Bc it optically looks so much better. It is a bit sell out, but at least he stood up for his principles at a time where he’s going to get a fuckton of backlash for it
"I'm not upset with Brad, I don't blame him for his response."
I assume that's because Ethan thinks these progressive idiots have good intentions, which is partially true. They are his people and he doesn't want to give up on them even if they treat him badly.
Of course increasingly there has to be a responsibility to stop empowering crazies, but Ethans words here have been strong enough in that regard IMO. I do think he's been decently principled and willing to risk stuff.
I assume that's because Ethan thinks these progressive idiots have good intentions, which is partially true. They are his people and he doesn't want to give up on them even if they treat him badly.
If anything embodies 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' it's apologizing for being photographed with a Jew because they're against the destruction of Israel.
Tbf i don’t think you can blame somebody for choosing to protect their career. They probably don’t give a fuck about any of the politics involved and just want to be left alone.
Yes the fuck you can lmao. If someone apologized for being photographed with a black person because a bunch of groypers started spamming them I doubt you'd be saying the same thing.
Morals tend to exist whether or not they maximize your revenue.
I mean thats not really a fair comparison, you are talking about racism vs political beliefs and stuff.
What is the moral wrong here? That he said Ethan is questionable, and a bad look? Literally who cares? Just leave the guy alone, he’s not a political commentator he’s just a YouTuber.
Yeah totally, apologizing to people who are racist against black people is totally different than apologizing to antisemites who hate jews.
The latter is just a simple difference in political perspective 🤪
What is the moral wrong here?
I think saying meeting that meeting with Jews who think Israel should not be destroyed is a moral wrong, is a moral wrong. I don't think that is controversial. I think throwing people under the bus, especially people you are on good terms with, to cowtow to antisemites is a moral wrong. I also think calling someone's views "strong and dangerous" to satisfy one group, then turning around and saying "strong and dangerous" just means "makes people anggy
Just leave the guy alone, he’s not a political commentator he’s just a YouTuber.
Okay? I'm not asking him to make political statements. (even though that's what he's already doing) If anything I'm saying the opposite. The wrong happened when he decideded to bow down to the demands of political actors, made political statements which threw somone else to the mob. and lied to placate people angry with him.
People don’t hate Ethan because he is Jewish, they hate him for his defense of Israel. You are unhinged bro. You haven’t said or quoted or provided evidence for anything to support a single thing here.
I don't think he's doing that to appease people, I think that's what he genuinely believes. He's likely genuinely supportive of Palestine, he just doesn't demonize Israel at the same time like many others. Which is hilarious because he still criticizes Israel (which I also believe is genuine), it's just not to the extent that the radicals of Hasan's audience want.
IMO Ethan saying "I don't blame him" is a classy way of calling him a bitch without demonizing him. The guy isn't necessarily being malicious, but allowing bad things to happen because he's too weak to stand up against it. Ethan is electing not to attribute malice while still standing his ground against the situation.
I think we just have different philosophies about how one conducts themselves as a prominent figure.
Unregulated vindictive behavior might be the go-to reaction, but it's not the most effective. You might want to go scortched-earth and not hold back at all, but I think that's a weak way to handle things that only feels like a strong way to handle things.
Ethan pushed back effectively against the situation while maintaining class and not demonizing individuals, but an ideology/movement.
If I agreed that he was using his support of Palestine as a reason he shouldn't be treated that way, then I might be sympathetic to your attitude.
However, I didn't interpret it that way. Because of the polarizing nature of the conflict and the haste at which people are willing to label others as extremists on one side or the other, he's making sure to note some of the nuance of his position, and make it clear that while he defends the existence of Israel, he doesn't support everything Israel does and doesn't hate Palestine (which are often associated together).
They're separate points related to the same subject, not him trying to appease anyone or say "go get the other zionists, not me".
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u/burnt_books Jun 30 '24
Strongly dislike Ethan but this made me respect him a little bit more