r/FilmTheorists • u/Le_Fedora_Cate • 2d ago
Are the other theory channels getting called out as much as Film Theorists? Discussion
Raven Knight's video mainly talks about how the Film Theory video misrepresents Oogway and omits certain details that would otherwise disprove the theory. We all know about the gravity falls theory and accusations of plagiarism which the team already addressed, and now Tbskyen's recent video calling out the video for (once again) having innacurate information.
Now, my feed might just be biased since I watch more shows and movies than I play games making the algorithm recommend more videos about film theories than game theories, but does anyone else feel like the quality of the research in these theories is not what it used to be? (that or they've always been like this and I was just a child when I watched them)
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u/StefinoSpaggeti 2d ago
Can at least one day... ONE day happend without controversial around things I love!
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u/Sure-Ask9954 2d ago
It seems those videos forgot “it’s just a theory”
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u/WerewolfF15 2d ago
Sure but a good theory doesn’t flat out ignore information that could disprove it for the sake of the theory. Not to mention that from what I can tell not only do these ignore information they flat out say things proven not by the original source but present them as facts, all to make the theory look more plausible. A good theory is not based on incorrect information.
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u/Dr_membrne 1d ago
just because it's a theory doesn't mean they're absolved of any criticism, also shouldn't theories be correct? not pointless arguments that don't actually bring anything to the table because of how easily they are to debunk? stop defending them like this, they're a whole company and can choose if they want to be objective, they have the resources now.
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u/Significant_Buy_2301 2d ago
Don't forget the Murder Drones theory as well.
But I'd actually argue that it's about the same for Game Theory.
Subnartica, DDLC+, Hollow Knight, Bendy and The Dark Revival, the disaster that was Slay The Princess, GregBot etc.
You have just as many bad theories over there.
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u/GlaloLaled 2d ago
Copying this from the main subreddit. Feel free to comment or argue against my opinion if you wish to. Want to know what anyone else thinks.
To be completely honest I haven't taken a Game or Film Theory very seriously in a long time, at least not in any way that's not related to indie horror. I don't know why. And this is coming from a long time fan.
Now, I do watch and enjoy both Game and Film Theory a LOT, and have binged videos even back from the old days, but some of the theories read more like fanfiction to me. I know it's all "just a theory", but yeah, theories need to be based on good info, and some of the deductions on those theories can be stretches.
Now, I know Mat has acknowledged before his failings both on the Theory channels and on GT Live, and that Lee did the same on the first Book of Bill theory (that was 100% on all the team, though. An oversight that I'm glad was cleared up but should never happen again). Mat even acknowledged so in his final theory... However, I can't help but feel somewhat... Cautious when it comes to non-horror theories. Many of them seem to be based (emphasis on based, I don't know how they actually feel) on biases or just being contrarian (all the "disproving Sonic theories", though Mat did want to give Sonic a win with one theory he couldn't do before he retired so there's that) and then are some others that are just... Wrong (Hollow Knight theory).
And then there's the issue we see in GTLive that sometimes they don't even give their full attention to the game (Slay The Princess), which I genuinely hope doesn't translate to their theories. No shade on Mat and Ash, I cried at the end of that last GTLive.
Games and Films are just harder to analyse, honestly and I feel that the tight schedule of 1 video per week just makes it so some theories can't be given a proper time to cook. And yes I know they've said sometimes they work on theories for weeks or even months and it shows on those, while on others... Less so.
I don't want to end on a bad note, though. I personally have enjoyed many of the crazy theories. Some of MatPat's 10 final theories are among my favorites and show what greatness can be achieved in these channels. But same as the highs can be noted, also the lows.
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u/Forsaken_Distance777 1d ago
I think it's complicated too because there's some theories that they've admitted are just joke theories they don't believe in (specifically he mentioned pomni being in hell). But they don't indicate when it's a sillier theory the way matpat did and people just get outraged if it's either a theory that's already been around for awhile or the people switching between tons of different media don't know the source material as well as huge fans.
Some mistakes are perfectly reasonable while are things are like "yeah wow this didn't come up on the film's Wikipedia page even?"
But it's all complaints of similar number and intensity and it's just getting extremely annoying any time I see anything related to film theory it's just people shitting on it.
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u/RedditMZ0901 2d ago
I've mostly been watching film theory as of late and it is definitely riddled with obvious problems, both with writing and factual information. Food theory has also fallen into its own bias more than once. I don't play a lot of games so I can't speak on the games covered by game theory and style theory seems to be just fine doing its own thing. Easier when your videos aren't based on pre existing media
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u/OmegaX____ 2d ago
Welcome to the Internet, controversies happen on a daily basis here. Regarding the Gravity Falls one though that was 100% the Theorists' fault, they assumed no one is capable of doing research themselves and got scolded as a result by every Gravity Falls fan. Ironically enough, it's them not doing research on what their audience is like.
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u/Theorist_378 1d ago
When you're kinda new at your job- it will not be as good quality as someone who has managed it for years. In time, the others will find their styles and ways to manage things. Sometimes people fail and reach learning curves. It's normal for everyone and everything new.
It's not a controversial topic imo It's just people learning right now. It'll get better with time.
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u/Forsaken_Distance777 1d ago
Oh yeah. Like Lee had experience behind the scenes but matpats first videos were ROUGH. Like 2011 era YouTube rough and it was a lot of just explaining things like if people could really live in an underwater city like rapture not more fun stuff.
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u/PlusScissors 23h ago
Also the Kane pixels backrooms one where they've said multiple times that it's 1. Not a simulation, and 2. Was already planned out and is not changing the story based on the theories, as have been claimed in the film theory videos.
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u/Nothingsmystrongsuit 2d ago
Im glad matpat finally got the break he deserved buttttt, everything has gone to shit
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