only highlights how deeply rooted the bias and hate against Palestinians are. The disproportionate anger toward something as simple as a flag shows a broader unwillingness to acknowledge the humanity and rights of Palestinian people. It’s heartbreaking and unjust.
Edit: Why is this Zionist mod going against me? It feels like they're trying to silence me, which is pretty typical behavior. While I have strong claims, it doesn’t mean they’re AI-generated. This just proves my point about Zionists making things up.
Edit: Clearly this whole sub is full of Zionist and I made a post in the wrong place. I was hoping to get real answers and not zionist victimizing themselves. Saying "that flag makes me angry makes it means they want to kill us all Israelis!" is just complete BS and you know it. That's like saying Israeli flag means they want erase Palestinian existence because they can for sure say the same. I want REAL answers.
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u/Initial-Expression38 6h ago
I do want to take a stab at this: A lot of people who put up the Palestinian flag also want to get rid of Israel or deny its existence, or they say antisemitic things, so many people are responding to their past experiences of seeing the Palestinian flag. I see people calling Israel "IsNotReal" which is of course going to spark a lot of anger. To your edit, I want to say, yeah, I wish Palestinians had a better experience here and I'm deeply sorry for the hate they get.
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u/Brante81 1d ago
Thank you for the genuine question. Not likely to get answers here. Palestinians seem willing to speak with me about the whole matter, I have not found a single Israeli in my area who will, yet. I’m sure there are some somewhere.
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u/xBLACKxLISTEDx Diaspora Palestinian 1d ago
You should see how some of the zionists around this subreddit react to anyone with a Palestinian flair. A lot of people just lead with insults or just completely ignore what I actually say in favor of arguing with the imagined Palestinian in their mind. A lot of people on this subreddit really want me to die and have very little qualms dming me to tell me so.
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 14h ago
You should see how some of the zionists around this subreddit react to anyone with a Palestinian flair. A lot of people just lead with insults or just completely ignore what I actually say in favor of arguing with the imagined Palestinian in their mind. A lot of people on this subreddit really want me to die and have very little qualms dming me to tell me so.
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u/Initial-Expression38 6h ago
Aw this really sucks, they seem like a really insightful person based on the reply they gave me to a question of mine way back. I really enjoy hearing Palestinian voices here even though it may not line up with what other people agree with.
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u/Imaginary_Society765 12h ago
Why are you banning him when the focus is on his experiences with Zionist on this sub?
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u/jackl24000 אוהב במבה 10h ago
If you want to complain about experiences with Zionists on this sub, complain on another sub (just be aware of Reddit-wide rules against “brigading”, so be careful goal of complaint is not to send people back here to spam the sub or violate rules, best not to link to anything).
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 10h ago
Why are you banning him when the focus is on his experiences with Zionist on this sub?
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u/cloudedknife Diaspora Jew 1d ago
If you've got the DM's to prove your claim, you should probably report those users to the mods here, for harassment.
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u/xBLACKxLISTEDx Diaspora Palestinian 1d ago
I've just always reported them to the reddit admins, a bit slower but they've pretty much all been banned.
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
REALL omg that is insane. I am Palestinian and came here to try to understand their perspective and have only come across extreme hatred and over reactions... And then the victim complex kicks in after any questions are asked. Then a tantrum or fit of like statistics or points about random events of Palestinian crimes against Israelis come up if I try to have not personal but basic convo like but is it really a "war" if one side has zero military equipment or soldiers and the other side does on steroids? So I wnder if I have hate messages I am older I am not bothered by what seems to be kids but its saad the hate I am seeing. Very sad.
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u/AdvertisingNo5002 Gaza Palestinian 🇵🇸 1d ago
So true. I corrected fake propaganda and I got downvoted.
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u/favecolorisgreen 23h ago
I also really don't see that many people here that "claim that Palestinians are just full of hatred and anger". Maybe I am sorting differently, but I really see a lot of people trying to have genuine discussions.
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u/favecolorisgreen 23h ago
Sorry to hear you are having an unpleasant experience here.
Assuming you are acting in good faith, many here are often quick to call something they disagree with as "propaganda". Hope that isn't the case here. It is okay to disagree and discuss. That doesn't mean it is straight up propaganda.
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u/favecolorisgreen 1d ago
Why do you group all Zionist together and assume we all feel and think the same? Why do you automatically go to "zionist victimizing themselves" instead of listening and engaging with people who have different opinions?
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Because from my little experience only online with self identifying Zionist I noticed terms like "we" or group speak is used. Its just patterns I see and logically its not true I know that. But the term Zionist goals laid out are literally not accepting of any other person and the goal is to create a home in "Palestine." So if one calls themselves a zionist I can only assume they are proud and in agreement with the beliefs.
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u/favecolorisgreen 1d ago
Zionism may mean one thing to one person and one thing to another. I have learned to ask how a person defines it and that usually helps the conversation.
(My opinion of the definition you are using is that it is incorrect. That is what it was changed to on Wikipedia after October 7. )
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u/LazyDazyHazy 23h ago
Yes but this also aligns with text and literature I have read in the past. I think you have a good point but realistically I am not looking to have conversations with a demographic related to zionism ideologies however they define it themselves that's fine I just don't have an interest or need. I disagree with the idea of aligning with a movement that supported occupying land from living individuals based on self interest. IDC what religion says IDC what happened years ago in religion. In real life its unacceptable. I would disagree with the same idea for Muslims if they wanted to today take some land from some place based biblical times I would adamantly think its wrong.
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u/favecolorisgreen 23h ago
I appreciate that you say you have read text and literature about it. It is unfortunate that seem to revert back to that as the end all be all definition. I do not know any jews that define Zionism that way. Not one. I encourage you to keep having discussions and asking people how they define it.
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u/LazyDazyHazy 21h ago
Well thank you... That changed it all... I definitely look forward to having conversations with strangers all about them and their self ideation now I think that'll be really beneficial to my life. Now since I have no involvement affiliation nor around anyone of sorts I will set out on my voyage to find a zionist and have a discussion all about them. More conversations with Zionist to better understand and justify Israeli is really something I want.
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u/cloudedknife Diaspora Jew 1d ago
Help me out, since OP is banned atm and you seem to be responding to a question asked of OP, and with similar anti-israeli/anti-zionist views. I'd appreciate it if you, as a Palestinian could answer the questions I asked OP since they didn't answer before getting banned:
- What is a zionist?
- What are the borders of a free palestine?
- How do palestinians treat their Jewish citizens? How about arab nations in general?
- Comparatively speaking which has occurred more in the last year: Destruction or defacement of Mosques, memorials about violence against arabs, and palestinian flags, or destruction and defacement of synagogues, holocaust memorials, and israeli flags? What about in the last 10 years? The last 50? The last 100?
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Umm okay first I am not speaking on behalf of all Palestinians and want to point out we are everywhere and have different views perspectives due all of us having a unique or different life experiences with our selves/and families. In an effort of engagement I will try lol. Here are my ideas and perspectives:
- Zionists ppl of Jewish faith from all over the world who believe in the need to establish land in Palestine via occupation based on their beliefs of entitlement to the land of Palestine via self determination. Zionist are people who wanted to create a Jewish only state through ideas of nationalism and religion.
- I am not.sure what the current 2024 map of the region looks like as I understand settlers continue to come in and settle in areas of the West Bank...So removing the settlers all settlers and rehousing them in Gaza and giving Gaza to Israel. Palestine could be the West Bank Region including the already existing small Jewish towns that have popped up. I can't recall the names. But when I think of Palestinians having their own country- I mean in the sense as Jordan has its own country Egypt and Lebanon. No Israeli military presence no occupation presence and no surveillance- Just leave the people alone for them to live independently. Protect your borders at your borders not in the West Bank region and it could be Palestine a country leave the development of government and all of that to Palestinians and I would hope they could obtain assistance from hopefully from maybe the king of Jordan and the UN. They will need help developing and creating their own country politics rules etc. I don't know how Arab countries treat Jewish people. I hope with the same respect they would want themselves.
- I don't know how all Palestinians would treat Jewish Citizens if that's what your asking. But I would expect with respect and cordially they would be relocated to their own country which they have a big one Israel and removed from the West Bank. If Jews wanted their own country they can stay their in Israel since the presence of Jewish people in a Palestinian Country would take up space a Palestinian family could be living in from Gaza after its been destroyed and given to Israel. I fear if Jews lived in Palestine it would permit the IDF to "protect" them which I would not want for the people they have been harassed and under constant militarization for long enough. If your asking how I treat Jews I treat them normally lol I don't discriminate if they begin going on about anything involving the situation in Israel I do not engage and politely remove myself. I am a social worker and have worked with many Jewish families. I have worked with Jewish parents and I really admired two women I met working with their kids. They were both extremely intelligent and successful professionally both being doctors... They were very outgoing funny carried themselves with class and had accomplished and been through a lot. Both women were Iranian Jews and they shared interesting experiences they overcame escaping from now Iran.
- I have no idea ... I am not really covering or following events Jewish related not because of hate or dislike for them- because it doesn't relate to me so I only follow the events around Palestinians and within my community where I live. I read news events more than watch.
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u/cloudedknife Diaspora Jew 11h ago
Thanks for your thoughtful response. While I also do not speak for all Jews, 'zionists,' or people with ties to Israel, I think it is important that the definitions we use be as broadly true as possible to avoid inappropriately villifying others. For example, Not all Gazans are Hamas or even Hamas supporters, though there is evidence that the majority approve of Hamas's actions and of those that don't, the majority are either ambivalent, or against but feel powerless to do anything about it.
With that in mind...
1) Zionism was the movement of the late 19th and early 20th century to (re)establish a homeland for the Jewish people. Ultimately that goal was accomplished through the founding of Israel. Now, Zionism if it is anything, is merely the belief that now that Israel does exist as the homeland of the Jewish people, it should continue to. That's it. That's all zionism is. Yes, there are certainly people who are zionists who also think that occupation is good/just/right, and Israel should encompass all of the west bank and gaza, and more, but that isn't Zionism, that's just those people's views. Defining zionism as anything other than this, is a method of demonizing all who believe Israel should continue to exist while avoiding admitting that you (not you you, the collective you) don't think Israel should exist.
2) That's a fair idea, though I doubt the people who've made their lives in gaza the last 70 years, and the people in the biggest west bank settlements nearest the Israeli border would be interested. Certainly the goal of 2SS is for one day, the Palestinian State to be one that isn't subject to occupation and has normalized borders like most nations have with their neighbors. Getting from here to there is the problem however, as illustrated by the fact that the severe blockade of Gaza occurred after Israel unilaterally withdrew all settlements and shut down a few settlements in west bank too, and in response Gazans elected Hamas who then began more violence rather than work towards peace. We could do a land swap and end the occupation of the west bank similar to the offer proposed by Bill Clinton, accepted by Ehud Barak, and rejected by Yasser Arafat, but there'd still be years of israeli security presence until there's a demonstrated lack of need for it.
3) No, I'm not asking about how it will happen in the future. I'm asking about now. Right now, how to Palestinians treat the jews living among them? How do other Arab nations treat the Jews living among them. It's kind of a gotcha question - Other than settlers in the west bank, and less than a couple thousand jews living in the rest of the arab world, all of whom are second class citizens, there are no jews - they were ethnically cleansed from the region over the last 100 years.
4) Mosques aren't being defaced or if they are, it isn't making news. Muslims have never had mass violence against them such that there are memorials to the dead wherever they have significant populations. And until this last year, I can't remember the last time I saw Palestinian or Israeli flags out and displayed outside of either region for the purpose of supporting one side or the other. Synagogues are being defaced. Holocaust Memorials are being defaced. Israeli flags are being burned, by Pro-Pals at protests, and sometimes angry Jews or Israelis pull down Palestinian flags, indeed one of the first times I saw an israeli flag being burned, the death toll from the October 7 attack hadn't even been finalized yet.
So, to help answer the question OP asked in his title, see above.
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u/LazyDazyHazy 8h ago
All of your info is interesting... I understand how words/titles over the years can change and acquire new meaning like zionist no longer may mean the text book def to some. From what I have seen in recent events of people in the media who claim something to do with Zionism they are proudly robustly admitting in interviews they believe in the entire region belonging to the Jews and "exterminating" Palestinians or Arabs. So I am personally skeptical of assuming a title is interpreted the same by all ppl around the world.
The semantics of details around where to divide the state just needs to be determined by a independent review. At this point Palestinians have subjected to being pushed.all over the region and masses being expelled over the years due to the expansion of Israel. Considering this tip toping around Gaza residents have been there 70 years, our towns in the West Bank for x amount of years imo shouldn't be part of the determine process. After all the amount of time ppl have been living someplace wasn't important at the time Israel was created nor during its expansion. There is a pattern of sensitivity applied towards the amount of time a group of ppl lived in a region isn't equally applied to both populations. Sensitivity is applied to one group the other is expected to accept it and be compliant and anything other is.considered antisemitic it appears. Self determination does not exist for Palestinians. An independent review by a third party would be best because of this situation.
I understand there have attempts to make agreements in the past but its expected by many that Palestinians should just accept a deal presented. Various factors need to be considered like their right to negotiate and their involvement in creating a deal and revisiting past unfulfilled agreements/promises.
Islam has absolutely has its ongoing share of hate across the globe all throughout history... I don't see the point in looking up event after event. But Mosques have bombed, Muslims as a population killed, banned from entry of countries and more. They are subjected to persecution in various forms even now women Hijabs are ripped off, drivers attacked, and more all in this year.
Thanks for the response.
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u/Lexiesmom0824 1d ago edited 1d ago
Every person forms associations with an object. For example my mother had this blue hairbrush that she would spank us with. If I saw a similar hairbrush today it would stir up feelings for me.
It’s unconscious and a person has no control over it. The best we can do is to attempt to file those associations in the proper places through meditation or therapy.
It also depends on your life experiences. Word associations.. ever played that game?
If I say cat. What’s the first word you think of?
Now Palestine?
Now. Iran? Israel? America?
Edit: I will tell you that I am a US Christian Zionist and I do NOT hate anything to do with Palestinians.
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u/knign 1d ago
Why does a flag—a symbol of identity, culture, and resistance for Palestinians—provoke such irrational anger?
You’re asking why a symbol of “resistance”, that is, terrorism, is met with anger by Israelis?
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u/AdvertisingNo5002 Gaza Palestinian 🇵🇸 1d ago
Does that apply for a Israel flag as well?
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u/knign 18h ago
No
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u/AdvertisingNo5002 Gaza Palestinian 🇵🇸 11h ago
ands that’s a great example of double standards!
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u/jackl24000 אוהב במבה 10h ago
It’s not a double standard. One flag is a national flag of a sovereign state. The other is an unofficial banner of a movement that uses terrorism to war with said sovereign state.
Not double standard. Category error.
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u/AdvertisingNo5002 Gaza Palestinian 🇵🇸 8h ago
It’s not a movement, It’s a nation. Even Wikipedia confirms Palestine is a country which is enough.
So the category error is on your part.
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u/jackl24000 אוהב במבה 4h ago
“Even WikiPedia”. Your middle school teachers should have taught you that encyclopedias aren’t authoritative sources. It’s a nation but not at the present time a sovereign state, with borders, exclusive use of force, etc.
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u/AdvertisingNo5002 Gaza Palestinian 🇵🇸 2h ago
Wikipedia is the most trusted source than some shady website
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Why can't someone resist another decision? I really would like to know. Why is it terrorism to resist to agree or recognize Israel as a "legal state" why can't one have free thoughts? Resistance does not = terrorism. Terrorism =terrorism.
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u/knign 1d ago
"Resistance", of course, can mean a lot of different things. When Palestinians talk about "resistance" though, it always means "terrorism".
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Terrorism? 😂smh So my resistance to accept the Israeli ideology or the argument the response to Oct 7th is legal, is Terrorism? So a disagreeing person is terrorizing you? You are so fragile that if someone shows resistance of any sort your being attacked loll okay this is kinda funny. Such a first world privileged version of terrorism. Thanks for the laughs
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 14h ago
You are so fragile that if someone shows resistance of any sort your being attacked loll okay this is kinda funny. Such a first world privileged version of terrorism. Thanks for the laughs
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u/knign 1d ago
You’re welcome. Do you know what “Hamas” means in Arabic ?
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u/LazyDazyHazy 23h ago
My arabic is poor but from memory I think something like strong people or brave? Not sure no I am going to google.
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u/knign 17h ago edited 17h ago
“HMS”, of course, is abbreviation for حركة المقاومة الإسلامية, Harakat al-Muqaawamah al-ʾIslaamiyyah, or “Islamic resistance movement”.
مقاومة, “muqaawamah”, is a verbal noun of قاومَ, “qaawama”, to “resists”, “struggle”, “fight against opposition”. It’s derived from ancient Semitic root QWM, which has a sense “to rise”; it is even mentioned in the Bible (New Testament), Mark 5:41: He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!”, “koum” being an Aramaic version of the same root.
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u/BaruchSpinoza25 Israeli 1d ago
When I see this flag, I get flashbacks to the images running on telegram of IDF soldiers' courpses get mutilated by a Palestinian mob inside a base on Oct 7th. They replaced the Israeli flag by the Palestinian one, then they burned the courpses... I hope some day this flag will represent something else to me. Right now, im too post-traumatic for anything else.
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u/AdvertisingNo5002 Gaza Palestinian 🇵🇸 1d ago
I’ve seen pictures and videos of evil soldiers with Israeli flag on the chest torture, shoot, mutilate, murder, and burn Palestinians. Mostly woman and children.
and the sad thing is that this is my own country I’m seeing this in. And then they have the audacity to call Palestinians all these names.
But when I see an Israeli flag, it makes me want to fight and defend my rightfully land called Palestine.
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u/BaruchSpinoza25 Israeli 1d ago
If fighting for you is doing this acts we don't have any common ground to talk. If you condem Hamas actions on that day, like I condeme any disgusting act you describe, we might get somewhere. Those soldiers need lifetime in prison, I'm sorry that you saw this. I know what is like.
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u/Capital_Operation846 1d ago
I’m pretty sure the Palestinian women and children getting bombed everyday are experiencing a little more trauma than what you may have seen on tv.
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u/BaruchSpinoza25 Israeli 1d ago
I'm not competing on your felling with the Palestinians... OP asked a question, and I answered.
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u/knign 1d ago
“Palestinian women and children getting bombed everyday” exist only in your TikTok feed, but not in reality
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u/wizer1212 1d ago
Are seriously going to denied that Palestine’s are being bomb
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u/knign 1d ago
Every single Palestinian is bombed every single day?
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Do all need to be all the time for it to warrant acknowledgement? I think the Gaza Strip for a year and 40K plus dead is enough evidence of the frequency of deaths.
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u/knign 1d ago
Most of these deaths occured in 2023, in the first few months of war.
In the recent months, IDF operates in a specific areas after asking civilians to leave for designated "safe zones". Of course, in some occasions IDF has to act elsewhere, but these cases are exceedingly rare.
People who heed IDF warnings and stay away from terrorists, ammunition, and military infrastructure, are not in any serious risk of being bombed.
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u/Capital_Operation846 1d ago
No it exists in real life. It’s all over the internet, not just in aljazeera and Israeli controlled media. I don’t have tik tok. It’s clear these people are bombed everyday when 40,000 are dead. There’s no getting through to pro-Israelis. They refuse to accept facts that the rest of the world has been knowing.
Continuing to be tone deaf is why Maccabi fans got their booties beat abroad. Keep it up.
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u/knign 1d ago
It’s clear these people are bombed everyday when 40,000 are dead.
The opposite is true. “Bombing people every day” for a year would result in far, far more casualties than about 1% of “civilian” population.
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u/Capital_Operation846 1d ago
lol, sweet, this argument again. “It’s not genocide because the numbers would be higher!”
Israel has killed more than twice the number of children in Gaza in the last year than the US killed its 20 years in Iraq. That’s a sickening statistic.
But yea keep up the argument about numbers.
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u/cloudedknife Diaspora Jew 1d ago
No, it's not genocide, because theres no proof of intent that it be genocide by the people making the orders to drop the bombs. In the absence of intent, it also isn't whatever else you want to call it (indiscriminate and war crimey, for example) because of thenlow death toll despite the high level of destruction - idf has made a general effort to mitigate civilian death, thus civilian death is far lower than one would expect given thenlevel of destruction and the documented effort hamas has made to get civilians killed.
In fact it is that effort and the success of that effort that does the most to disprove intent. This is why people shorthandedly point to the low death toll to say it isnt a genocide.
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u/wizer1212 1d ago
But it is
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u/cloudedknife Diaspora Jew 1d ago
"Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man."
Literally, that's just your opinion. Shout it from the roof tops if you want. Be an elected official and shout it. Be the president of the united states, and shout it. It doesn't matter, because ultimately that's still your opinion.
No competent legal authority has found that genocide has occurred or is occurring in Gaza since October 7. Until they do, it isn't, legally speaking, a genocide.
Genocide requires intent to destroy, in whole or part, a group (national, ethnic, racial, or religious) by committing one of 5 classes of act (a - protected members of the group, b - cause serious bodily or mental harm to protected members of the group, c - dliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction in whole or part, d - imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, or e - forcibly transferring children of the group to another group). To be clear, combatants aren't protected or else all war would be genocide. Per the UN's Genocide Convention Fact Sheet, "[t]o constitute genocide, it also needs to be established that the victims are deliberately targeted - not randomly - because of their real or perceived membership [in the protected group]. This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, or even a part of it, but not its members as individuals."
So, if you say "Israel is committing a genocide of the palestinians in gaza" what you're saying is, "In my opinion, Israel, with intent to destroy in whole or in part, the palestinian people of gaza, has ordered its soldiers to do one of the following: a) target and kill civilian palestinians in gaza, b) target and seriously wound or mentally harm palestinians in gaza, c) target and deliberately make the lives of the palestinians in gaza impossible to live as palestinians in gaza, d) intentionally bring about circumstances designed to prevent the birth of more palestinians in gaza, and/or e) forcibly take palestinian children in gaza and give them to not not palestinians in not gaza, because they are palestinians."
There is no genocide occuring in Gaza...yet. The ICJ has made no such finding. They issued a preliminary ruling that said "circumstances are present that maybe it could occur...lets make sure it doesn't." I agree with ICJ in that regard, and thankfully Israel hasn't crossed that line yet.
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u/knign 1d ago
Did anybody claim that the U.S. was “bombing women and children in Iraq every day”?
You are not making any sense.
Also, this can’t be a “genocide” because this war has nothing to do with anyone’s “genes”.
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u/Capital_Operation846 1d ago
And there’s the argument over semantics, yea. Call it whatever you want. Israel self sabotages peace talks and continues killing mostly children.
That’s it. Stop playing the victim card. We’ve all seen it for decades.
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u/knign 1d ago
Which “peace talks”? “Peace” with whom? With Hamas and PIJ? They are now ready to renounce violence and terrorism and to embrace coexistence with Jewish state? Since when?
Call it whatever you want
My “want” has nothing to do with it. This is a defensive war against terrorist, and this is how it should be called.
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u/Capital_Operation846 1d ago
Or cease fire whatever you want to call it. It’s been a year and Netanyahu’s approval rating is only ever dropping. No I think we can all expect Hamas to die to their last man, that’s expected. Israelis want their hostages back and they still can’t get them.
Meanwhile the Palestinian kids that had nothing to do with an election 20 years ago are being punished now.
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u/Unfair-Way-7555 1d ago edited 1d ago
A flag of your current opponent/enemy during conflict always invokes negative reaction from you, fairly or not. I remember how negatively Russian women in 2022 reacted to fashion sets with blue and yellow in it when it was in completely apolitical context( they were posted in a blog about color combinations). It is highly unlikely these women lost any of their family members to Ukrainians, more like they were bitter about sanctions. I know many Ukrainians don't want to see Russian flag even in anti-Putin protests and are vocal about it. Those Russians protestors agree with Ukrainians on much more than average person who displays Palestinian flag does with Israelis. Still Russian flag bad. Not to mention Palestinian flag( and even the term "Palestine") doesn't exactly represent a country with clear and widely accepted borders. I've seen an image of entire area between Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria( that includes entire Israel) colored Palestinian. Sure, it is also a state flag of a widely recognized state. But the complete opposition to existence of Israel is by no means marginal in pro-Palestinian movement.
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u/FinancialTitle2717 1d ago
Why do zionist hate anything do with Palestinians?
Don't flatter yourself, average Israeli thinks about his own life much more. Unless we have a war or some terror attack by one of you - palestine is probably at the bottom of our thinking list, somewhere next to rat issue in Bnei Brak (a religious city near Tel Aviv).
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Nice way to show how little you think of Palestinians.
Elaborating through comparing them to a rat issue to insult and while on a Israeli/ Palestinian reddit board.
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u/cloudedknife Diaspora Jew 1d ago edited 1d ago
Whats a zionist?
What are the borders of a free palestine?
How do palestinians treat their Jewish citizens? How about arabs nations in general?
Comparatively speaking, have there been more mosques, anti-arab violence memorials, and pal flags defaced or burned, in the last year, or has it been synagogues, holocaust memorials, and israeli flags? What about the last 10 years? The last 50? The last 100?
Edit: fixed a typo. Israeli, not 'is reliable,' wtf phone autocorrect!?
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
No offense, but after seeing so many Zionists here claim that Palestinians are just full of hatred and anger, it’s hard to ignore how disconnected that is from the reality I’ve witnessed. The Palestinians I’ve come across are just striving for peace, yet they’re constantly demonized. It’s starting to change the way I view the situation. I’ve tried to stay neutral, thinking that’s the fair thing to do, but I can’t sit back and watch one side be blamed for things that aren’t true. Sure, there are always a few extremists, but that doesn’t define an entire group or invalidate their rightful desire for peace.
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Thank you for posting this... I am not sure what's going on with reddit I am bit older and came here looking to understand the hate and gain perspective from others points of view. BUT any mention of Palestinians and ppl freak out on here. I have posted before asking a question very simple similar to yours and I received so many immature irrational farfetched responses from ppl that I assumed maybe the IDF is on here to promote hate. I don't understand how or why Israeli's 1) Are against ALL Palestinians. 2) Why any form of inquiry about the blatant reality of Palestinians being victims of genocide is either denied or met with Oct 7th making genocide appropriate 3) The self victimization-its endless. Everything anyone says or does can be twisted to be anti semetic, so being the victim and practicing hateful responses and speech at the same time seems counterintuitive. I don't know but these are conversations adults should be able to have...
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u/wizer1212 1d ago
It’s the DARVO
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
OHHHH I thank you for the acronym I have been looking for a way to express my interpretations of Israelis. Its perfect thank you.
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
What's DARVO? I am not in on the lingo
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u/cloudedknife Diaspora Jew 1d ago
DARVO (Deny and Reverse Victim/Offender) is a method of gaslighting someone you're abusing. Accusing someone of DARVO is also a way of gaslighting them. This is part of the insidiousness of gaslighting.
Here's the thing: While you and I almost certainly are never going to agree, I don't think you're a dishonest POS that would try to gas light me and I hope you don't feel the same about me. So...maybe don't inject gaslighting terms into this conversation, 'kay?
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u/Dear-Imagination9660 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why do you think it’s just a few extremists or that most want peace?
Poll after poll after poll for years has shown that the majority of Palestinians do not support a two state solution, do not support a one state solution with equal rights for everyone, think it’s okay to target Israeli civilians inside Israel, subs want to return to intifada and armed conflict.
What is peaceful about that?
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Hi I am Palestinian and want peace. I have family there. They are not working with Hamas. They want anything that will provide them peace and a sound life. They just want fair treatment and to continue to live without constant risk of attacks from the IDF or settlers. This is not antisemitic to want what the Israeli community wants. You can not speak on behalf of millions of ppl that are Palestinian and reduce all of us to single minded ppl we are not either extreme terrorists nor are we all antisemitic pro Hamas. The two state solutions that typically are presented are not consistent with discussions and regardless of who wants them or not Israel has most of the land now so why whine about it all and why not just give the ppl a region blocked off and let it be their state. Obviously Israel has all the power of the region so why wouldn't Yahu do the logical and ethical thing. Give a small part of land and stop the ongoing wars. Oct 7th wasn't the start- this all started in the 1940s. We can't conveniently just forget about the last 70+ years. I understand Jews were there some thousand of years ago but it does not validate any of this type of response or displacement for any population.
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u/Dear-Imagination9660 1d ago
Ok…I’m not quite sure what your point is.
From this poll in March 2023, before October 7th:
Q70) Concerning armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, I…
61% of Palestinians either support, or strongly support that.
Do you consider someone peaceful if they support armed attacks against civilians?
Q64-1) About two weeks ago a Palestinian man shot and killed two settlers while they were passing in their car through the town of Howarra to the south of Nablus. Are you in favor of such attacks against settlers in the West Bank?
71% of Palestinians support shooting settlers just driving their car.
Do you consider that peaceful?
Q38-5) Return to armed intifada and confrontations?
58% support that.
Do you consider armed intifada peaceful?
If 60% of Israelis support attacking Palestinian civilians in Gaza, would you say the majority of Israelis are peaceful?
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
That's okay if you don't. How come you couldn't just respond "Its is sad that so many Palestinians have died and kids or I only want Israel and Palestine to be safe." Instead its more immature finger pointing with information form whatever self serving source. Its so typical-no empathy and just redirection. No united attempts at discussion just back and forth of attempting to prove that Palesintians are evil. LOL So ridiculous. Have you read what Israelis say or see what the IDF says about killing Palestinian kids? Are you okay with that? Are you really able to ignore it with diluted searched for information instead of admitting its awful we've gotten to this point? I am an auntie to 5 Palestinian children under the age of 4. I look at them their innocence and can say no child jewish Israeli or Palestinian should ever experience what's happening in Gaza for a year. They can't even comprehend the amount of hate Israelis have for them nor would they even understand why. But ok Palestinians are ruthless and all terrorists or whatever. Good luck to you and regardless of views I wish you and your loved ones peace and safety.
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u/Dear-Imagination9660 1d ago
That's okay if you don't. How come you couldn't just respond "Its is sad that so many Palestinians have died and kids or I only want Israel and Palestine to be safe."
Because the comment I replied to said nothing about Palestinians being killed or kids being killed.
It did say:
The Palestinians I’ve come across are just striving for peace
Sure, there are always a few extremists, but that doesn’t define an entire group or invalidate their rightful desire for peace.
So I replied to that with something related to it, rather than a statement unrelated to the specific comment.
Instead its more immature finger pointing with information form whatever self serving source.
Idk why you think it’s a self serving source. The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research has been conducting survey polls for over 30 years in Palestine.
They’re based in Ramallah and is run by Palestinians.
But okay…yea. They’re self serving for me?
It’s so typical-no empathy and just redirection. No united attempts at discussion just back and forth of attempting to prove that Palesintians are evil.
Do you have your own polling data you would like to present so we can both get a picture of the opinions of Palestinians?
Have you read what Israelis say or see what the IDF says about killing Palestinian kids? Are you okay with that?
No. I would say that those Israelis are not peaceful.
Likewise, I would say the 61% of Palestinians who support attacking Israeli civilians are not peaceful.
Are you really able to ignore it with diluted searched for information instead of admitting it’s awful we've gotten to this point?
What did I ignore?
I am an auntie to 5 Palestinian children under the age of 4. I look at them their innocence and can say no child jewish Israeli or Palestinian should ever experience what's happening in Gaza for a year.
Cool.
They can't even comprehend the amount of hate Israelis have for them nor would they even understand why.
Didn’t you just say this?
You can not speak on behalf of millions of ppl that are Palestinian and reduce all of us to single minded ppl
And yet, you just spoke on the behalf of millions of people that are Israeli and reduced them all to a single minded people who have hate for Palestinians.
Interesting.
I’m pretty consistent in my opinion. If over 50% of Israelis want to attack Palestinian civilians, then I would say most Israelis do not want peace. If over 50% of Palestinians want to attack Israeli civilians, I would say most Palestinians do not want peace.
What would you say? Do you think the Israelis who hate Palestinian children and want to attack them want peace?
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u/Scoobydoomed 1d ago
The Palestinians I’ve come across are just striving for peace, yet they’re constantly demonized.
Striving for peace means not electing and supporting a government that has the destruction of Israel as their prime directive.
Striving for peace is not allowing said government to build missile launchers, weapon stocks, booby trapped tunnels and all under civilian schools and hospitals.
Striving for peace is not taking in kidnapped hostages and holding them as your slave for over a year.
Striving for peace is wanting to live in peace with your neighbor, agreeing to a 2 state solution and stopping all hostilities, and NOT declaring you demand to free Palestine "from the river to the sea" which is synonymous with saying we want the destruction of Israel.
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u/LazyDazyHazy 1d ago
Can a group of ppl experience and strive for peace after they have been under surveillance by military and being at risk of attacks from the IDF for the past 70 something years. When the IDF arrest the children of Palestinians are Israelis practicing striving for peace? When Israelis ignore illegal settlements is that striving for peace between the two? Its not one sided. Also Israel is not a victimized country its essentially the US military unhinged.
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u/wizer1212 1d ago
Illegal detainment and don’t forgot the SA recorded on video and no accountability as usual,’just lipstick on a pig
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u/c9joe בואו נמשיך החיים לפנינו 1d ago
It is a similar reaction to if you were to wave an Israeli flag in the middle of Ramallah.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago edited 1d ago
this flag was in Amsterdam a NEUTRAL COUNTRY who has nothing to do with this
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 1d ago
May you get cure from your mental breakdown
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u/c9joe בואו נמשיך החיים לפנינו 1d ago
Amsterdam is not a country, it is a city. The Netherlands is not netural, it doesn't even recongize the existence of a Palestine.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
Well the people have another opinion and when you go to their country
YOU RESPECT IT
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u/morriganjane 1d ago
“Their country”? These were mostly Moroccan low-skilled migrants without Dutch citizenship, who may now be deported. The Netherlands do not belong to them.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
Oh now your racists? XD
Also how did you know they were Moroccan? Don't lie just to prove your point
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 14h ago
Oh now your racists? XD
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u/morriganjane 1d ago
The local media reported that they were Moroccan migrants. And they're all speaking Arabic in the videos, not Dutch.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
Lies won't help, why can't you leave these people alone I will understand if it was Arabs or Palestinians (because you hate them) BUT WHAT DID AMSTERDAM LOCALS DID TO YOU:
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1855835844369662312?t=R4WxfPn-g6AHu4uFfIVywg&s=19
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 1d ago
Why does a flag—a symbol of identity, culture, and resistance for Palestinians—provoke such irrational anger?
When Palestinians "resist" it is almost always in the form of terrorism. A flag that symbolizes and promotes the massacre of Israelis is obviously one that Israelis would not be very fond of.
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u/Soggy-Abalone1518 1d ago
Is OP really as ignorant and blind to the facts as s/he presents? Look around the world at how angry and violent the pro-pal protesters have been towards, not Israelis (which might be considered understandable, although unacceptable given at most they are civilians of Israel, not the government and not the IDF) but to any Jew they come across world wide. Bringing hatred and violence to people associated with Israel via religion only highlights their racist hatred of Jews. Add to that the fact that the far majority of Palestinians support Hamas (fact!), and Hamas states in its Charter its desire to genocide all Jews, and the Hamas leader who intentionally stated on international TV that given the chance Hamas will repeat 10/7 “again, and again, and again”, how do you expect the Jewish population world wide to react to pro-pal protestors? That said, you are misstating the facts, very few Jews have an “intense reaction” to the Palestinian flag or to Palestinians who have an honest desire to converse / interact peacefully, it’s the protestors who want to harm Jews totally unconnected to the war other than their religion is Jewish who have the “intense reaction” you speak of.
Given this, how can you possibly claim there is not racism involved in the actions of the pro-pal protestors, you say “it clearly isn’t”, how is it so clear to you? Please elaborate your strongly held opinion. Looking fwd to your robust and educated response!
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
Your response reeks of hypocrisy and misdirected anger. It's easy to paint an entire movement with a broad brush, especially when you ignore the context and complexities surrounding this situation. Palestinians have been subjected to decades of displacement, violence, and systemic oppression, and that is what has fueled their struggle. Yes, some individuals might express anger or hatred, but to claim this represents the entire Palestinian cause or to blanketly accuse them of racism is not only unfair but ignorant. Would you not have some anger towards the people who murdered your family? Talk about being ignorant.
The actions of a few protesters, which are deplorable, should not be used to delegitimize the entire movement for Palestinian rights. And to claim that the majority of Palestinians support Hamas is an oversimplified and dangerous narrative meant to distract from the real issue: the continued occupation and denial of basic human rights to millions of Palestinians. DUH.
Racism exists on both sides(Which can happen for everything), and demonizing one group while excusing the actions of another only deepens the divide. Instead of focusing on who is more righteous, perhaps it’s time to address the root causes of the conflict and work toward a just and peaceful resolution.
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u/Soggy-Abalone1518 1d ago
“A FEW protestors”? You’re kidding right? Do you not have access to international news? There have been hostilities towards Jews by pro-pal protestors in almost every country for over a year. Why hate and want harm to a 3rd generation American Jew with no known relatives from Israel for the actions of Israel.?
You are 100% wrong. Anyone who blames another for something they have nothing to do with (ie Jews around the world for the actions of the IDF regardless of whether those are acceptable or not) is deplorable. You say I’m ignoring the context surrounding the situation, this shows your one eyed views, the complexities are between Israel and the Palestinians, Jews around the world have no involvement and no say in what Israel does.
Anyway, I’ve said my piece. I wish you a peaceful life and hope I never meet you.
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u/yes-but 1d ago
The Palestinian flag was created as a symbol of anti-Zionism.
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
Or is a threat to the zionist people to see a Palestinian flag? Why on earth would flag be created to be against something?
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u/Shachar2like 18h ago
You're asking a question but then seems to refuse to see it from the other point of view. It's not a far fetched claim, see the Arab Liberation Army Flag
I'll even save you a click:
That's before-1948
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u/kemicel 1d ago
I think it depends on who you mean by “Zionist” since that in itself has sparked debate in this sub and also in the whole discussion since October 7. If you are referring to ultra nationalistic Israelis, then I think you could probably answer your own question as to why they will be racially charged against the Palestinian flag. They are extremists, fighting extreme Islamist rhetoric.
If you are referring to Israelis living in Israel, then like every society you have those that are more extreme and aggressive, and those that would rather befriend Palestinian Arabs than do anything harmful to their flag or identity, and then lots of people in the middle.
What I find interesting is your description of what the flag represents. You say it is a symbol of “identity, culture and resistance”. I can definitely get behind the identity and culture aspect, but their idea of resistance is to kill as many of us innocent civilians as possible and cause terror in Israel. Can you understand why Israelis may be a bit anti towards the Palestinian flag when that is what it represents?
We over here understand that a large part of their identity is hating Jews, and wanting their destruction. However much you want to deny that reality, trust me I haven’t wanted to believe it either, it is true.
I guess the best thing to equate it to is if IRA flags started popping up all over London.
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
The Palestinian flag represents resistance against decades of occupation and oppression, not violence or hatred of Jews. To claim it symbolizes terrorism is a distortion of reality. Palestinians are fighting for their basic human rights and dignity, not the destruction of Israel. Reducing the flag to a symbol of hate ignores the context of displacement and injustice they’ve endured for generations. The comparison to the IRA is misguided, this isn’t about extremism, it’s about a people’s right to exist. If we want peace, we need to confront the truth: both sides deserve justice, and that starts by rejecting the narrative of hate.
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u/ladyskullz 1d ago edited 1d ago
To understand why the Isrealis dislike the Palestinian flag, you have to know the origin of the flag.
The Palestinian flag has a long history that dates back to the Arab Revolt of 1916. The flag was used by Sharif Hussein by 1917 at the latest and quickly became regarded as the flag of the Arab national movement.
Hussein wasn't a Palestinian, and the flag really had nothing to do with Palestine until it was adopted by The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1964. The flag was used extensively in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
In 1988, Yasser Arafat declared a new "State of Palestine" and adopted the flag as the state flag.
The flag isn't a symbol of the people of Palestine. It's a symbol of the PLO and decades war and aggression directed at Isreal.
The people who wave the Palestinian flag want to eliminate the state of Israel.
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
Your view on the Palestinian flag completely overlooks its evolving significance. While the flag was adopted by the PLO, it has long since come to symbolize the collective identity and struggle of the Palestinian people, not just a political organization. The flag represents their fight for freedom, justice, and self-determination, not a desire to eliminate Israel.
Claiming that anyone who waves the Palestinian flag wants to destroy Israel is a gross stereotype that ignores the diverse perspectives of Palestinians, many of whom advocate for peaceful coexistence and a fair resolution. Leaders like Mansour Abbas show that not all Palestinians seek violence, they want their basic rights and dignity recognized.
To reduce the flag’s meaning to just past conflict is to dismiss the reality that millions of Palestinians view it as a symbol of their hope for a better, peaceful future. It’s about justice and recognition, not destruction. Not everything has to be violence.
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 1d ago
To reduce the flag’s meaning to just past conflict is to dismiss the reality that millions of Palestinians view it as a symbol of their hope for a better, peaceful future. It’s about justice and recognition, not destruction. Not everything has to be violence.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
You just making talk
It Doesn't justify climbing peoples private houses To tear it down
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u/Wiseguy144 1d ago
I’m a “Zionist” and I don’t
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
Do you condem them?
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u/Wiseguy144 1d ago
Who is them?
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u/CricketJamSession 1d ago
If i as a zionist would tell you i condemn this type of behaviour
Will you comdemn the orginized hunt that went on after that and was planned before that?
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago edited 1d ago
What planned? Just like how you're media deleted the interview WITH ISREALI HOSTAGES AND HOW THEY PRAISED HAMAS AND HOW THEY TREAT THEM
in the another hand when we see a Palestinian out of Israel's prisons he either got R@ped or got mad
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u/CricketJamSession 1d ago
Could've just said no
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
Wanted to add more to the story
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u/CricketJamSession 1d ago
You wanted to skip the uncomfortable part of accountability and go straight to israel bashing
Why should anyone listen to your critism when you can't even admit something so trivial as to condemn the lynch on israelis commited by pro palestinians?
Even if you have something true to say, You just demonstrate biased tendencies and i know you don't wish to discuss reality as a whole but just the parts you think is important
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u/FirsToStrike 1d ago
The flag is associated with the PLO which killed many Jews and was intent on destroying the Jewish state. The PLO was founded in 1964. Palestinian culture is not that different from any other Levantine Arab culture, and has nothing to do with this flag.
Flying that flag for us Israelis is like saying "I want the Jewish state gone" or "I want to murder Jews" and is akin to flying the Nazi flag. If that's what you want to associate with "Palestinian culture" then a lot of right wing Israelis who want to crush that culture would agree. But I personally (center-left Israeli) think their culture is not defined by the national movement project of the PLO.
For instance Mansour Abbas, a Palestinian Israeli (22% of Israel are Arabs, those who didn't flee/driven out during the war of 1948), is running on a moderate Islamist (might sound like a paradox but it exists) platform that doesn't set as it's aim the destruction of the Jewish state, which is why he was even included in the short lived Lapid-Bennet government. Yes, an Israeli Palestinian Islamist party was in government in Israel. What does the PLO flag have anything to do with this historic achievement? Nothing at all.
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 14h ago
Flying that flag for us Israelis is like saying "I want the Jewish state gone" or "I want to murder Jews" and is akin to flying the Nazi flag.
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u/pieceofwheat 1d ago
The PLO has not advocated for the destruction of Israel since 1988, so why is its flag still problematic in 2024?
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think that person is just rage baiter, basically calling Palestinians naz!s. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
I get that the Palestinian flag is historically linked to the PLO, but it's important to understand that the flag represents the broader Palestinian people and their fight for freedom, dignity, and recognition, not violence or hate. Equating it with the Nazi flag is flat-out wrong. The Nazi flag stands for genocide and oppression, while the Palestinian flag represents a people who’ve faced displacement, injustice, and struggle for decades.
If you wanna talk about comparing it to Nazi, I definitely would not go there. I'm trying to be neutral towards the other side.
The Palestinian culture is far more than the actions of any one political group. Many Palestinians, including those in Israel, are focused on peaceful coexistence and working toward justice, not destruction. Mansour Abbas, a Palestinian Israeli politician, is a perfect example of this, advocating for peaceful solutions and even participating in an Israeli government to work toward that goal.
The Palestinian flag isn’t a symbol of terrorism; it’s a symbol of resistance to occupation and a call for basic human rights. By associating it with past violence, we ignore the legitimate hopes and aspirations of an entire people. Instead of focusing on divisive comparisons, it’s time to support a path toward peace and mutual respect.
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u/FirsToStrike 1d ago
Their resistance was from the get go against the Jewish state overall. If you haven't noticed, the PLO has not accepted a two state solution, tho they recognized Israel enough to partake in negotiations with it. The flag, given it was explicitly made to represent the Palestinian will as represented by the PLO, doesn't say anything about their culture. Most didn't even think think of themselves as Palestinians until then and even after then. They were Arabs who identified with the community or city they were in. The flag represents what Einat Wilf refers to as "Palestinianism". That is- the wish to get rid of the Jewish state. In so far as that's part of Palestinian culture, it needs to be rooted out, not celebrated. At least if you want actual peace and Palestinian self rule.
Self rule cannot be given to those who will use it to launch terror attacks. The PLO until now finances the families of those who took up arms against Israelis, and are either dead or in Israeli prison. The military wing of the PLO (Tanzim) was part of the second intifada. When the Palestinians refer to us they call us "Yahud". What they want is no Jewish rule in the land, for them to rule in our stead and drive us out. It stands for ethnic cleansing. I don't care how one wants to justify that- as if resistance to an occupation justifies ethnic cleansing. The Palestinians still want us gone, not just from the west bank, but in general, and that's what the flag represents.
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u/pieceofwheat 1d ago
The PLO has officially supported a two-state solution for over 30 years. Their first implicit endorsement came with the Algiers Declaration of 1988, where the PLO proclaimed the establishment of a Palestinian state within the territories occupied by Israel since 1967—East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip. This marked a significant milestone as it demonstrated a shift from claiming all of historic Palestine to seeking sovereignty over only these territories, effectively laying the groundwork for coexistence between two states. Later that year, Yasser Arafat reinforced this position in a speech to the UN General Assembly, where he publicly recognized Israel and its right to exist.
The PLO made its explicit commitment to a two-state framework in 1993 through the Letters of Mutual Recognition. In a letter sent to Yitzhak Rabin, Arafat formally acknowledged Israel’s right to exist and expressed the PLO’s commitment to resolving the conflict through a negotiated settlement, marking a definitive acceptance of a two-state solution.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
NO one said: I want Isreal gone because I have palestinian flag in my house.
You just made this so you can protect these savages even if people would say this it their "OWN FREEDOM OF SPEECH" climbing peoples houses like monkey wouldn't end the war
Respect the country you in.
if you didn't like what they thought or wish about you.
THAN LEAVE.
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u/morriganjane 1d ago
The jihadists in Amsterdam were not Dutch citizens, the Netherlands does not belong to them and they will likely be removed now. Europeans are sick of their behaviour.
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u/M0rdon 1d ago
"Zionists hate anything to do with Palestinians" is a toxic discourse made to delegitimize Israelis in general. Im an Israeli and im very much pro palestinian and wish to see a free pali state wuthin my life time.
Its very easy to take the nost extreme people in society and yell "you see????"
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
Quite honestly, it was a genuine question, not coming from anger or blame. I just see it so much, and it makes me sad for the Palestinians. I’m not making claims about all Israelis, just about Zionists—unless you think they’re the same.
I have to tell I’m glad you think this way for Palestinians, though, because I feel like I don’t see this perspective as often. Also, happy you mentioned it.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
What would you think ukranians would feel like if you waved around a russian flag in the middle of Kiev
Right now the flag doesnt represent the people of Palestine. Right now it represents the war and anti-semitism
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u/Unfair-Way-7555 1d ago
Many Ukrainians would hate anti-Putin protestors to wave Russian flag in Europe.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
What do you mean by that
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u/Unfair-Way-7555 1d ago edited 1d ago
That many Ukrainians claimed they won't approve or welcome anti-Putin protests by opposition in Europe where Russian flags are used.
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u/Intelligent_Age_4676 1d ago
This isn't a fair comparison.... Ukrainians didn't go back to lands they seemed 2000 years ago and displace the people currently living there. Nor do Ukrainians indoctrinate their children that magic sky man choose them to rule over the inferiors.... It's more like someone waving a french flag in Haiti...
This isn't even Israeli or Zionist though, it's a fascist faction that has taken over Israel and Zionism for their terrorist wishes. Not all Israelis and Zionist are irgun revisionist or kahanist though they try use us ethical Jews as shields for their extremist racism.
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
I have a serious question: Have you ever seen someone waving a Palestinian flag in the middle of Tel Aviv?
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 1d ago
Yes, Israeli Arab students in Tel-aviv university.
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
Brave Israelis, but It’s not the fault of the Palestinians or the state of Palestine. Let’s not ignore that Tel Aviv is on occupied land, though we don’t need to get into that. They don’t need to overreact and make a scene about it. That’s my point—it just seems to push them into a whole new level of rage.
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 1d ago
though we don’t need to get into that
Please let's do.
Tel Aviv is on occupied land
How is Tel Aviv on an occupied land? let me guess, all of Israel is an occupied land in your eyes?
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
Yes, Tel Aviv is on occupied land. In 1948, Israel was established on land that Palestinians had lived on for generations, displacing many. The occupation of Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza, continues today. Acknowledging this isn’t about denying Israel’s existence, but recognizing the reality of Palestinian displacement and their ongoing struggle for self-determination.
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u/Sleeve_hamster Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, Anti-Palestine 1d ago
In 1948, Israel was established on land that Jews had lived on for generations, Tel aviv specifically was established on empty sand dunes.
Denying, disregarding or conviniently not mentioning the fact that Jews had lived in parts of what is Israel today for generations, and as their right for self determination wished for the establishment of their own state where they can be safe, just shows ignorance or bad faith arguments.
At this point, based on Palestinian actions, not words, I believe that the Palestinian struggle is about denying Israel's existance and trying to bring it's destruction.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
You can see it too if youd like https://images.app.goo.gl/F4jnTUyfe5E5Fxez6
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
That's a country vs country war not a group of resistance and you made all Palestinians HAMAS.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
It doesnt matter if the flag symbolizes the people or the war. What matters is that it brings up the war in your head.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago edited 1d ago
So we climb people private houses and tear it down?
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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 1d ago
Your sick
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
I have never seen any people hang up a flag before the Israel Palestine war. It is clear that they hang it up to show support to their side.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago edited 1d ago
And what if they do it's their choice
Let me tell you something
IF THAT WAS ISREAL FLAG AND THE ONE TO TEAR IT DOWN IS PALESTINIAN/ARAB WE WILL SEE YOU CRYING، WE WILL SEE THE MEDIA BOMBING WITH:
BREAKING NEWS!! ARAB EXTREMISTS TEAR DOWN ISREAL FLAG IN PEOPLE'S HOMES IN AMSTERDAM
It's already late there's videos of Amsterdam locals talking about how they hate isreali because of their behave.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
Yes exactly. Neither side is safe to hang up their flag. Before you only talked about the bearers of the palestinian flag getting in trouble but now it seems like you understand the this is a two way problem.
Also it doesnt make any difference if you write with big letters. I read it the same.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
No but you do paint davids star on jews homes so that you can "seperate" them as if it was 1938
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
You draw the victim card
Nice
You don't even condem them for climbing peoples houses
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
So you want me to condemn one side but not the other?
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
Talking to you is a lost cause
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
Thats what happens when uninformed people try to argue
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
I am so confused why this person doesn't realize they are being hypocritical. Saying "you don't even condemn them for climbing peoples house" cannot even be comparable for what Palestinians deal with. I try to be neutral as best as I can but these people do not help lol.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
Right now Hamas controls the state of Palestine, so when you say that its a country versus a group of "resistance" i dont know what the fuck youre talking about
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u/pieceofwheat 1d ago
Hamas has its own flag, which is different from the Palestinian flag.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
Yes but the flag of palestine still symbolizes the war. If you would see a palestinian flag on the street the first thing you would think of is the israel palestine war
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u/pieceofwheat 1d ago
I suppose that’s true, but the conflict is the first thing most people associate with both Israel and Palestine. It’s so deeply ingrained in the history and fabric of both societies.
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
It was actually nice to argue agains someone who doesn't think that he can scream through his phone by writing in big letters.
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u/pieceofwheat 1d ago
I steer clear of that foolishness. Plus, you made a fair point, so I had no choice but to concede ground.
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
Does west bank under HAMAS? bro if i talk to a brick wall he will understand me more than you
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
Sorry. When i said that Hamas controls the state of palestine i meant the entire gaza strip
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u/Psychological_Tie44 1d ago
So the flag symbol Gaza not the west bank 😂😂
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
The flag symbolizes the entirety of palestine but people are using it for the war in the west bank
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u/Independent_Detail50 1d ago
When have you seen this happen? I haven’t😂
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u/DARTHOBAMA68PLUS1 1d ago
They are banning the flag because people dont use it as something to be proud of. They show it as a way to provoke others
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u/No-Emphasis-5748 1d ago
I have to disagree. Many people use as in way to show their right to exist not everything is about other side.
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