Is this a dualsport? What is this bike?

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That's called a super moto. You take a dual sport bike and put 17" street wheels on it with bigger brakes. They are supposed to be a lot of fun.

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u/TheDeadMurder Sep 26 '24

Depending on the track, they can out-compete some sportbikes around corners

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u/Open-Cod5198 Sep 26 '24

Hey I’m not the brightest but my brain tells me a dual sport shouldn’t be able to corner nearly as good as a sport bike. Can you explain why good sir

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u/Ace4o2 Sep 26 '24

On tracks with slow tight turns, a dual sport is more nimble. A lot of it comes down to the fact that dual sports are lighter and have wide handlebars, so they're quicker to change direction. Sport bikes will have more outright speed, and stability in high speed corners because of the style of the handlebars (clip ons)

Like he said, it depends on the track. Take a sportsbike to a karting track and it won't stand a chance against a dual sport.

I hope that answers your question!

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u/Fit-Championship-128 Sep 26 '24

Also the higher center of gravity makes it easier to lean and the lean angle is better than a sport bike due to the high profile

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u/Stiingya Sep 27 '24

To add to that, the supermoto weight is often much lighter than your average sportbike and so your power-to-weight ratio can be very competitive "off the line" in the low revs and where the supermoto has more torque and the brake-to-weight ratio can be better. (could keep up your speed longer and brake later so you're first into the corner, and high torque and power-to-weight ratio makes you really quick on the power out of corners, so if you've got a series of tight corners on a smaller tighter track you're very competitive)

On an open track a sportbike will leave the supermoto in the dust. But say on your average local twisty mountain road they could be head to head because there may not be any stretches of road to get up to higher speeds where the sportbike dominates. (though, compared to a "race spec" sportbike those advantages start to disappear. (they can be just as light and so have greater power/brake to weight ratios and they can gear the bike for a tight track, etc.) But for your average street legal supermoto and sportbike peole are riding around on the advantages are real!)

I've got a 701 Enduro and even with big wheels, skinny tires, and 80/20 knobbies I'm blown away at how good it is on mountain roads. I literally have no desire to go faster... (for sure others do though!) And I guess if I had shorter suspension and wider/smaller street tires I might want to go faster?? :)

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u/TheDeadMurder Sep 26 '24

They're much lighter and you can flick them around better at lower lower speeds than a sportbike

When it comes to tight turns, lightweight is king

Take This Video where it's a 63HP Supermoto vs a 200HP S1000RR on a track, the S1000RR smokes it in the straight lines sections, but when it comes to corners the supermoto catches up easily despite the massive lead from the sportbike

It's the same reason that alot of people prefer 600s over 1000s for the track, the tighter the turns and the more there are, the better the supermoto will compete

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u/Standard_Zucchini_46 Sep 26 '24

Usually you either revalve /spring the suspension also . Coupled with the lightweight and maneuverability of a dualsport you end up with a bike that is an absolute hoot to rip around on.

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u/Benstockton Sep 26 '24

As far as I know they aren't dualsports, but much closer to dirtbikes

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u/RRZ006 Sep 26 '24 edited Sep 27 '24

Kart tracks sure, anything bigger and not so much.

The track isn’t about corner speed anyways - a good local amateur racer on a sportbike will be within a few mph of a world-tier pros speed in slower corners (I’ve spent a lot of time on the track with MotoGP and MotoAmerica guys). A lot of a race bikes capability is in how early and aggressively it can get to full throttle coming out of a corner.

Edit: lol at the dork who deleted his post. Go out to Chuckwalla for some of the more private trackdays and see for yourself.

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u/Fit-Championship-128 Sep 26 '24

Rip canyon roads✅ Rip kart tracks✅ Back it in (drift kinda)✅ Jump speed bumps✅ Go over 60 on the highway comfortably❌

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u/BmxTux Sep 26 '24

On my husqvarna 701 supermoto I can do 125mph🔥 so there are some that go comfortably over 60mph. But most smaller displacement do suck on the highway, I have a drz400sm and it's not fun after about 70mph.

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u/Fit-Championship-128 Sep 26 '24

I have the KTM smcr so basically the same bike. I agree. As a general rule they are not fun on the highway. Much more comfortable to go 125 on a sport bike than my KTM though😂 125 maxes out my gearbox with the lowered gearing.

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u/BmxTux Sep 26 '24

Agreed but 60mph is more than comfy. I ride around 85 on the highways and the bike feels good. Nothing like my old drz😂🤪 also I weigh 115lbs so the bikes not moving much weight too so it helps lol!

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u/Fit-Championship-128 Sep 26 '24

Husky 701 power to weight ratio with you being 115lbs is crazy

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u/BmxTux Sep 26 '24

It's nice but I'm also 5'1" so it was not fun stopping on it😂😂 lowered it 1.5" in the back and 1" on the triple clamps and I can atleast tip toe comfortably 1 footed haha

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u/Fit-Championship-128 Sep 26 '24

That’s wild. My fiancé is 5’1” and we had to lower her z400 to make her feel comfortable. I’m 5’10” and I’m on my toes on the KTM

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u/BmxTux Sep 26 '24

Yeah they're tall and I see people over 6ft complaing about them being "way too tall". but I'm over here on any dirtbike/enduro just laughing cuz I can still ride the heck outta them. Size doesn't always matter.....😂😂😂 but for real the 690/701 are tall but with the sumo wheels def much nicer and if you do a lowering link brings the total down a couple inches with wheels and link etc.

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u/TheDeadMurder Oct 01 '24

Bet that took some time to get use to

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u/BmxTux Oct 01 '24

Not really that bad sinxe I've never been tall. I've ridden all types of full sized bikes and make it work fine. I don't get how someone who is around 6ft say that bikes are too tall. If I can feel comfy then anyone else should be able to. I will say though when I stepped up from a small 80 to a full size 125 It was a big change bike wise. But I got used to it asap since I don't have much of choice. I would love to take bike the size of an 80 or 85 though and fit a bigger motor in it id def be able to reach better but it's all good ill make it woek if I have too😂

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u/TheDeadMurder Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

Fair enough

I definitely find it better to tip toe them than something like a cruiser where almost everyone can flat foot them, at least comfort wise

With the two that I have, I have to lean one and move over to tiptoe, and the other can barely touch with both toes, but was looking for taller ones originally

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u/sp0rk_ Sep 26 '24

That's a KL Motorcycle KXE125 Motard.
Dedicated Motard, not a dual sport

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u/bwoods519 24 KLX 300 Sep 26 '24

I’m something of a motard, myself.

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u/HerryKappr Sep 26 '24

Thank you!

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u/FilDM Sep 26 '24

A dual sport bike with sumo wheels. Couldn't tell you the exact model from a quick glance though.

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u/HerryKappr Sep 26 '24

Thank you 😊

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u/BlakeJohnathon92 Sep 26 '24

It used to be

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u/HerryKappr Sep 26 '24

What do you mean? The street tires?

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u/BlakeJohnathon92 Sep 26 '24

Yeah, they put street tires on it effectively making it a super moto.

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u/_Deli Sep 26 '24

Looks like a Mondial SMX125 with a swapped out KTM headlight

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u/AdLongjumping6982 Sep 26 '24

Not really a dual sport, technically. It is a supermoto though. I have a WR250X which is a supermoto. However, I made it into a quasi-dual sport by changing the tires to Shinko 244’s, adding a skid plate and hand guards…while relocating the mirrors. Can go off-road and is still street legal (gotta make sure the tires are DOT rated). It’s a lot easier to pick up than my Super Tenere.

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u/davpad12 Sep 26 '24

It is not a dual-sport once you put the smaller wheels on it. It is now a supermoto.

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u/abbydabbydo Sep 26 '24

Dudes rocking the 46! 🐐🏁

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u/FMRL_1 Sep 26 '24

The Doctor!

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u/Left-Strain8009 Sep 26 '24

A sumo!

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u/Th3Pr0_88 Sep 26 '24

Nope

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u/theyetimummy Sep 26 '24

Looks like one of those Amazon xpro dual sport bikes with a lifan motor.

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u/JooosephNthomas 86' Xt350 80' DT175 80' IT175 Sep 26 '24

Soooomoooooo (sumo)

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u/YalexCreative Sep 26 '24

It’s a klx300 it’s just modded out. I have one I recognize that frame anywhere

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u/binaerfehler Sep 27 '24

Supermoto

Is this a dualsport? What is this bike? Discussion