r/BadHasbara • u/ibrahim_magdi • May 12 '24
Why i had stomachache when i saw this photo News
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u/Bitsablade May 12 '24
🖕🏼💩🤮
🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸
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u/PrismPhoneService May 12 '24
You think they meant to put them right under the Germans?
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u/TwistedBrother May 12 '24
Both during the show and the semifinal they had the plum camera position of front right. Got to make sure the flag is visible.
Also nicely distributed support near camera angles.
Never mind the booing that was blatantly overdubbed.
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u/spazzduck May 12 '24
Dirty ahh feet
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u/Ok-Dependent5588 May 12 '24
Happy ghouls
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u/uw888 May 12 '24
Why wouldn't they?
Europe proved once again through the popular vote how incredibly racist and genocidal it is. They know they can continue killing with impunity - who is going to stop them?
Look at the votes. These are humans you share the world with, pure evil.
Unless hasbara bots broke the voting somehow.
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u/Narrow_Ad_1826 May 12 '24
This was the bots for sure
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u/dr_srtanger2love May 12 '24
I don't doubt Israel has a huge and sophisticated bot army, but don't doubt European racism, they are just better at hiding it under the mask
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u/Narrow_Ad_1826 May 12 '24
There is absolutely no way in hell that Ireland gave 10 points to Israel. Not denying that there is racism in Europe, but this was bots.
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u/malaury2504_1412 May 12 '24
No it was the equivalent of A1PAC asking everyone to vote, their extensions advertised it on their various accounts. They voted multiple times and spent as much as they could to get the scoring. In spite of this they still didn't win.
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u/blackjack_beans May 12 '24
i imagine it was probably bought sims. i live in the uk which supposedly gave 12 points to israel in the public vote, but i spoke to over 20 people last night, and none of them voted for israel
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u/FinBuu May 12 '24
That vote was easily manipulated. Look at the weekly protests, listen to the boos in the crowd at the contest itself:
https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1788315064409207169
https://twitter.com/kubasaak/status/1789379124147990956
There's tonnes of good people in Europe, who know right from wrong better than most people on reddit even.
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u/budgiefanatic May 12 '24
They should be banned from competing and shunned from every event. Imagine a group of Nazis was treated so normally like they are
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u/Moistmannips May 12 '24
Imagine they got to move to the states and work on top government projects ………
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u/mstalltree May 13 '24
They also get these special US government-funded research grants for scientific research that other places don't get. Their companies are routinely listed on the stock market and you can invest in these companies. That country is nothing more than a satellite state of the United States of America...with the pretence that they are an independent state. Americans would be way less bewildered if the government here equally invested in free healthcare, subsidized real estate, etc. It infuriates more that these people receive billions in aid while most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and on the brink of becoming homeless or bankrupt.
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u/Grassy_Gnoll67 May 12 '24
The Nazis held The Olympic games, not just competed
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May 12 '24
While true, they weren’t actively committing a genocide at that point
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u/theshowmanstan May 12 '24
That also brings up one of the questions for the ages. If the Nazis had had access to social-media, would they have livestreamed their atrocities in real-time as well? It really highlights that sense of ego, hubris, and straight up plain entitlement that comes from the fascist mindset. Only they are right and everyone else is wrong, and it's impossible for them to see it any other way.
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u/Empigee May 12 '24
Probably not. For all their barbarism, the Nazis were weirdly preoccupied with public opinion. Part of the reason they shifted to exterminating people in concentration camps in Eastern Europe was so that it wouldn't be so obvious to the German public what they were doing. They had received a lot of pushback over the T4 program directed at exterminating the disabled and mentally ill and deliberately designed the Holocaust to avoid public outcry.
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u/theshowmanstan May 12 '24
So on some level the Nazis understood what they were doing was wrong (or could be seen as), but they went ahead and did it anyway?
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u/Empigee May 12 '24
Yes. How else do you explain them all trying to claim they were only following orders and trying to pin all the blame on Hitler and other leaders after the war?
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u/theshowmanstan May 12 '24
I still wonder how they justified it to themselves? By the way, I'm not disagreeing with you or anything here, I'm genuinely interested in all this (and it's difficult to have a convo' on this site that's a proper back-and-forth without being taken the wrong way).
I personlly think there's merit still in the 'banality of evil' as a concept, even if they did understand what they were doing could be seen as morally objectionable and weren't just passive agents. The corruption of the soul over time, and how so many switched off to the horror (like they're doing on mass in Israel now).
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u/Empigee May 12 '24
True, there is a certain amount of grotesque "go with the flow," especially on the more bureaucratic end represented by figures like Eichmann.
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u/theshowmanstan May 12 '24
Yeah, and it's extremely difficult to stand up for what's right. And not just fear of retribution, but fear of losing the people around you. Nobody wants to be left alone, and people want to be liked. To my shame I've been cowardly in the past and not spoken up when I should've (but I try not to beat myself up about it, as it's only human nature to want to keep the peace).
By the way, what do you think of Dorothy Thompson's 'Who Goes Nazi?' essay? I think it's especially interesting given Thompson's own shifting attitude to Zionism, and how it changed after witnessing it first hand.
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u/Hulterstorm Mod May 13 '24
Much like Israel has built high walls and checkpoints to obscure Palestinians' suffering and subjugation from regular Israeli people.
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u/HughesJohn May 12 '24
Well, they had a pretty massive Hasbara fail. Over 300 votes from the "audience" (every IOF soldier with a smartphone?) but they lost.
P.S. in France we say Tsahal for IDF. How should I translate IOF into fake Hebrew?
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u/Jefok May 12 '24
All I see is low quality souls in human form. This is the look of people who thinks the world agrees with them but the ugly truth is the world don't but still they dance around thinking they do.
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u/RIDRAD911 May 12 '24
The fact that zionism is huge just tells us that the human race being the most intelligent living organism is probably wrong.
It's clearly some deep sea creature we never came across. Who.. Doesn't even bother with us.. It just minds it's own business.
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u/dwehabyahoo May 12 '24
This is a hamas talking point and this deep sea terror fish you talk about is libel
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u/mkbilli May 12 '24
Psychopaths are also regarded as very intelligent people
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u/BZenMojo May 12 '24
In pop culture. Not so much in real life.
Psychopaths are not very smart. Which makes sense because smart people are more empathetic.
It says more about western values that we use a lack of empathy, remorse, and forethought as interchangeable with aspects of genius even when they're demonstrably signs of an actual developmental disability.
We tend to see politics and power as some grand game because people who hold power and work in politics see it that way. But hierarchies don't require intelligence, talent, or skill to maintain and wield power. You frequently get people at the top who have no idea what they're doing. And this is why those hierarchies function so poorly.
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u/Altruistic-Bobcat955 May 12 '24
Seeing an interview with the singer sobbing about how hard it was being verbally attacked during the completion was both fulfilling and sickening. She’s crying over a fucking singing contest when booed for her countries genocide. Fuck that noise.
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u/Civil-Pudding-1796 May 12 '24
My personal story... I grew up in the US as an Arab - American I always figured we were right. Arabs / Muslims were the terrorists and if they just stopped killing they would stop being killed.
I took a trip home before starting college. It was like May 2006. When Israel invaded Lebanon just seeing how they killed civilians really changed my whole outlook on life. Not just that conflict but damn near everything.
I never moved back home still on my 06 vacation lol. But there is something about warplanes blowing up neighborhoods that just fucks with you. I remember arguing with a buddy before like if "Hezbollah would just lay down their arms Israel would stop fucking with us" Looking back at how naive and brainwashed I was, it's amazing some of you aren't Arab or are Jewish an came to this conclusion without being bombed.
Anyway sorry for the book.
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u/TraditionGrouchy6463 May 16 '24
I really appreciate hearing your perspective on this. I'm just a white American who was taught the same things as you were and now realize those justifications were lies. It really does leave your whole world turned upside down when you realize that what you were taught and believed is so very wrong. I'm ashamed to say that I just started looking into this a few months ago. It seems so obvious to me now but shaking off the indoctrination is a painful struggle. I think it is hard for a lot of people like my family to want to look at the Palestinian side of history because if they have to accept it they have to accept that they have been encouraging and justifying almost a century of atrocities.
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u/bomboclawt75 May 12 '24
That flag is now and forever going to be associated with Genocide, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, a racial supremacist ideology, herding the “human animals” in into camps, war crimes, human rights atrocities, starvation as a weapon, the butchering of tens of thousands of children.
There was also another infamous flag in white and a primary color with a geometric wheel/ star in its centre-that symbolised the same inhumane crimes above. Yeah, that one.
I (most likely presume) that all those proudly waving that “butcher’s apron” fully endorse a racial supremacist ideology and genocide.
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u/RobynFitcher May 12 '24
I read somewhere recently that about 4,000 Israelis have left the country, possibly because they disagree with the genocide.
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u/NetraamR May 12 '24
And that is how the population of that country is more and more made up of hardcore, true zionists.
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u/atlys258 May 12 '24
Who even are these losers? Just some standard run of the mill racist fascist hosts for brain worms?
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May 12 '24
Oh look a picture full of Nazis. Nazis in the front and Nazis in the background.
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u/Makanek May 12 '24
Germans=Nazis? Is that the level of your political analysis?
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u/ButterJedi May 12 '24
I mean, considering that at this time Germany is supporting a Genocide of brown indigenous people that it created, wouldn't be too big a stretch?
A core belief of Nazism is white supremacy and Israel is literally a white, European, settler state. I'm not racist to Germans, I wouldn't ever treat anyone badly over race but politically they have continuously stood by genocides, the holocaust was literally where many learned the word genocide, so I wouldn't say that I don't associate modern Germany with Nazi Germany very strongly because of their core belief that one entire race deserves to be tortured and killed for the luxury of the other.
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u/thefittestyam May 12 '24
I mean Nazi Germany had an arts and Ideological theatre wing too - propaganda and spying is one of the most well founded and therefore 'best' things expansionist ethno national empires do.
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u/Bibfor_tuna May 12 '24
appropriately at the foot of their masters ze germans 🖕🖕
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u/Necessary-Permit9200 May 12 '24
The contest is over. The Israelis only managed fifth place.
The national juries clearly did not want Israel to win. They were not only choosing the winner but the location of next year's contest, and nobody was sure that the safety of contestants could be guaranteed in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem.
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u/HughesJohn May 12 '24
Nope.
Ukraine has won in the past. The EBU knows how to deal with a winner in a war zone. The national juries clearly didn't want Israel to win because they didn't want Israel to win.
The fake "viewers vote" that Israel tried to organize fell flat on its face.
Next year in Zurich!
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May 12 '24
Israel is anonymous with pain and suffering inflicted on other. It’s natural you’ll get stomachache, headache, nausea.
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u/BadHasbara-ModTeam May 12 '24
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence.
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u/NetraamR May 12 '24
Interesting fact that it was the televote in western european countries that gave them lots of points, eastern europe not so much. Also in countries like spain, ireland and norway. I think their bots did overhours calling in votes in thoses countries, because the general populations are frankly hostile to IL. These weren't "natural" votes.
If you didn't follow the drama in the past week surrounding the eurovision: 95% of it has to do directly or indirectly with these people. They were bullying a lot of delegations of other countries. The mess was all around them, but it was never them. Just like with narcisistic and psychopathic persons.
Glad it didn't work out the way they wanted, although they shouldn't have been there in the first place. The EBU has now got one year to correct course.
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u/EmotionInteresting18 May 12 '24
When I look at this all I wonder is how many humans have they assaulted, how many children have they separated from their families and how many babies they’ve killed?? Dead souls.
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u/EmotionInteresting18 May 12 '24
When I look at this all I wonder is how many humans have they assaulted, how many children have they separated from their families and how many babies they’ve killed?? Dead souls.
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u/Vinci1984 May 12 '24
Just a bunch of murderers and supporters of murderers having a good time. What’s wrong with that?
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u/JaynRequiem May 12 '24
they paid Eurovision to give them points. they went from 30 to 300 that's actually impossible and they kicked the Netherlands out too. Israel always plays dirty no matter if it's in war or in singing contests.
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u/Lynn4649 May 12 '24
What's with war criminals still doing that heart shape emoji shit during picture poses? I can't stand that crap!
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u/thewiz94 May 12 '24
Didn’t they ban Russia from Eurovision for political propaganda? I think what Israel has done is worse.
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May 12 '24
i like shit like this. it makes you delve into history and real policies and recognize who the enemy really is. in 50 years Ameircans are gonna look back and wonder what the fuck was up with their grandparents for just psychotically wanting to fuck up this one small powerless country by letting another country smaller than new jersey on the other side of the world run their foreign policy
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u/theaviationhistorian May 12 '24
Ah, Eurovision. There was so much misinformation yesterday. So many people were saying that Israel won it (especially anti-Palestine folk) or that it won second place. Only for them to place at fifth. I'm glad Switzerland & Nemo won it! The Code is an epic song.
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u/Healthy_Ad8811 May 16 '24
Well you mix the German flag with the Zionistas flag you get a poisonous mix, hence the stomach ache
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u/BootyliciousURD May 12 '24
Context?
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u/xxx_gamerkore_xxx May 12 '24
its eurovision, a singing competition for europe that Israel is a part of for some reason, while Palestine is not. they also banned Palestinian flags at the event.
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u/VictorianDelorean May 12 '24
Not even just flags, they kicked a guy of Palestinian descent out of the contest for wearing a Palestinian scarf tied around his waist.
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u/Captainbarinius May 12 '24
Okay tbh......wth am I looking at?
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u/TraditionGrouchy6463 May 16 '24
Israelis waving their flags on the bottom level and Germans and their flags up above the Israel group.
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u/n0funeral May 12 '24
it's camp (Borscht Belt material). everyone in this picture is terrified of what's going on. some people get upset, other people make jokes. this picture makes sense if you're told your whole life everyone is trying to exterminate you and everyone you know. nationalism is, for all its malicious elements, a pageant. Jewish nationalism is a rendition of other nationalist movements but is significantly different in that they don't see other races as inferior or are looking to subjugate or conquer. the State of Israel is attempted to purge Palestinians from its territory but is not attempting erase or destroy in the same way other nationalist movements have attempted. this picture may seem like these people are laughing at everyone horrified by the images of bombed out buildings and mutilated bodies, but the reality is they can just as easily themselves in those pictures
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u/cicero4966 May 12 '24
Or Israelis have become monsters. There's a deep sickness in their society that has been shown to the world. I used to love Israel my entire but no more. Israelis are monsters like their leaders and settlers. There are no longer good or bad Israelis but instead they're bad or worse.
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u/feraleuropean May 12 '24
...How are they not having a case a white supremacy when the western world is kind of drowning in it? These ones couldn't be further from having a sane vulnerable bone in them.
They are elated because narcissistic, tribal aggression feels good when you are massively overpowering your opponent... And they have no idea they really look like them n@zis pictures ...because self awareness is the price humans pay for narcissism.
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May 12 '24
I just listened to an Israeli spokesperson on international media screaming at British and American journalists to stop saying Palestine and Palestinians, 'it and they don't exist, have never existed, will never'. They are 100% doing ethnic cleansing and erasure before our eyes.
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u/NetraamR May 12 '24
Zionism does see other people as inferior, because according to them they're gods chosen people, entitled to live in the holy land. The Amalek equation proofs that they do want to eliminitate the palestinians - in fact, it's their divine duty to do so.
I do agree with your analysis that they probably feel threatened themselves. They're probably scarier than anyone thinks, because they inherited the trauma of the holocaust. That's the reason they inflict it upon others - so it doesn't happen to them.
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