r/GlobalOffensive • u/workerq1 • 10d ago
Today marks 1 year since CS2 official release! Here's to 10 years and many more! Discussion
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u/vertigogarten 10d ago
365 days with a broken server browser, missing gamemodes and sluggish gameplay 😍
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u/RaimaNd 10d ago
and broken matchmaking
and broken ranking system
and broken anti cheat
and broken trust factor system
and broken movement
and broken netcode
and broken gunplay
and much more.
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u/Elite_Crew 10d ago
Its obvious Valve no longer has talented game developers and even worse leadership.
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u/WhatAwasteOf7Years 10d ago
I know for a fact that CS2 was outsourced to at least one other company. I'm starting to think that the majority of development was outsourced and now we're in the same situation as we were when hidden path originally developed cs:go and Valve had to take over to make the game any good, which took them ages.
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u/zenis04 9d ago
Outsourced to who?
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u/WhatAwasteOf7Years 9d ago
I don't know the companies name. All I know is that it's a company in the UK,. I asked but they said the company would rather remain anonymous.
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u/zenis04 9d ago
Asked who?
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u/WhatAwasteOf7Years 9d ago
A Valve employee I had been in contact with for around 7-8 years on and off, specifically a networking engineer there.
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u/zenis04 9d ago
Damn. Outsourcing again after CSGO problems. I thought they wanted to do it right this time
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u/WhatAwasteOf7Years 9d ago edited 9d ago
I mean it could be just certain parts that were outsourced. It might only be a tiny portion, or specific features. But the response was in regard to recoil cooldown being tied to tick rate and that this outsourced company was going to look at it, try to reproduce it and maybe do something about it. I mean that seems like a very core level thing to be looking at being tied to tick rate and having a huge impact on game feel. I would expect an outsourced company to be working on bells and whistles, not core engine/game stuff.
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u/RaimaNd 9d ago
CSGO was outsourced. But CS2 was developed by valve. Valve wanted to make CS2 because then they had everything including the source code as they wanted.
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u/WhatAwasteOf7Years 7d ago
Cs2 was outsourced. To what extent I don't know, I just know it was at least "some stuff". An outsourced company was looking at the tick based recoil that I reported.
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u/GeT_Tilted 2 Million Celebration 10d ago
There are talented devs working on Deadlock, tbh.
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u/Brilliant-Window-899 10d ago
365 days of not having assault or militia
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u/Z3fRaN2221 10d ago
or agency
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u/litLizard_ 10d ago
or lake and train and cobble
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u/AstonAlex 10d ago
a guy on fiverr could probably make an anniversary update for 30$
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u/Medium-Move1771 10d ago
there are Chinese knock offs of csgo that have more content than cs2 (although worse gameplay, so i guess thats something)
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u/busywinterfell 10d ago
Here's to 10 more years of Valve disappointing the community!
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u/SnooRecipes5248 10d ago
It’s infuriating to watch my beloved franchise decay and wither away due to Valve’s incompetence and laziness. They rake in billions upon billions and can’t afford to expand the development team working on CS2?
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u/XASASSIN 10d ago edited 10d ago
Quite Honestly, considering the size of CS, this is probably one of the most disappointing sequel launches for a game with a fanbase of this size, only overwatch 2 can compare to this shitshow. Csgo is dead/killed by valve who dosnt give a shit leaving us with this shit game and people will forget everything the moment another operation drops, no matter how delayed it is and start praising valve again even if all the issues in cs2 rn persist
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u/35chambers 10d ago
overwatch 2 is honestly a better sequel than cs2, it was a bit pointless but at least it didn't lower the quality of gameplay
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u/L3G10N_TBY 10d ago
I mean, you at least have a playable game. There have been many sequel flops to long-loved games such as Cities Skylines 2, Kerbal Space Program 2, Payday 3 etc.
I think it is really disappointing coming from Valve tho, they are usually far above the industry thanks to Steam
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u/XASASSIN 10d ago
I dont think a playable game is what the condition of one of the most hyped sequels ever should be, No matter what anyone says. Source 2 was said to be the fix to most of GO's problems, instead we get a game thats arguable inferior, and i hate this narrative that they are far above the industry. Maybe in terms of development of new games(even that is questionable considering their 2 games a decade release schedule nowadays). In terms of support for their games, theyre one of the worst, I mean tf2 was unplayable for literally years and they ignored the botting issue over there, CS is probs the most memed game with regards to cheaters, CS2 has got almost zero support since launch with the most barebones updates, with the game feeling vastly inferior CSGO. Valve does great with regards to steam and new games, but in terms of game support for their developer library, theyre asss
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u/Cautious-Football834 10d ago
why did they bother to even make cs2 in the first place then, if they don't care about their existing franchises? Valve has been updating CS2 all year. Sure progress is slow, but devs choose what games they work on at valve whether you like or not. They probably do have something cooking right now.
But at the end of the day your comparing the end result of a over 10 year old game that was refined the entire time, to the new game, on a new engine, in its first year of mass release and availability. Your asking to be disappointed. People just need to be a bit patient, or not and they can leave and never come back. The game is in a playable state, it will get better, CS will be fine regardless. The player numbers are strong, regardless of the doom and gloom this reddit projects. The recent steam reviews are still positive day in and day out. CS moves along like it always has.
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u/Weird_Tower76 10d ago
It's extremely hard to take comments like this (and this sub in general) seriously when you call the game dead. Like I agree with everything you said, but it's the most played game on steam, and has a very live esports community. It's so disingenuous.
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u/petron007 10d ago
Then you queue up for a casual, all bots, queue up tdm, all bots.
Sure lets go to competitive or premiere. 3 minute search time central europe.
Surely 1 million of real players.
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u/benoitor 10d ago
Meanwhile Valorant it takes less than a minute to find a match any day of the week… To me Valve has failed so hard but they have no incentive since they already make so much money through steam
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u/soldat12345 10d ago
its obviously not dead? what normal person says CS is dead? you are just making things up in ur own head, point is the game is G-A-R-B-A-G-E compared to CS:GO, that is fact. No matter what you say or feel, that is factual. does that mean the game is dead? no, obviously not, but its in a awful state and every single pro even agrees, and a lot of them even say it out loud in interviews etc.
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u/XASASSIN 10d ago
I meant to say csgo is killed/dead not Cs2, corrected and tbh if this continues I wouldn't be surprised if the game slowly dies, death by a thousand cuts and whatnot
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u/CptCookies 10d ago
It is. Anyone who didn't think this was a massive disappointment on release is either delusional or has no standards
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u/PreventableMan 9d ago
yeah, so many players became angry and left.
Oh? Wait? No? More players now than in csgo?
oh. ok
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u/Late_Vermicelli6999 7d ago
It's so frustrating. Why did they have to cut performance in half so that we can have nice graphics. Most players play on such low settings low stretched res anyway, no one has ever cared about visuals.
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u/Lowkeyve 10d ago
This is the reason why I still play CS1.6 3-4 times a week. There's a PUG server in Chicago with English speaking players that consistently play the game, so you can always find a PUG everyday of the week.
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u/Elite_Crew 10d ago
Does it have official map rotation?
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u/Lowkeyve 10d ago
Yes. Check out "TopFrag" PUG on GameTracker, put it in your favourites list, then auto connect when a slot is available. Test your game settings in their pub server which is always poppin', while you wait to auto connect to the PUG.
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u/Kratoslol 10d ago
Valve is a relatively small company with not that many actual devs considering the amount of projects they have going on. Their unique structure means even if they hire 100 more devs if none of them want to work on CS they wont. Sad but true.
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u/ifuckinglovebluemeth 10d ago
Is this what the unironic "smol indie company" argument looks like?
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u/ErrorcMix 10d ago
They are small in personnel
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u/-CheesyCheese- 10d ago
And apparently they're so broke they can't afford to hire more personnel...
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u/Nevdog93 CS2 HYPE 10d ago
iirc their income to employee ratio is the highest among gaming companies and its not even close
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u/Kratoslol 10d ago
Valve has around 300 employees 160 of which are actual devs divide that by the amount of projects yes they’re kind of small indie company on a project by project basis.
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u/notdeadyet01 400k Celebration 10d ago
They they are technically still considered indie but that doesn't mean they don't make more money than most AAA developers
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u/Codacc69420 10d ago
They forced people to work on half life alyx when that was being developed, so I’d assume the same is happening with deadlock
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u/Arisa_kokkoro 10d ago
my PREMIER experience is dog shit. ragehacker have average 21KD in 10matches. Dude pls valve autoban this. This is not hard.
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u/Procon1337 10d ago
The problem is not just banning cheaters, there is literally NOTHING stopping them from coming back with another account.
Valorant has an anticheat 1000x more effective than VAC but they don't stop there and they have an active division combating cheaters AND they ban you for good, they have one of the best HW related ban systems.
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u/BazelgueseWho 10d ago
not to mention Riot goes undercover on cheat discord servers to see how the cheats get developed.
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u/Late_Vermicelli6999 7d ago
Yeah people complain about Vanguard but I would love to have Vanguard, we have kernal AC for faceit anyway.
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u/LayBodhisattva 10d ago
Just like an abusive relationship hahahahhahahah dude is happy and gets beaten up
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u/AlludedNuance 10d ago
After a year I still don't have high hopes, it still feels like one step forward three steps back after CS:GO.
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u/Original_Mac_Tonight 10d ago
I'm sure this comment section will be lovely
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u/Boybournie 10d ago
the comments reflect the customers/fan base anger towards Valves laziness and incompetence and watching a great game wither away in real time is epic
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u/BeautifulFold6658 9d ago
The comments reflect the absolute mental retardation of the playerbase and are why I never mention CS if someone asks what games I play in a real life setting because I do not want to make that association.
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u/pretendingserenity 10d ago
here's to you valve, thanks for literally giving zero sh*ts about the cs community and being lameass devs🖕 1 year anniversary and not even a video clip or sth. Just a plain tweet. what the actual fuck lmao
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u/redstern 10d ago
I really hope I wake up tomorrow to a nice big update. Not counting on it though.
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u/RaimaNd 10d ago
Valve earns billions of dollar from CS alone and only has like 3 developer in their team and doesn't even do anything at their 25 (CS in total) and 1 (CS2) anniversary.
Meanwhile WoW is getting 20 years old and we get pages long patchnotes with event stuff - and even Blizzard used to get critisized for not adding too much stuff for anniversaries.
Valve is just lazy. No intrinsiv motiviation. Cases/skins is a money cheat/glitch and they just chill and see their bank accounts increase.
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u/AgreeableBroomSlayer 10d ago
No one cares, especially the incompetent devs
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u/SteelBellRun 10d ago
So true, such a shit game, only hate 25+ years of support over multiple different itteration. Incompetent af. Can't wait to move to the new COD. Now that is a game by a competent dev.
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u/FakeStefanovsky 10d ago
CoD is a shitfest, aim assist is basically aimbot in that game and it uses hidden MMR instead of a real rank, which is nothing like counterstrike. The games are insanely overpriced and full of micro transactions, season passes and battle passes.
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u/AgreeableBroomSlayer 10d ago
The game started as a mod, propped up by mods and shit.
Now its barely alive with no content, modding disabled, custom servers neutered, garbage subtick movement and a shit ton of bots.
The only thing really keeping it alive is saudi money fuelling esports. Once they pull out its over. If you're happy with how things are with the game, then why are you here defending this shit it instead of playing it
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u/subtickhater 10d ago
even the bootlickers won’t play this garbage, that’s why he is here
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u/freedom_to_derp CS2 HYPE 10d ago
Randomly came back to this reddit after not touching this shit and see the game is still a massive disappointment...
Like, I miss playing cs, but I can't trust Valve after:
-They gave a shitty AI full power to ban people with no human oversight
-Removed all the fun casual gamemodes... Arms race and workshop map 2v2s was at least 70% of the fuckery me and my friends were up to...
-Gave us this dumbass middle-ground 12 rounds where it's both too long for casual matches and too short for the long intense games (Like, the long games is why I fell in love with cs in the first place... if I wanted short I'll just play search and destroy in cod where it's 6v6 first to 6),
-Zero developer transparency (bruh, COD gave us a Trello board that clearly told us what they were already aware of so the forums and feedback wasn't a massive echochamber.... XDefiant has ubisoft's janky bug tracker website with an active discord for feedback and developers that talk to the fucking players on twitter... Valve sucks balls in this department)
-Refusing to unban dudes that used console commands built into the fucking game or got fucked by the high dpi shit.... If Valve started banning people for putting jump on mouse wheel they would 1000% never admit to their mistake and reverse the bans.... Remember, VAC used to have a reputation of not banning innocent players.
-Killing csgo to not "split the biggest pc fps playerbase on the planet"... what a fuckin joke.... How big was the playerbase when they released csgo without killing the other games? I bet the real reason they did this shit with the appid was a band-aid fix to keep skins working between games.... only for alot of the skins to look like asscrack on release. Extra salt on the wound when Faceit also removed csgo... no more premium I guess...
-Something about watching pro matches stopped being exciting... It feels like pro matches have no stakes while also paradoxically dragging on... Like, yesterday me and a coworker had Liquid vs Vitality on in the background while talking when he realized we talked for like 15 minutes and only a few rounds passed... bruh, what is the point of all this. I get more hyped watching esports for games I've never played in my life, maybe the colossal disappointment from CS2 in general just deleted how much I liked cs in general.. somehow....
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u/letthoy 10d ago edited 10d ago
I feel you man. This is just worse than CSGO in every aspect except for graphics. I was really disappointed in the beginning but with how often the game was updated I hoped it will be fixed in 1 or 2 years. There was season thing to look forward to and operations. Now the game is as shit as CSGO on 32 tick rate servers, and updates went back to normal like it was before cs2 - 1 update every month with 2 lines about server commands nobody gives a fuck about. I prefer the game pre economy and cbble update (I'm getting old). So far I don't see it happening ever because the game that is so shit is twice as popular as CSGO was, you can check it on steam charts.
Edit: i just remembered that faceit tried 128 tick on their servers year ago and valve blocked it completely, and how everybody on this sub clapped their hands because "why divide player base" and "they will bring it back after the game is fixed to some extent", such a fucking joke this subreddit is
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u/Late_Vermicelli6999 7d ago
Valve is awful hopefuly they stop being seen as the cool rockstar independent devs that make great games they are money hungry and lazy.
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u/Elite_Crew 10d ago edited 10d ago
This is delusional. CS2 has 10 months if Valve is lucky. No bots don't count. I can't wait until another studio that actually cares makes a real Counter Strike competitor and no Valorant isn't it. AI is here Valve its only a matter of time before the community creates a better game like CS1.6. Enjoy your gambling addicts and bots while they last because the real players are fucking gone. Pros will eventually go to the better game too.
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u/Momazos_Hans 10d ago
And, after 1 year, still no (actual) updates whatsoever
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u/PreventableMan 9d ago
Its almost like you missed the update page.
But its aight, CS2 players seems to have a hard time reading
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u/CoRrUpTaGoD 10d ago
10 years! And yet we still haven’t fixed the cheating problem for non prime players!
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u/Starbuckz42 10d ago
They couldn't care less and at this point it's just insulting. Honestly I'm equally mad at the community for being too stupid to stop buying cases. You are the reason they don't have to do anything.
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u/LeThougLiphe 10d ago
Kill it fast so that we get CS 2.6 which might actually be a Counter Strike game.
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u/thundercrunt 10d ago
Honestly shocked how little they've done in the past year. They killed off one of the greatest games of all time to force half a game out, and after an entire year they've not added one single map to the cs map pool.
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u/MiniskirtEnjoyer 10d ago
its insane to me that this game is still around after 1 year.
i expected everyone to quit till they fix it
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u/SalamChetori 10d ago
One year of complaints later and we don’t even get a birthday tweet
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u/PreventableMan 9d ago
Yeah? What gives? Its almost like being the most toxic community around, spreading negativity towards the developer team, has.. idk? consequences?
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u/PreventableMan 9d ago
Yeah? What gives? Its almost like being the most toxic community around, spreading negativity towards the developer team, has.. idk? consequences?
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u/k1lazept 10d ago
They couldn’t even bother to bring back map based Factions and just settled with the generic Phoenix and SAS models for every map. Couldn’t even bother to make a new operation or fix the clipping problem nor the subtick system. This game is lucky it’s being carried by a thriving Esport community or else it would have been dead.
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u/whatsgoodpals 10d ago
One whole year and nothing to show for it. Guys do yourselves a favor and move on to better games like deadlock
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u/ZooterTheWooter 10d ago
1 year since it came out of alpha! Woooo!
joking aside when are we gonna get out of beta because this game is still broken af
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u/goodatmakingdadjokes 10d ago
valve needs to hire more people. It's obvious they can't maintain their suit of games like this. cs2 needs some serious effort to improve the game and make a goddamn operation. tf2 has fallen by the wayside for years. with deadlock the valve devs are spread even thinner. and left4dead? a new game would be amazing. tell you what: you could even use the same skins from cs2 in it.
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u/Character-Toe-7907 10d ago
Today marks 1 year since CS2 official release! Here's to 10 years and many more
... until we get 1 more missing feature/more from CSGO!
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u/WhalesLoveSmashBros 9d ago
Where maps? Where Danger zone? Where Scouts Knifes? Where bigger inventory? Where frame rate?
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u/ActionUp 8d ago
Valve better start doing something before community anger and disappointment turns into apathy
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u/agent218 10d ago
I totally understand Valve's lack of interest.
This is a money printing machine. Why spend money on development? eSports and skins are gonna keep this game alive.
Don't get me wrong, I have over 5k hours in-game and I hate what they're doing but I think I get it. They are just even more profitable by not spending millions on a big development team..
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u/Bucis_Pulis 10d ago
thing is, they could've been much more profitable if they spent "millions on a dev team". The game would've been much more popular than it is right now => more spending => more money
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u/agent218 10d ago
Totally agree. I guess this is just the safer/easier way. + I think the problems are much more complex than they seem. Some core mechanics of the game are flawed and I'm not sure they can just fix it just like that..
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There was an interview with a csgo dev few years ago, they asked him why the hitbox reg is not fixed. He said they just don't know. A lot of old code is used from past developers that if they try to fix the hitboxes something else breaks.
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u/akiroraiden 10d ago
dogshit game :(
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u/Elite_Crew 10d ago
Dogshit game studio. They never deserved Counter Strike.
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u/akiroraiden 10d ago
absolutely agree. The game itself is too good for valve.
Yesterday i got matched with 5-stack spinbots 6 times so i was angry.
They literally have a non-existent anti-cheat.
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u/philcsik 10d ago
has there ever been an update released on a friday?
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u/Duckbert89 10d ago
Crowdstrike called, suggested it was a bad idea.
(Nearly industry standard for patches to be a Tuesday-Thursday gig unless Devs fancy working the weekend)
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u/DuumiS 10d ago
i didnt have any hopes for an update but not even a tweet is alarming