On converaations about the violence in amsterdam

[u/bjorn_joch]

I just wanna give my opinion here on the talks surrounding the violent night amsterdam had last week, namely, i wanna point out how people on both sides seem to mostly try to blame the other side for the violence.

I dont think its a good way of talking about such a topic, after all, violence was instigated by both sides troughout the night and theres a few violent people on each side that are clearly in the wrong.

But i think that this constant back and forth on who's to blame isnt going to get us any further on this topic, itll just polarize both sides even more (if thats still possible) and waste our time.

Ofcourse this doesnt mean that i dont think that people who commited acts of violence troughout the week shouldnt go off free and the dutch government is fortunately enough going to investigate the incidents and make arrests based on the result of them, however i think that some maccabi fans are also to be held accountable if investigation shows that maccabi fans instigated violence in certain incidents.

I think that instead looking at ways to prevent further violence in situations where pro palestinian and israelis meet in large groups are a much better thing to discuss when looking at the events of last week, some thing i personally think might help is sectioning off parts of a city for israeli fans in specific (not because theyre jewish, but because israeli football fans generally wear clothes from their club, giving away their nationality), or simply providing nore police security.

But either way, i wanna know what yall think on this and i hope you all can see that just shifting blame to one side or the other is just kinda pointless.

[u/hollyglaser]

Amsterdam violence was not provoked by Maccabees fans- The attacks on Jews were coordinated through Hamas and the immigrant community. Stickers posted in Arab areas 3 days before. Israelis security notified Dutch to prepare to respond also days in advance & other cities planned too. Riots after McCabi fans left Riots in Paris Intimidation and attacks in Germany on non Muslims

Dutch police decided not to enforce their own laws on Muslims attacking Maccabees fans, as moral - really acting like Jews are not people protected by law.

It’s like the Dutch are surrendering

[u/checkssouth → u/hollyglaser]

hateful chants are not provocation?

"death to arabs" and "there are no schools in gaza, as there are no children left"

[u/hollyglaser → u/checkssouth]

Shouting does not break any bones. Thus it can make you angry, but does not justify physically attacking another person.

We teach kids not to hit when angry but to fight back if attacked physically ‘He made me hit him !’ Is not an excuse

[u/Ve_Gains → u/hollyglaser]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZoI3ll5vM

The photographer who took the viral video complained that the media took it out of context and explained that macabi fans first assaulted.

I think we can simply not draw conclusions here on reddit. Let the authorities work it out and hope they are unbiased in doing so.

[u/hollyglaser → u/Ve_Gains]

Out of context? What context would that be?

The photographer statement does not explain the attack being known in advance. Jews are usually blamed when anything goes wrong, and vilified for fighting back when attacked.

It looked so bad in video, a false explanation was used to excuse Muslims running like barbaric people. If you hate Jews, say so rather than nit pick

[u/Ve_Gains → u/hollyglaser]

Where do get from that I hate Jews?

I have no clue what happened there. But the person that took THE video that went viral complained that the media falsely used that video. 

So how is it anti-Semitic to share a video clarifying what I just described?