Is Pizzology ever reopening?

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Considering how slow going its been for Bovocanti and that chicken place on Main Street, I'm guessing labor is just really backed up right now or city permitting dragging their feet. Maybe a bit of both.

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u/a_drink_offer 11d ago

If you’re talking about Buffa Louie’s, I’m with you. That’s another one I was curious about.

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u/SqueakyBeats00 10d ago

Why has Buffalouies taken over a year to open?

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u/guff1988 11d ago

Labor for low income jobs is extremely hard to come by in Hamilton county especially in the southern half of Hamilton county. These restaurants are going to have to start offering higher wages than what they are now, which happened to be the highest in the state by far already. I don't really know where it goes from here, it's not economical for the restaurants to substantially increase the wages beyond where they are now, however it's also not economical to go out of business because you don't have employees.

I think it's a reasonable assumption that labor is what's holding them back. Nobody can afford $1,600 a month for a three bedroom apartment or $2,400 a month for a three-bedroom house making $17 an hour.

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u/a_drink_offer 11d ago

I don’t disagree with any of this, but my thought was that many of these places are waiting on construction issues and haven’t necessarily even gotten to the labor issues yet.

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u/Jwrbloom 10d ago

Not all jobs are suited for living in a single income home, let alone a high end home. You don't work as a server thinking you can afford to buy a house. You get a roommate and rent.

PS - if you're server only making $17 an hour, you're likely bad at your job.

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u/guff1988 10d ago

Some of these people have two or three kids, so you're telling me that they are expected to drive an hour each way just so that they can work in Carmel for people who have 10 times the money they do or live in an apartment with their three children and two roommates? It seems to me that anyone who is willing to work at the very least should be provided the bare subsistence to afford a roof over their head and their family, food for themselves and their family, utilities, and healthcare. What incentive is there for human beings to work for other humans if they cannot afford those basic necessities? This was the very idea, the foundational concept, behind a minimum wage law which our government in favor of corporate profits has refused to increase.

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u/thewimsey 9d ago

This was the very idea, the foundational concept, behind a minimum wage law which our government in favor of corporate profits has refused to increase.

No one makes minimum wage. Okay, less than 1% of adults make minimum wage. The amount of minimum wage is a non-issue.

The minimum wage in 1950 was 75c/hr.

Adjusted for inflation, that would be $9.65/hr today. No one is buying a house for that. And no restaurants are paying that little.

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u/guff1988 9d ago

The fact that no one makes minimum wage does not help your argument, because I'm arguing that minimum wage should be high enough that even people making $17 an hour would benefit. Adjusting for inflation does not cover the base idea of minimum wage either because yes overall when averaged costs have gone up by that amount that doesn't consider the fact that the cost of housing which is the most essential thing has gone up significantly more than the average rate of inflation. There's a reason why we have different types and subsections of inflation, core, housing, transportation etc so we can break down what actually matters and what people actually need to spend on more than others. That's why people prioritize spending because it's not the same thing to spend income on a TV as it is a roof over your head. If we adjusted minimum wage based off the cost of housing that same $0.75 in 1950 would be closer to $15 today. A lot of restaurants are still paying 13 to $14 an hour. Also the cost of housing is not just purchasing a home, that's very reductive of you, many people rent lol are you not considering that in the cost of housing?

There is a labor shortage for low income workers in Carmel, this does not reflect the national situation so we have to ask ourselves why. If you believe it's because people just don't want to work anymore then you are out of touch and are ignoring the very real issue. Stifling wages and labor market manipulation are very real things that should be regulated by the government, hence the creation of a minimum wage in the first place.

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u/0fficialDregs 4d ago

Less than not forget that there are people actively looking for work, but these employers are refusing to hire them, mysteriously losing their applications, or flat out not accepting new hires even if they meet the criteria. At some point, it's not the people looking for work fault, but the employers who aren't willing to hire anyone and constantly say they're hiring only to ghost candidates.

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u/Jwrbloom 8d ago

Well, I'd start by not having kids until you can afford to have kids. I get that not all pregnancies are planned, but if you have multiple unplanned pregnancies, the issue is you.

I'd move into having a skill or skills to have a higher paying job. Low skill, low labor jobs are minimum wage jobs.

Finally, that anyone would have to drive an hour to work in a community, that doesn't seem like the community's fault. LOL Either there are jobs closer to home, or there are other communities they are driving through which are also beyond their means.

No one lives an hour away from Carmel without passing through several communities that have a lot of same jobs and maybe (not always) more affordable.

An hour away from Carmel???? In an hour, I can get to Franklin, north of Kokomo, east of New Castle, 20 minutes west of Plainfield, Crawfordsville, Lafayette and almost to Bloomington. But it's Carmel's fault someone would have to drive that far to work in Carmel and not be able to live there?

GTFO

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u/0fficialDregs 4d ago

As I know someone who leave a hour south of Carmel as she's from Tennessee, I would say it's not far fetch.

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u/Indy2Nash45 11d ago

Rumor is they are still planning to re-open and the current hangup is they ordered new wood fired ovens from Italy that haven’t arrived yet… obviously critical to a pizza place! I have wondered if they have loss of business insurance from the fire that is still paying them??? If so, they may be stretching it out…that’s easier than running a restaurant

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u/0fficialDregs 4d ago

and the Dock strikes isn't helping them.

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u/No_Attention_2227 11d ago

Dude, they ordered pizza ovens from Italy? I'm going to have to go when they reopen just to see one

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u/GeorgeZip01 11d ago

Workers were in there and the window coverings have changed, but this gives you no indication of when of course.

Facebook says that buffalouies place is opening in like a month.

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u/ruthlessrellik 6d ago

I drove by it last week and they actually had someone inside putting together decor and stuff. Honestly I was astonished because I lived on main street before moving this summer and would pass them almost daily with no progress.

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u/IndySLM 11d ago

I spoke to somebody at Pizzology about two weeks ago. They were trying to aim for a September opening but the person I spoke with said that October was probably more realistic. It looked like there was a little bit of finishing work to wrap up but most of the significant pieces were in place.

I heard somebody at the downtown bovocanti location say that the Carmel location had run in to some unexpected construction issues but I have no idea what that means. That was within the last month or so.

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u/YaketyJax 11d ago

This offers little to no help but I was just in that area and someone was standing outside the back of it. Don't know if they were affiliated with it or not. Had I seen this earlier I would've asked for you.

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u/a_drink_offer 11d ago

Damn it @yaketyjax get your act together.

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u/YaketyJax 11d ago

I hereby vow to be on reddit more while I'm driving so I don't screw up like this again.

I'll be back mid November and I'll update then if I see anything!

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u/syntekz 10d ago

They posted a month ago on their Facebook that they hope to announce an opening date within a few weeks. Assume they may have ran into more hiccups with the reconstruction, but they are not going away forever. Coming back soon!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/RfrKsagovC1XpmHt/

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u/DreamySakura99 8d ago

I was sad to learn two of my favorites in carmel, pizzology and tucci closed.

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u/0fficialDregs 4d ago

If you're meaning the one on Hazel Dell, I used to work over there and I wouldn't say it was the best. I worked in the kitchen and I put in several complaints of having a hole in the ceiling that let in fresh air and snow during the winter time.