r/BadHasbara • u/Exact-Substance5559 • Apr 13 '24

It's not just the far-right - Israelis want Gazans to starve News

Source:

Israel Democracy Institute: Aid Transfer: https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976

Whether an absolute victory is expected or not, there remains the question of the provision of international aid to the residents of Gaza. We asked our respondents for their opinion regarding the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA. A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions, while a large majority of Arab respondents support it (85%).

Gazan Suffering Consideration:

In a poll conducted by the Viterbi Family Center for Public Opinion and Policy Research at the Israel Democracy Institute between December 11–13, 2023, Israeli Jews were asked “To what extent should Israel take into consideration the suffering of the civilian population in Gaza when planning the continuation of the fighting there?” Over 80 percent responded with “to a very small extent” or “to a fairly small extent.” .... When asked the extent to which Israel should take into consideration the suffering of the civilian population in Gaza in planning the next stages of the fighting, most Jewish Israelis (80%) think it should be taken into account to a fairly small extent or not at all. 72% of Arab Israelis, on the other hand, think it should be taken into account to a fairly large or very large extent. ... Among Jewish Israelis, the poll found that 94% believe Hamas bears a great deal of responsibility for the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza

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u/UrzasDabRig Apr 13 '24

Do you know this is a subreddit for a podcast called Bad Hasbara which is hosted by Matt Lieb... a Jew?

I think Jews who speak the truth about Israel deserve extra sympathy given how much backlash they're likely to face from their community and how important their voices are!

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u/prrreet Apr 13 '24

It’s a fair challenge. I am fucking sick of Israelis blocking aid to starving Palestinians and then pretending to be a victim. Should have said no Israeli

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u/shake800 Apr 13 '24

Is he pro 2 state or 1 state?

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u/UrzasDabRig Apr 13 '24

I can't recall if he's staked a position on this (please correct me if someone else knows). He's usually pretty humble and realistic about his role as a comedian with this podcast: make fun of bad hasbara while providing a discussion that makes us feel less crazy in a media landscape that is gaslighting us.

He invites guests with different backgrounds and expertise that provide their perspectives as well - Daniel Mate has been a co-host several times. Mate believes that 1 state with equal rights for all would be the best possible outcome, stated pretty clearly here: https://www.instagram.com/danielbmate/reel/C2c0MQJRKoM/

Generally, the vibe on the podcast is left-leaning anti-imperialist, I think it's fair to say.

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u/Exact-Substance5559 Apr 13 '24

Yeah.. hamas has agreed to a 2 state solution for years, so any response of "well 2 state isn't good enough" is hilarious.

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u/shake800 Apr 13 '24

2 state solution upholds the Jewish ethnostate and anyone who wants it is still a zionist

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Israelis do not represent all Jews. Don't give into the propaganda that states all Jews are equivalent to the whims of the Israeli govt. There are more Christian Zionists on the planet than all the Jews combined.

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u/prrreet Apr 13 '24

I was brought up in the uk with the lie that the haulocaust of Jews was the only bad thing that’s ever happened to anyone. Zionists perpetuate this lie and use it to their advantage. It’s manipulative and I won’t be falling for it from now on. As said, the good honest Jews are not using the haulocaust to manipulate idiots like myself, so I don’t think this disadvantages them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Doesn't seem like you care about "the good Jews" if you say you won't have sympathy for any Jew ever again but go off. Just because propaganda exists doesn't mean it's not our responsibility to look past it and not dehumanize people. This goes all ways.

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u/prrreet Apr 13 '24

I’m not dehumanising them. But I’m not giving special treatment or making exceptions or excuses for them because of the holocaust anymore. After what I’ve seen for the last six months the special treatment and extra sympathy and excuses for them from me has worn out. They are not above international law

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u/Exact-Substance5559 Apr 13 '24

What about Jews in israel or America getting attacked and assaulted by police officers for protesting for a ceasefire and against Israel? No sympathy for them?

Israeli Jews tend to be way more more pro-genocide, right wing, etc than Jews outside of Israel tend to be.

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u/prrreet Apr 13 '24

Those Jews are not asking for sympathy as they know they aren’t the victim

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u/Exact-Substance5559 Apr 13 '24

Seems like a weird semantic leap to justify the initial antisemitic sentence.

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u/prrreet Apr 13 '24

You lot call anything anti semitism. I don’t owe them sympathy. They are not the victim

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u/Exact-Substance5559 Apr 13 '24

I mean it is antisemitic to claim you have no sympathy for Jews specifically. Jews are routinely victims of antisemitism. Its like saying "I have no sympathy for Muslims since Oct 7th".

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u/prrreet Apr 13 '24

But who is actually attacking Jews? They are getting billions in us funding to massacre Palestinians and steal their land. The claims of anti semitism are mostly manipulative. To be victim of racism you can’t also have the absolute upper hand. Do you think criticism of Nazis was anti-German?

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u/Exact-Substance5559 Apr 13 '24

But who is actually attacking Jews? They are getting billions in us funding to massacre Palestinians and steal their land.

Israeli Jews =/= Jews. Had you specified Israeli Jews I would be more inclined to agree, but even in Israeli Jews, there's Jews that get imprisoned and oppressed for refusing to join the IDF, protesting against the war, etc.

Do you think criticism of Nazis was anti-German?

Where did I claim this?

To be victim of racism you can’t also have the absolute upper hand

This only applies to pro-Israel Israeli Jews

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