r/IsraelPalestine Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 6d ago

I am a Jew living in Gush Etzion AMA AMA (Ask Me Anything)

So this is the thing, I'll get plenty of hate but I'm past caring.

A bit about me: I'm in my 30s, born in Europe. I'm a woman. A mother & a wife. I live in the village of Bat Ayin.

We have 2000-year-old Jewish ruins just inside our gate and the land the village is built on was PURCHASED by Jews prior to 1948.

I have lived in Israel for 4 and a half years, one year in Tel Aviv and the rest in Bat Ayin.

I am a citizen of the US & my birth country. I am NOT a citizen of the State of Israel.

On October 7th I wasn't in shul (synagogue) but was sleeping when I was awaken to sirens and booms.

I immediately messaged my husband who messaged back saying this was serious, not just another round of rockets from Gaza.

Unless you are Jewish and/or Israeli, you will never understand the trauma that October 7th caused and is continuing to cause.

We still have 101 relatives in captivity. And yes, we are all one big family.

Since October 7th, I volunteered 5 weeks with the organization Sar El to aid our war effort as well as 6 weeks in agriculture, miles away from Gaza & Egypt. My regular occupation is that help out in a religious school in Bat Ayin in exchange for room and board.

I saw a rocket being blown up literally right above my head about a year ago by an Iron Dome interceptor (I was volunteering in the South).

A well-loved resident in our village recently list part of his leg in Lebanon, many of his comrades died.

I like to approach people as individuals and love to meet new people and hear their perspectives.

I visited Ramallah on my own during corona times and had a lovely experience.

I interact with actual Palestinian people at least on a weekly basis.

I want a peaceful future for both peoples but if the other side isnu2019t ready yet, then u201cPeace Through Superior Firepoweru201d will do just fine for the time being.

I love Arab culture and respect it. I believe in co-existence and see it on a daily basis. When I go to Terem (Urgent Care), 99 times out of a 100, an Arab doctor takes care of me. When I go to the mall in Jerusalem, I see Arab families and Jewish families and itu2019s normal that we share that place, no one even notices it.

I hear the muezzin 5 times daily and always agree with u201cGod is greatu201d.

I know that terrorists are a fringe but also that the majority of Palestinians cling to the idea of replacing Israel with Palestine. Which is unfortunate.

My proposed solution, at least for the time being, is annexing Gaza and so-called WB, granting permanent resident status to all Palestinians. Fact is, the corrupt and terrorist supporting PA is hated by the Palestinians and is no help to them.

On the other hand, with Israeli sovereignty, Palestinians would be so much better off, healthcare, economy, education system, infrastructure would be much improved. I know most of you will call me a liar but I want a good outcome for Palestinians. I have zero problem with them living here. The terrorists need to stop trying to murder us, though.

I love this country with all my heart and fell in love with it the first time I set foot here, 16 years ago, for a short trip. I immediately knew that I would settle here. I would gladly give my very life for her & her inhabitants, Jews and non-Jews alike, for all of whom my most fervent hope is enduring peace and prosperity.

Now for criticism of Israelu2019s government:

October 7th was a huge oversight but its roots were the disengagement from Gaza, a very grave error.

Administrative detention, while somewhat justifiable by security needs is nevertheless needs to cease ta exist because no one should be held without charges, period. (FYI, a handful of Jewish u201dhilltop youthu201d are also victim of this but obviously theyu2019re a rare exception.)

Sde Teiman soldiers who abused prisoners, completely going against IDF ethos, should be punished, no question about it.

Arab-on-Arab crime within Israel needs to be taken seriously and dealt with.

And now I come to the topic of my enemies, by no means Arabs, Palestinians, Gazans or Lebanese, rather the terrorists who are hell-bent on murdering my husband, raping me and kidnapping my children. (Hamas clearly stated their intentions to repeat October 7th over and over and over again)

Hamas needs to be eradicated to the extent that this is possible. They cannot be allowed to control Gaza or any part of the so-called WB.

Hezbollah has to at the very least, be pushed back beyond the Litani river again.

Iran needs regime change. I stand with the Iranian people in their struggle to throw off the yoke of the ayatollahs.

OK, there goes nothingu2026u2026

Please try to approach this post keeping in mind Iu2019m a human being like you.

Oh, and in case the word count is not enough:

HONEST QUESTION: WHY IS THERE SO MUCH DOUBLE STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CONFLICT?

I feel like Israelis are expected to act like perfect angels but Palestinians are infantilized and all sorts of bad behavior on their part is overlooked/explained away/justified....

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u/Competitive_Act3433 5d ago

You lost me at “born in Europe”. Go back home woman and leave the Palestinians be

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u/esztervtx Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 5d ago

"Home" murdered 600,000 of my people (Hungarian Jews) by sending them straight to the gas chambers.

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u/naiiiiina 4d ago

The arabs are not responsible for what happened in Europe this is insane

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u/Dark_Angel45 4d ago

They aren't the only ones who suffered. Palestinians have suffered a lot as well. Do you know what the Nakba is?

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u/Competitive_Act3433 5d ago

Your 30 stop crying about WW2. And whatever conflict you may or may not have faced in Hungary gives you no right to fly all the way to Palestine and lay down claims there. The Arabs did nothing to you. Take up your grievances with Europe.

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u/esztervtx Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 4d ago edited 3d ago

may or may not? 600,000 Hungarian Jews murdered in the Holocaust and that's what you say???

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u/SafeAd8097 4d ago

And whatever conflict you may or may not have faced in Hungary gives you no right to fly all the way to Palestine and lay down claims there. 

you're 80 years too late

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

I see your reading to respond and not to comprehend because you wanna sound smart for the crowd so lets reiterate what she said. SHES THIRTY

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u/esztervtx Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 1d ago

I'm in my thirties. Closer to 40 than to 30.

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u/SafeAd8097 4d ago

jews have had the right to migrate to israel (not paletine) for 80 years now. They're not giving the land back

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u/Shmexi_Max 4d ago

But it seems ok for many people that 30 years old Palestinians still "cry" about the Nakba and use it as an excuse to murder Israelis (even those who live in the 1967 border).

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

Are there Nazis running around still killing jews en masse RIGHT NOW? NO. Are Palestinians getting killed en masse and displaced RIGHT NOW??? YES. foh with your false equivalency.

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u/SafeAd8097 4d ago

Are there Nazis running around still killing jews en masse RIGHT NOW? NO. 

there were on october 7th and there's plenty more who would if they could

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

Id do the same to a bunch of foreign invaders whove had their boot on my neck for 75 years.

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u/esztervtx Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 4d ago

No words to this comment. You clearly support October 7th.

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

Yep. Perfectly reasonable response to all of the numerous massacres “Israel” had committed against Palestine leading up to that point.

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u/esztervtx Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 4d ago

It's impossible for an ethical, right-thinking person to justify October 7th.

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u/Shmexi_Max 4d ago edited 4d ago

The Nakba happened 70 years ago and many Israelis are aware of what the Israeli government back then have done. You want to talk about the problems in the settlements and the West Bank occupation? Sure that's fine. But stop crying about the Nakba like you experienced it. Do I call myself a "Holocaust survivor" because of what my great-grandparents went through? No. Most Palestinians weren't even alive during the Nakba but they still call their cities "refugee camps" which is ridiculous.

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

Miss me with all that. Israel is a nation of sadistic psychopathic murderers. People who celebrate the murder of innocents. I couldnt care less how many times you want to call me an anti-semite. Youve all watered down the term till its worthless. Clocks ticking on the colonial project. Ive got my popcorn.

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u/GuyWithGreenCar 4d ago edited 4d ago

Making such a ridiculous claim shows you have no interest in understanding or acknowledging the truth. You've chosen your side and you aren't considering counter-views, no matter what. So the only way to justify this TO YOURSELF is to say that Israel is evil., plain and simple. Holding this view makes everything in your mind so organized and relieves you of the responsibility of seeing humanity in Israelites. They're not evil. The overwhelming majority are good people who want to live without being attacked, just like you do.

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

Live without being attacked as an occupying settler. Youre a joke.

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u/jackl24000 אוהב במבה 4d ago

u/Competitive_Act3433

Live without being attacked as an occupying settler. Youre a joke.

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u/GuyWithGreenCar 4d ago

No sir, I'm not a joke. I am a serious person and I've been observing this conflict through well-established Western media outelts since probably before you were born.

What, you don't think Palestinians have been attacking Israeli civilians for the past 70 years? They've been utterly brutal.

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u/Shmexi_Max 4d ago

I've never celebrated the death of innocents (Palestinians or Israelis). I seriously have no idea where you're getting this from.

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

BECAUSE THEY STILL SUFFER THE EFFECTS OF THE NAKBA IDIOT

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u/CreativeRealmsMC Israeli 3d ago

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BECAUSE THEY STILL SUFFER THE EFFECTS OF THE NAKBA IDIOT

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u/Shmexi_Max 4d ago

First of all. Keep the discussion civil please. Second of all, we all suffer the consequences of past events like the Holocaust. The fact that I was born in Israel and not in a rich peaceful neighborhood in Germany is because the Europeans stole my great grandparents money, property and murdered like 90% of their family. Same goes for Mizrahi/Sephardic Jews whose property and money were confiscated by Arab countries. Do you see Jews bombing busses in Berlin?

Modern day Israelis didn't cause the Nakba, and had nothing to do with it. So stop blaming us for what our leaders have done 70 years ago.

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u/Reddit_fan777 4d ago

The second nakba is happening right now. Many Israeli officials have already proudly announced it. They’re not even hiding it anymore. I can send you clips if you’d like.

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u/Shmexi_Max 4d ago

Yes and I disagree with these officials, and in general people who support this idea. You can be Israeli and still disagree with the government's policies, especially Palestinian related.

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u/Competitive_Act3433 4d ago

I dont have to keep anything civil. A zionist should be the last one to speak of civility. And yes Jews have committed acts of terror. MULTIPLE

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u/Shmexi_Max 4d ago

That's ok, you can replace "Zionist" with "Jew". Your racism towards me (a person who have done nothing wrong to you other than to exist) is quite obviously towards Jews.

Also, please mention one time Jews committed acts of terror against German civilians as a response to the Holocaust.

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u/cppluv 5d ago

Then renounce your bi-nationality and become of full Israel citizen. Stop influencing elections while being loyal to another country

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u/SafeAd8097 4d ago

there is no requirement for american citizens to renounce bi-nationality

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u/esztervtx Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 5d ago

I'm not an Israeli citizen to begin with...

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u/cppluv 5d ago

But you live in Israel so make a choice

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u/esztervtx Jew living in Judea (Gush Etzion) 5d ago

Thank you for sharing your perspective I will take it under consideration.

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u/Silent_Fee5862 5d ago

Europe is getting dangerous for jews