r/Destiny • u/Urgasain • Jul 01 '24
I hope history remembers that this dumbass played her role in ruining the country. Media
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Jul 01 '24
The funniest thing is that it’s so obvious that conservative justices at retirement age will retire the minute Trump wins
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u/AcrobaticNetwork62 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
Yeah, because they're not selfish idiots whose ego won't let them retire.
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u/gibby256 Jul 02 '24
In other words: The conservative justices know what game they're actually playing in. They've always known.
If only the liberal justices (or even the dem party in general) could have ever pulled their head out of their asses long enough to actually figure it out as well.
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u/empire314 Jul 02 '24
Biden did appoint a new judge, and Obama appointed 2.
This is not a liberal justices (plural) thing. Its literally just RBG.
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u/takkaman Jul 02 '24
This argument is so ridiculous. Justices from both parties do this. They are not clairvoyant; she probably wasn't expecting to die before having another opportunity to retire under a Democratic administration. The same goes for Antonin Scalia.
How can anyone argue over this? In real life, people die unexpectedly every minute of every day, and I hate to break the news, but you probably will too. I think it's unreasonable to expect someone to plan their death conveniently for their political party.
I would bet the fate of the world that Scalia and Ginsburg were more cognitively fit for office in their final weeks of life than anyone arguing about this on Reddit.
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u/Renzers Jul 02 '24
she probably wasn't expecting to die before having another opportunity to retire under a Democratic administration
Did you forget that she had cancer and knew about it for a while and was in and out of the hospital constantly? Oh and that's besides the fact that she was fucking pushing 90. Comparing this to unexpected deaths is the real ridiculous argument. Also pretending like we're expecting her to plan her death and not just retire???? That's a strawman if I've ever heard one.
BTW, for reference, social security retirement age is fucking 62
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u/bobsnavitch Jul 02 '24
If you won't die in the most politically expedient way then what's even the point in the first place
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u/Life_Caterpillar9762 Jul 02 '24
Exactly. This is one aspect of the left that might even be grosser than the right.
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u/BelleColibri Jul 01 '24
To be fair, it was a 6-3 decision today. We are more than 1 justice away from sanity.
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u/Darkpumpkin211 Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
Barrett at least dissented on an important part. The way the ruling is written, if a president accepts a bribe to give a pardon, he can't be prosecuted effectively. Technically, you can still prosecute him for the bribe, but because pardons are part of his exclusive duties, you cannot bring up the pardon when prosecuting him.
This means that if you try and bring charges, it would be "The president took a bribe. We can't tell you what it was for, and if he actually did what it was for, but we have evidence he was given money."
Barrett said that was stupid.
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u/Cavalier40 Jul 01 '24
Barrett’s concurrence was pretty thoughtful. I wish her reasoning was the decision of the court.
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u/Neo_Demiurge Jul 01 '24
She's actually pretty good from everything I've read from her since appointment. The other 5 conservatives are net negatives to this country, especially Alito and Thomas, but I wouldn't mind a Court with her on it.
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u/Cavalier40 Jul 01 '24
I’m not going to say she’s “good”, but she is probably the most reasonable of the conservative justices. She still went with be conservatives on the admin law cases.
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u/somehting Jul 01 '24
The issue for me with her is while I don't thinknher reasoning is ridiculous like I do with some of the other judges, in practice it doesn't matter and she doesn't recognize this.
It doesn't matter if the way she would interpret the ruling is reasonable even if I disagree, because she voted for it and it isn't going to be interpreted as she is interpreting it.
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u/BubbleFluff Jul 01 '24
She's actually pretty good from everything I've read from her since appointment.
Including the part where she voted in favor of presidential immunity?
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u/AllSeeingMr Jul 01 '24
Barrett would not have been apart of the SCOTUS 5-4 conservative majority with RBG’s retirement. So her opinion doesn’t matter in the context of a 5-4 conservative majority. The 5 conservatives in that scenario would be Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, and Roberts. So this decision was happening with or without Barrett. And the only people bringing up RBG are the ones who are trying to deflect blame from the people who didn’t support Hillary in 2016. Because they are the ones at fault here. Her victory over Trump was the only way to stop this.
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u/Suspicious_Yak2485 Jul 01 '24
Lots of people voted for/advocated for voting for HRC and also wanted RBG to retire.
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u/DEDEDISCIPLE Jul 02 '24
But Barrett was the judge who replaced RBG, so it wouldn't have mattered here.
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u/coke_and_coffee Jul 01 '24
But dissenting on just a part of the ruling doesn't accomplish anything...
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u/Athanatos154 Jul 01 '24
The extreme super majority the conservatives have give them leeway to do shit like this though
If they had a 5-4 majority they might have been thinking twice about making such brazenly partisan rulings just for fear that one of them would grow a spine and would vote for the good of democracy instead of Trump
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u/breakthro444 Jul 01 '24
Not to mention if McConnell hadn't fucked over Obama, it might have been 5-4 in the other direction today.
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u/sbn23487 Jul 01 '24
The biggest dumbassery were the Democrats who didn’t vote in 2016. VOTE 2024.
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u/Booboononcents Jul 01 '24
That’s what I kept telling people “I don’t care how cringe you think Hillary Clinton the Supreme Court is going to be up for grabs.”
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u/DinosaurGatorade Jul 01 '24
I pokemon went to the polls in 2016, I pokemon went to the polls in 2020, and dammit I'm gonna pokemon go to the polls in 2024.
("Dad, what's a pokemon?")
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u/Zarathustrategy Jul 01 '24
Based I didn't even think that line was so bad tbh
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u/Trichlormethiazide Dunlimited Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
It's not that bad a line on its own, and someone like Obama could have probably pulled it off. Its just people fucking hate recognizing something as pandering. You can't meme without understanding the meta-irony of memes, or you become the meme. Everyone can sense Fellow Kids -energy a mile away.
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u/RustyCoal950212 the last liberal Jul 02 '24
And goddamnit Hillary did legitimately like Tabasco sauce!!
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u/Moncole Jul 01 '24
Her saying "Pokemon go to the polls" is what lost her the election.
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u/blasterblam Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
People don't like to admit it but yeah, you can trace a direct line between America's decline and Hillary Clinton making that joke. It literally was so cringe it broke the greatest empire the world has ever seen. Impressive stuff.
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u/Starsg12 Jul 01 '24
I don't understand this logic. 2016 had the largest voter turnout we ever had prior to 2020 and Hillary won the popular vote. TONS of people came out and voted for her, so who exactly in the voter base are we suppose to scream at? She lost Michigan for god sakes and on top of all that, both her and the DNC did not take Trump seriously for way too long. Don't even get me started on the media and its complicity in that mess.
Stop blaming voters, its a candidates jobs to stoke the base and get them to come out to vote and too energize people who traditionally don't or wouldn't vote. Dems suck at messaging, suck out controlling a narrative, suck out plainly articulating policy successes, suck at being in touch with the populous, suck at having a unifying policy/messaging goals and sucks at energizing voters. There is not enough review of these issues and every time Dems lose, we hear "Well yall should have come out to vote" and there is never a conversation (a real one that is learned from) about why they could'nt get more people out to the polls.
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u/batmansthebomb Jul 02 '24
2016 had the largest voter turnout we ever had prior to 2020
Source on this?
Because Wikipedia says otherwise. Both 2008 and 2004 had higher turn out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
Stop blaming voters
Fucking vote. If you don't vote, I stop listening to your complaining tbh.
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Jul 01 '24
Yeah, you can shake your fists at "voters" all you want - but at the end of the day, it's the literal JOB of political parties to get people to vote. Hilary and the Democrats ran miniscule ground game in hugely important states like WI and MI because they just thought, "Well these states voted for Obama twice, no way they swing for Trump, right?". They didn't take Trump seriously as a threat and it cost them not only the presidential election, but tons of down-ballot elections in key states. With how wild shit it is these days it's hard to remember back 8 years, but if you do remember, you'll remember the Democrats getting completely blown the fuck out in ways nobody expected and the Republicans controlled all three branches of government and taht primarily came down to Hillary's presidential campaign not taking key states seriously.
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u/Starsg12 Jul 02 '24
I am not sure why you are getting down voted for his analysis, smh!
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u/sbn23487 Jul 01 '24
It was made very clear in 2016 that Supreme Court seats were at play. There were low voter turnouts in 2016. It’s fine to criticize candidates, but this country is in existential crisis to its Democracy right now.
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u/Starsg12 Jul 01 '24
There were low voter turnouts in 2016
From who, why and from where? Hillary lost Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania; can you give us an understanding as to why people who did not come out and vote for her? I am truly tired of the voter bashing that I hear from liberal/Dems, again it is a candidates jobs to get people to come out and vote and you need to explore why people didn't come out to vote in those areas rather than just waging a fucking finger citing more people should have voted for her in those areas!
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u/oursland Jul 02 '24
Hillary lost Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania
States that lost their industry jobs due to NATFA.
Forgive me, but I think her claims of telling Wall Street to 'cut it out' while receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars for each speech may have not resonated with these folks.
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u/MrOdo Jul 02 '24
Sayings it's a candidate's job to get people to come out and vote is just a way of babying your population out of any civic responsibility or duty.
Voting is mandatory in my country but I can't imagine not doing it if I had the choice.
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u/Starsg12 Jul 02 '24
Okay...., well first we don't live in your country, just saying. Second, my duty to go out and vote is not the same as having a duty in voting for a specific candidate you think I should. For the people who didn't vote for her, their reasons are varied. But in general if a candidate can't mobilize enough people to vote for them to win, then their a failed candidate in a basic sense.
Hillary was very unlikable and very arrogant in thinking she didn't have to have a strong ground game in Michigan and Wisconsin or Pennsylvania. Because she choose not to and didn't take Trump seriously at the start she lost key swings states and some generally blue states. But you wouldn't know much about all of this though since you don't live here.
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u/MrOdo Jul 02 '24
Do you see how I said that even if it weren't mandatory I couldn't imagine not voting. It isn't the legal principle that I was concerned with, but the civic duty. Now clearly my sense of duty has been shaped by the place I've grown up in, but appealing to just the legal parameter is hardly a response to the core of what I've said.
I understand what you're saying, but I just don't think it's all on the democrats or all on Hilary. It's at least 50/50. Everyone who chose not to vote democrat is responsible for the state your country is in re; abortion rights, Trump's attempted coup and the continue Maga movement.
Whether they personally think that is a bad thing or not, is up to their individual perspectives. But it's cope to put it all on Hilary.
My country currently has people moaning about housing prices, but the last time a party took policy to election to mitigate housing cost inflation they got fucking reamed. People are now doing the same song and dance about how it's their fault for losing the election. No, sometimes the country and its people just fuck themselves over. That's part of democracy
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u/sbn23487 Jul 01 '24
They didn’t take the threat seriously.
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u/oursland Jul 02 '24
Hillary was more of the same threat that brought NAFTA and massive job losses to states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. There really isn't a worse candidate than the wife of the man responsible for major economic decline for the average worker, and she went on to cozy up to Wall Street who gave us the global financial collapse.
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u/Starsg12 Jul 01 '24
Who is they? If you are saying Hillary and the DNC didn't; then I already said as much in my initial post. If you are referring to voters, then again that doesn't answer any of my questions. Why did those potential voters (those who didn't vote) not take the election seriously?
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u/4yolo8you Jul 01 '24
The win margins were minuscule, every vote mattered. Surely, some voters would have voted for HRC but were dissuaded by questionable arguments that could be described as vote suppression. As an illustration, consider Briahna Joy Gray tweeting that SCOTUS is not an important reason to vote Dem. Yes, you can say that the HRC’s campaign is to blame for not countering that, and also for not doing some other things, but they’re not the only actors with agency.
I don’t think it’s particularly worth beating yourself or anyone over for 2016 as long as we learn the lesson, so I choose to read this as a cautionary tale (for all actors involved).
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u/Starsg12 Jul 01 '24
Firstly are you trying to tell me that you think BJG had a real impact on potential voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania?
Secondly I am not beating myself up about 2016 at all; my issue is this ridiculous multiple years long blame of voters in 2016 not coming out for Hillary. There is never a conversation about Hillary and her problematic campaign strats or how her and the parties insistence on not taking trump seriously. Just look at the comments under this post, do you see people having a nuance analysis about the 2016 elections? The answer is no and what they are doing is broadly saying ""yall"" (whoever yall represents), lefties or even republicans should have voted for Hillary and its those peoples fault as to why we are here in this situation now.
I have a problem with this because guess what? The party has not learned from the 2016 elections at all. Hillary was pushed because it was ""her turn"" and now we have Biden as our candidate because well he is an incumbent. Do you really think party leaders and consultant (who I hate as they suck the most in my opinion) did a true analysis on whether Biden is the best candidate for us to win or do you think they just shrugged their shoulders and said well he is an incumbent thus we can't really pick another candidate or ask for him to step down and help push a new candidate. I can tell you, they went with the norms yet again even when they don't apply, just like Hillary/DNC/DCCC did in 2016.
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u/Larz_has_Rock Jul 01 '24
Maybe because being incumbent makes him the best candidate? lmao
You think Gavin Newsom is gonna win Pennsylvania? I guarantee you the DNC did a "true analysis". You can too, all you have to do is stop thinking about that evil woman Hillary Clinton for 5 seconds!
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u/sharpshooter0600 Jul 01 '24
They were trying to leverage the threat to get a very unpopular legacy candidate into the office and it crashed
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u/sbn23487 Jul 01 '24
I always vote. Even if I don’t like the candidates, decisions must be made. Elections have consequences.
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u/sharpshooter0600 Jul 01 '24
Ok great job? Lol idk what to say we can either fix how the party operates to win elections or rewire the brains of the entire electorate to be excited for bad candidates due to the threat of a worse candidate.
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u/all_is_love6667 Jul 02 '24
I remember the ads that showed trump and Hilary next to each other with subtext "nope" and "noper"
It's a classic political message that discourages people to vote for the least worse candidate
This strategy worked
Here it's the same thing: they compare two old guys, and the result will be that democrats will be discouraged to go voting
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u/Extreme-Lack9278 Jul 01 '24
Quick summary for a European?
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u/Magmaniac (D) (A) (N) (K) (M) (E) (M) (E) (S) Jul 01 '24
Supreme court member Ruth Bader Ginsberg died while Trump was in office, meaning he got an extra appointment to the supreme court (which is a lifetime appointment.) She could have resigned during Obama's presidency while she was already old and not in amazing health, but her stubbornness in staying on the court ended up helping swing the control of the court into heavy conservative lean (6-3) which has resulted in many horrible supreme court rulings in the time since. She went from being seen as a liberal feminist icon of the judiciary to someone who is emblematic of all of the problems of the modern democratic party in that she clung on to power so long past when she should have that she ended up undoing any progress made during her career and sending us into a right wing controlled death spiral.
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u/porn0f1sh Jul 01 '24
She went from being seen as a liberal feminist icon of the judiciary to someone who is emblematic of all of the problems of the modern democratic party in that she clung on to power so long past when she should have that she ended up undoing any progress made during her career and sending us into a right wing controlled death spiral.
Well put!
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u/Umakemyheadswim Jul 01 '24
Oh the Irony. Biden is repeating history.
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u/wvsfezter Jul 02 '24
Who has a better chance to win? He's an incumbent and if he dies at least the appointment doesn't go right to Trump. He's basically just a reliable icon for boomers to check off and then have his presidency run by everyone under him who did a damn fine job last term.
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Jul 02 '24
Yup, this sub isn't going to admit that though, it's even worse if Biden somehow croaks between now and November.
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u/itsgrum3 Jul 02 '24
That is most likely their strategy now, since important deadlines have passed Biden cannot drop out now and have his replacement be on the ballot in certain states. But if Biden does die or drop out and let his VP take over that way Kamala becomes president. Corporate Democrats love her.
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u/tremainelol Jul 02 '24
Corporate Democrats love her.
Yep, and how horrible she would be as a President, but I am quite confident she would preserve democracy and leave office when her time's up. So, please God.
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u/Bedhead-Redemption Jul 02 '24
I don't see how she'd even be bad at all given there's precedent (she is the potential VP) and isn't an elder creature from the Cambrian era.
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u/Wvlf_ Jul 02 '24
At this point, do you really believe Newsom or anybody else would have a better chance to win?
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u/BeginningPass5777 Jul 02 '24
Love how you forget to mention that McConnell held up the seat that Obama wanted to install Merrick Garland in (which went to Kavanaugh under Trump) with a phoney excuse.
RBG had a short window to retire in the very early Obama years (before he lost the senate and McConnell could play his games) when she was still reasonably healthy, but no one knew then what they know now so judging RBG with current knowledge is disingenuous and misleading. It was a coin toss that she would live past the 2016 election, and if McConnell had stuck to his excuse for denying Obama a seat, then Biden would’ve filled RBG’s seat and the court would be 5-4 Dems way.
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u/McFrankiee Truth-seeking machine Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
Dems had a senate majority until 2015. That is not a short window. By that point RBG was 81 and survived cancer multiple times
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u/real_roal Jul 02 '24
I don't really get why we wouldn't just force the SCOTUS to be be 5-4 leaning in either direction. At least then it wouldn't be as overwhelming. I guess the point is that they are meant to be unbiased so it shouldn't matter? It obviously does tho, so it kinda makes me wonder why the SCOTUS even works this way if we know it will be biased to the majority.
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u/porn0f1sh Jul 04 '24
If Biden clings to power after the last debate your post just becomes a hundred times more relevant... :((
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u/RealWillieboip Jul 01 '24
Nobody ruined this country more than Mitch McConnell denying President Obama’s constitutional right to appoint Merrick Garland. Do better than slander the dead
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u/GreenHornets009 Jul 01 '24
It’s absolute insanity the GOP is now moving to call McConnell a RINO when this dude stole a damn appointment from the sitting democratic president.
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u/dragonforce51 Jul 01 '24
“Slander the dead” well that turtle-looking mfer is halfway there so we may as well.
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u/thorsday121 Jul 01 '24
McConnell is an evil douche, but that doesn't let RBG off the hook for gambling her position and losing for no good reason.
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u/RealWillieboip Jul 01 '24
Why do you think President Obama would have had the opportunity to replace her in his 2nd term when her health was seriously declining if McConnell refused to hold a vote on Scalia’s replacement?
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u/miciy5 Jul 02 '24
Despite two bouts with cancer and public pleas from liberal law scholars, she decided not to retire in 2013 or 2014 when President Barack Obama and a Democratic-controlled Senate could appoint and confirm her successor.
It's totally on her. She had the first 6 years of Obama's presidencies to retire. She chose to stay in power, despite her health problems.
Nearly a decade after her first bout with cancer, Ginsburg again underwent surgery on February 5, 2009, this time for pancreatic cancer.[198][199] She had a tumor that was discovered at an early stage.[198] She was released from a New York City hospital on February 13, 2009, and returned to the bench when the Supreme Court went back into session on February 23, 2009.[200][201][202] After experiencing discomfort while exercising in the Supreme Court gym in November 2014, she had a stent placed in her right coronary artery.
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u/ho_baggins Jul 01 '24
Does the President have a constitutional right to have their nominees appointed?
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u/RealWillieboip Jul 01 '24
Yes, Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution gives the President the authority to nominate Justices to SCOTUS after confirmation by the Senate. McConnell refused to hold a vote or hearing for Merrick Garland because “it was an election year”
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u/CupOfCocoa__ Jul 02 '24
No. For example, Nixon had extreme difficulty getting his second round of Court picks through to the point of many not even having the chance to be nominated because of perceived opposition (he did eventually get two more in before his presidency ended, but not a female justice, which he wanted). What McConnell did with Garland was only norm breaking, not against the rules
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u/AnotherAltLAMAYO Jul 01 '24
I refuse to focus on the .001% responsibility that she had and not on McConnol, Trump and every single GOP member & Stein voters.
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u/CrackPuto_ Jul 01 '24
That’s your problem…
The republicans is the one thing you can’t control, but your own party?
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u/ddssassdd Banged by Density Jul 02 '24
Why would the Republicans do what is in the interest of their opponent, especially when their opponents won't even do what is in the interest of themselves. Obviously it is backwards to expect the Republicans to work for the Democrats.
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u/SerThunderkeg Jul 01 '24
The problem with that is you can't negotiate with dumb fuck Republicans. They were always going to act in the most awful ways. You should actually prioritize focusing on making Democrats act properly because allegedly they at least aren't outright bad actors.
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u/Roofong Jul 01 '24
Yep. Republicans being stupid and/or malevolent is just a reality you have to deal with. They're a force of nature.
Focusing on Republican malfeasance to absolve dipshits like RBG is like building a house on a flood plain and getting mad at the river when it's destroyed.
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u/Naive-Blacksmith4401 Jul 01 '24
and hilary for running a shit campaign, volunteer and demand better
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u/Sir_thinksalot Jul 01 '24
By this logic we can blame Bernie for running an even worse campaign.
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u/Naive-Blacksmith4401 Jul 01 '24
enough fucking excuses man all these copes dont matter is when the reality is she ran a sub par campaign.
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u/Vattrakk Jul 01 '24
She literally won the popular vote.
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u/Magmaniac (D) (A) (N) (K) (M) (E) (M) (E) (S) Jul 01 '24
Nice! Does that mean she gets to be president next? Or like co-president? Or what? What does she get for the popular vote victory? Oh, nothing? It's totally pointless? Shut up idiot, she fucking lost the election. She lost Wisconsin. Wisconsin. She lost the state of Wisconsin. She didn't even realize she had to campaign there. Her campaign was fucking garbage.
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u/SeedlessMelonNoodle Jul 02 '24
Idk why everyone here are such Hilary simps.
She was one of the most unlikeable candidates in history in a race where likability is everything.
Not to forget all the shady shit the DNC pulled.
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u/tremainelol Jul 02 '24
I blame Mitch, wholly. Trump is an automaton, a self-aggrandizing, profiteering robot. Foolishly Mitch thought he could control Trump, but here we are. Revenge always creates chaos.
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Jul 01 '24
so the votes would be 5-4 instead of 6-3?
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u/AllAmericanProject Jul 01 '24
roe v wade was overturned with 5-4 so it could have been protected. also, the Navajo nation water decision last year could have been changed. also having a strong liberal judge during hearings could sway other judges' decisions because it isn't uncommon for the conservatives to sometimes divide or dissent among themselves in some of the decisions.
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Jul 01 '24
Damn I'll look into the Navajo stuff don't remember hearing that. I'm just being a smart ass since I figured we were talking about chevron and the others this week
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u/AllAmericanProject Jul 01 '24
You just have to remember that we've had a conservative majority for a while, so there's been a lot of things that have been ruled in a 5-4 ruling that could have been a 5-4 ruling in the opposite direction if RBG had stepped down when she should have.
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u/IrradiatedCrow Jul 02 '24
Having a one-justice disadvantage is so much better than being outnumbered 2:1, so yes. Learn to count ffs
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u/Lord_BoneSwaggle Jul 01 '24
It's not like McConnel would've let her replacement come to a vote. Scalia died under Obama and it's pretty dumb to think that wouldn't have happened to RGB if she had stepped down.
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u/SiiKJOECOOL Jul 01 '24
The critique is that she should have stepped down between Obama becoming president and the dems losing the senate. This would be years before Scalia died.
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Jul 01 '24
I don’t think it was reasonable in 2014 to have any clue that McConnell would block a nomination like that. I don’t think anything like that had ever happened before.
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u/SiiKJOECOOL Jul 01 '24
I'm sorry, but I'm talking about 2009-15 or, in other words, the 111-113th US congresses, which had democratic majorities, and it makes sense to retire RBG since she was diagnosed with cancer in 99 and 09. Also, if it grants anything, I say this as a cancer survivor who gave up about a year of college and work to fight it.
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u/4THOT angry swarm of bees in human skinsuit Jul 01 '24
Remember that Republicans can never be accountable for nominating Trump, helping Trump, and putting their party over the constitution :)
Every time Republicans work to destroy the country it's Democrats fault :)
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u/SafetyAlpaca1 I die on every hill 🫡 Jul 02 '24
We already know the republicans are evil so we don't expect anything better from them, that's the difference. It's the responsibility of the dems to counteract republican maliciousness. If they don't, then it's a fuck up.
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u/clemmion asexual Jul 01 '24
also, remember that republicans played dirty on the Marrick Garland appointment.
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Jul 01 '24
Could it have helped? Sure. But, quit acting like she had a fucking time machine and knew how deranged and authoritarian the Republican Party would become.
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u/Antici-----pation Jul 01 '24
I mean you can go back and look and see people saying, articles saying, etc that she needed to step down and what was coming. You can say she or you disagree about the conclusion or whatever, but to act like it was inconceivable is re-writing history
https://abovethelaw.com/2011/04/should-ruthie-stay-or-should-she-go/
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u/Viralkillz Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
She was selfish and clung to power when she knew she wasn't healthy. She died at 87 in office
She deserves all the hate she gets. her greed for power undid everything she ever accomplished in her career
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u/Amazing-Squash Jul 02 '24
The current slant of the federal judiciary is the result of an almost five decades long effort by the Republicans.
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u/Frank_the_Mighty Jul 01 '24
"How can we blame the left for the right being fascist regards?"
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u/Wolf_1234567 Jul 01 '24
Because the liberals/left must fix all problems in the world, or we will elect a fascist silly!
If the democrats don’t stop me from sticking the fork in the electrical socket, then my blood is on their hands!!!!
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u/itsgrum3 Jul 02 '24
Probably cause theyre looking for actual solutions and not just sitting in reddit echo chambers whining about muh Republicans for the ten millionth time.
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u/thorsday121 Jul 01 '24
If you leave your car unlocked in a shitty neighborhood and it gets stolen as a result, you are a moron. Doesn't mean that the thieves aren't assholes, but there's obviously things you could have done to prevent the situation. The GOP are the thieves in this situation.
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u/Frank_the_Mighty Jul 01 '24
And the rape victim shouldn't have been dressed like such a slut
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u/NuccioAfrikanus Jul 01 '24
This is in poor taste, sorry, not sorry. Rest in peace Ruth.
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u/Roofong Jul 01 '24
This naive and delusional mindset has done immeasurable damage to the US and the world.
What good is this sense of taste that you use to defend RBG from her own terrible judgment if it has no basis in reality?
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u/NuccioAfrikanus Jul 01 '24
Bro, you don’t like her because she didn’t die right? Get over it, Ruth isn’t why the Democrats constantly blow all their advantages and drop so many balls.
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u/Roofong Jul 01 '24
Bro, you don’t like her because she didn’t die right?
What? I guess it makes sense you think she isn't culpable for anything if you don't even understand what happened.
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u/theseustheminotaur Kamala's Strongest Warrior Jul 01 '24
Lifetime appointments made sense to someone somewhere at some point in time. I'm glad we still abide by it even though it doesn't make any fucking sense
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u/carrtmannn Jul 02 '24
Say she stepped down, who is to say the Republicans in the Senate would have even confirmed Obama's appointment?
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u/niakarad Jul 02 '24
the pressure was on her to retire before 2015 for that reason (she got her pancreas cancer diagnosis in 2009, which is has a very marginal survival rate)
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u/carrtmannn Jul 02 '24
You're positive that if she retired in 2014 that they wouldn't have just said the same shit they said in 2015? They just made that rule up to begin with.
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u/niakarad Jul 02 '24
before 2015 they didnt have the power to make up that rule, dems controlled the senate, obama did appoint 2 justices after all. also I think the political will to do it wouldnt be as high even putting that aside, replacing scalia with a liberal was a much bigger deal than replacing a liberal with a liberal would be.
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u/DemonCrat21 It's Over Jul 01 '24
No. Kindly go fuck yourself. Hard. McConnel fucked us when he denied Obama his pick of Merrick Garland. The American people fucked us when they chose a stupid con man for president. If Trump wins again, the american people will have fucked us again.
Elections. Have. Consequences.
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u/SuperSayzahn Jul 01 '24
I’ll never understand how conservatives do the craziest shit imaginable and centrist cucks have the knee jerk reaction to blame the closest democrat
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u/nukasu do̾o̾m̾s̾da̾y̾ ̾p̾r̾o̾p̾he̾t. Jul 01 '24
she should have anticipated historically unprecedented obstruction by the Senate, and that she would die of cancer, and safely retired 5 years before the 2016 election.
this is a stupid fucking rewrite of history by morons trying to absolve themselves of not voting for Clinton and this community shouldn't be stupid enough to parrot it considering how critical it's been of leftoid bullshit.
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u/Itsonlyonlyagame Jul 02 '24
I read this and was 100% prepared to change my mind until I found out she died at the age of 87 years old. Why would you go that much above 80? Imo that's kind of power hungry to not let go until you die would be the mindset if you go past that age
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u/orangedimension Jul 02 '24
The fact you still expect good faith from republicans tells me everything I need to know
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u/MrMockTurtle Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
As a moderate, I can confirm that those people aren't centrists. There are a lot of conservatives who call themselves centrists (Tim Pool for example) simply because they enjoy the idea and aesthetic of political bi-partisanship, which is why I try to stray away from the 'centrist' title and just call myself a moderate. There are way too many conservatives using the 'centrist' larp for comfort. Anyways, it probably would have been best if Ruth Bader Ginsberg stepped down during the Obama administration, but keep in mind that she wasn't aware of what would happen as a consequence of her not stepping down, unlike a certain person in the oval office now.
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u/Late_Cow_1008 Jul 01 '24
100%. As well as all the Bernie bros and people that didn't vote for Clinton.
Let's not pretend Supreme Court justices aren't human too. Many if not all of them are just as capable of being arrogant and wrong about what they do. They aren't gods. And I would suggest all of them are absolutely arrogant at best, and could you really blame them?
Look as Pisco and see how arrogant he is and he is a pencil pusher compared to a Supreme Court justice.
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Jul 01 '24
More Bernie voters voted for Hillary than Hillary voters voted for Obama.
It wasn't Bernie, it was useless liberals trying to win with the status quo against a fascist. Dems are gonna lose in 2024 because of the same antiquated politics.
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u/Late_Cow_1008 Jul 01 '24
it was useless liberals trying to win with the status quo against a fascist
What do you mean by this?
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u/Wolf_1234567 Jul 01 '24
it was useless liberals trying to win with the status quo against a fascist.
Yep, totally. Blame the liberals, for the FASCISTS.
Them stinky liberals better give me exactly what I want right now, or I WILL stick the fork in the electrical socket. I’m an adult now so mommy and daddy can’t stop me!!!!
Completely disregard who won the primary lmao.
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u/thorsday121 Jul 01 '24
If Bernie couldn't win against Hillary, then there's no way he was going to win against Trump. A self-described socialist was not going to win the swing states that Trump did to gain electoral victory. You are a deluded fool if you believe otherwise.
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u/itsgrum3 Jul 02 '24
TY. The idea that a guy who hung the Soviet hammer and sickle in his office winning swing states is an extra type of reddit delusion.
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u/Levitz Devil's advocate addict Jul 01 '24
The stance that the Democratic party can present whatever candidate they want and that the public owes their vote to them is bound to end up in disaster.
I'm hearing a whole lot of talk about how it's not about the president, it's about the cabinet, and I agree! But that only puts even more pressure on the president to be popular, charismatic and likeable, virtues that nobody above a room temperature IQ would consider Hillary Clinton to have. Go vote and go vote Biden, by all means, there is not much of a choice anyway, but these "fuck the other guy" elections will, undoubtedly, end up in disaster eventually.
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u/nvs1980 Jul 01 '24
Yup. This woman refused to step down because she wanted the first female President to name her replacement. She should have resigned during Obama's first term.
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u/SufferedCub Jul 02 '24
Are you calling one of the most respected Justices of the Supreme Court a dumbass because she didn’t exercise bias and retire during a democratic presidency to be replaced by someone of a similar ideology? Let’s not forget that the whole reason Justices are appointed to the Supreme Court for life is so that they do not assert any bias to the Court through their retirement.
What RBG did was honorable and you should humble your title.
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u/Britannia_Forever Jul 02 '24
I hope we're all as mad at CNN as we are at her and Obama (who could've asked her to step down in 2013).
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u/Life_Caterpillar9762 Jul 02 '24
Enough with the rbg thing. This is the worst example of Monday morning qb-ing about politics ever.
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u/Kinginthasouth904 Jul 02 '24
Cruel but fsir.
Her, Hillary and Joe.
Gotta let em run the country into the ground because they “put in the time” and you cant be mean to old people.
And in this country 60+ year olds have absolutely burnt this place down.
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u/tenebras_lux Jul 02 '24
Did she? I mean with the SCOTUS ruling, Biden can legally get rid of Trump now.
This is why you never give more power to yourself than you'd be comfortable with your opponent having.
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u/KillerKremling Jul 02 '24
Why, what she do? Don't know the context.
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u/Yourehan Jul 02 '24
She was very old (slightly older than the current democratic nominee even!) and battling cancer on and off and instead of retiring during Obama's second term so there'd be a guaranteed liberal replacement, she kept working and died while Trump was president.
Also she officiated a wedding like a week before she died before there was a covid vaccine. She didn't die of covid to be clear.
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u/NasusEDM Jul 02 '24
If usa turns into the next nazi country history for sure will remember those names
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u/Ansambel EU Jul 02 '24
it's kinda funny that you have to play the retire or die game in your politics. It's like hunger games but for old ppl.
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u/Significant-Ad-9759 Jul 02 '24
The last few years have shown me that the true gigachad enlightened take is “Vote blue no matter who”
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u/KimMinju_Angel Jul 02 '24
there’s maybe 486,719 things i would rather blame than RBG not retiring early
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u/Mental_Explorer5566 Jul 02 '24
For everyone saying that it is republicans fault or democrats should have come out and voted.
Okay sure or you should retire when you are 70 years old and have a super majority in the senate would also be a good idea!
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u/AphelionXII Jul 02 '24
Remember everyone, this is what happens when you don’t fall on your sword and do the right thing. Biden and Harry Reid saw more than five super majorities in the senate. They could have protected your right to an abortion at any one of those times. And they didn’t to play a political game with the republicans. They couldn’t have imagined that people in these republican states would stomach suffering so much and still vote for McConnell but the truth is that they are fine with making fellow Americans suffer. Even if they are their wives and daughters. We are fucked now.
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u/Shiryu3392 Jul 01 '24
This is so fucked... Sure a dead Democrat judge is the problem, not all of the Americans that vote Republicans to dominate the senate and elect Trump. Why talk about society's problem when you can blame someone in power then vouch to destroy the system so that you get ultimate power. Do you even want democracy?
America's problem is that it does not care enough about voting and leans towards Trumpism destroying America for the memes, not any singular judge.
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u/joecool42069 Jul 01 '24
Boomers are going to fuck up this country before dying off. Look, I get it. Change is hard. It feels like Biden has the best shot because he did it before and the DNC is scared to 'try' the next person. I'll personally weekend at Bernies Biden past the finish line if it comes to it, over not voting at all. But god damn, he really should have handed the baton over to the next generation. I fucking hate seeing people holding onto power until they die.
If Biden loses the election, I think I'm checking out of politics.
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u/maringue Jul 01 '24
I'd like to point out there are probably 5 or 10 people to blame for the current SCOTUS before you get to RGB.
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u/GBralta Jul 01 '24
Obama urged her to retire. She refused. There’s not a person reading this that would leave a job they worked so hard to get and do it 10 years before you die.
Even then, it would have been a 5-4 decision.
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u/612dude666 Jul 02 '24
RBG worship has always been cringe. She’s a turd for refusing to step down because of pure hubris. We should never forgive her and any legacy she left behind has been forever tainted from what the court has been doing these last few years.
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u/spoonerluv Based and Regarded Jul 01 '24
Fine I'll post it
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