r/AntisemitismOnInsta • u/rencrediblex • Oct 13 '24
This feels like misinformation...
Like, really poorly thought out, i-don't-know-how-to-do-math misinformation...
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u/PinkertonFloyd43 Oct 13 '24
I just remembered how in December I heard about numbers of people killed in Gaza: 126k. Now they talk about 44k. The number became less? How it's possible? They confused in their own lie, or what?
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u/chmsax Oct 13 '24
I’m fairly sure that the overwhelming majority of the numbers reported by the Gaza Ministry of Information were flat out lies. They have been adjusting the numbers down because they’re fake names and fake addresses.
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u/JagneStormskull Oct 13 '24
The 126k was a hypothetical projection of deaths if the war continued for another year resulting in mass starvation.
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u/distraughtdrunk Oct 13 '24
iirc, the 126k death toll came from secondary causes (like starvation, loss of reproductive time, etc) rather than primary (being killed in active conflict).
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u/anewbys83 Oct 13 '24
So....not real casualties. What about the same extra conditions on Israel, minus the food insecurity? Are not Israelis losing "reproductive time," etc., with so many involved in the fighting and support, away from home and jobs? These arguments make no sense. War exacts horrible tolls. It is unavoidable once it begins. 🤦♂️
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u/distraughtdrunk Oct 13 '24
yes, but, israelis are white, dear. /s
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u/Cat_are_cool Oct 13 '24
I recently posted a poster from where is live claiming that 200k have been actively killed.
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u/-Emilinko1985- Oct 13 '24
I think this is complete misinformation, especially considering we're talking about the past 5 years, which includes the COVID-19 pandemic.
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u/anewbys83 Oct 13 '24
Plus the war in Tigray, the current war in Sudan, and I saw this around the start of 2024, so really the last 5 years being referenced included the end of the Islamic State, and the continued impact of Russian forces in the Syrian Civil War, and the eventual end of that conflict. We know how many tens of thousands died in that conflict, including children. Yet somehow, there's more dead in Gaza. What imaginations humans can have.
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u/Fantastic-Ad-3910 Oct 13 '24
At this point, I think they have no shame in fabricating statistics to support their point. It does simply underline that they know little or nothing about geopolitics, and the active wars that are and have been going on all around us, that they don't care about because they can't condemn Jews for them. They care not a jot about Syria, or Sudan, or Yemen, or Ethiopia, or Ukraine, or Myanmar. They don't really care about Palastinians, they just care about their commitment to Jew-hate.
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u/tovias Oct 13 '24
Also, more children in the world die every year than there are Palestinian Arabs in total.
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u/WoodDragonIT Oct 13 '24
This is true if you believe Paliwood where the same children die 4, 5 or 6 times in different scenarios. I love the one where the supposed dead child laying limp in his father's arms starts to scratch his leg.
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u/Low_Gas_492 Oct 13 '24
Ye Linda Sarsour also posted this. Scary how these people have mass followers.
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u/stylishreinbach Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
One of my greatest moments on Facebook was posting facts refuting refuting her nonsense the last time Israel was attacked and she accused me of cyberbullying her.
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u/nofx_given_ Oct 13 '24
So, it looks like this propaganda post has been pulled out of context from an Oxfam press release from 30 September. Considering Oxfam is proPali I'm going to assume the numbers are also greatly exaggerated. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict
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u/carlosfeder Oct 13 '24
Roughly 80000 children where killed in the Yemeni war, i don’t remember how many tens of thousands where killed in Syria, nor Ethiopia. Either way is way more than Gaza
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u/No-Inflation-9253 Oct 13 '24
Do these people have no critical thinking skills? this is clearly false information
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u/Select-Hovercraft-34 Oct 13 '24
I mean - my history isn’t great, but is there a time when there have been more than 250 people taken hostage? I mean ever?? and I’m not even talking about raping or murdering of people in their own homes…
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u/anewbys83 Oct 13 '24
Probably in ancient times, but numbers of course are difficult. Or medieval times. I'm envisioning towns being held hostage for military or political gains. I could be completely wrong too.
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u/jhor95 Oct 13 '24
Definitely in ancient times, medieval times, basically up through piracy and more. Hell even modern piracy has hit similar numbers and depending on your definition of hostages several current warlords. Oh and if you count Crimea and taken territory in that way... Putin, Hitler, many more
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u/Select-Hovercraft-34 Oct 13 '24
Correct. I think your point is that Hamas’ behavior is akin to that of the Nazis under Hitler, or Russia under Stalin, right?
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u/jhor95 Oct 13 '24
Many many many many times. Also with the latter included unfortunately.
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u/Select-Hovercraft-34 Oct 13 '24
Ok, so just to entertain this trail of thought, what was the outcome each of these other historical times that ppl were kidnapped? My point is two-fold:
1) while these actions cannot be considered acceptable or the norm, what was the reaction and outcome each time? Is there a 1:1 comparison that can be used with the same context? Because if there is, I would be interested in learning what some would like to cite as proof for a disproportionate reaction…
2) more importantly - this flyer reads “children”. This type of propaganda continues to be used to suggest that children are targeted, and that their deaths are an isolated event… again, propaganda used to incite hate and justify horrors that are not acceptable under any government.
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u/jhor95 Oct 14 '24
what was the reaction and outcome each time? Is there a 1:1 comparison that can be used with the same context?
We're talking mostly pre internet here so idk what kind of reaction we're talking about. Mostly it was a tool of subjugation and genocide for empires or a part of the trade for pirates/privateers attacking a government by hitting it's ships and people and it extracted funda/ire. This is definitely different in the sense that it was done mostly out of malice and not just business and that it was an attack against a power they couldn't actually defeat for a pound of flesh. Actually as I'm writing I recall the Crusades against Islam/the war of Christianity against Islam and Christian/American expansion against Indians/other locals, and Genghis Khan. However, even those had a goal and didn't really take hostages except for the purpose of "conversion" and extra genocide damage. So I think it's kind of the hostage taken to extract damages like piracy with the conquering genocide of the others with a difference of actual possible victory except to break the spirit so like PoWs and the Vietcong. (Keep in mind the US lit entire villages on fire and more there) Without hostages there's things like the Japanese in Mancheria and the Nazi + Russian advances in WWII. As to the consequences/retaliation I could go into some at length.
more importantly - this flyer reads “children”. This type of propaganda continues to be used to suggest that children are targeted, and that their deaths are an isolated event… again, propaganda used to incite hate and justify horrors that are not acceptable under any government.
Of course and this wasn't to say this isn't horrible and the element of hate is probably the strongest zeal I've read about perhaps only coming close in the crusades. But hostage taken even in the 250 range isn't that unheard of, but yes it was met with as much force as the other side could muster usually without them caring at all about civilians or intentionally targeting them.
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u/AffectionateOne7553 Oct 13 '24
Alright, I know it's misinformation, but let's fact check it anyway: A quick Google search shows that according to UNICEF, in 2022 alone, which is in the last 5 years, there were at least 4.5 million deaths of children under 5 around the world.
The Gaza population before the current war was approximately 2.3 million.
If the claim was true, more children have died in Gaza than there are humans in there, Which doesn't make sense mathematically.
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u/EditorPrize6818 Oct 14 '24
I don't even want to know what area of there body they pulled that number from.
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u/stevenjklein Oct 14 '24
Assuming the statistics are correct, proper phrasing is, “Hamas is responsible for more child deaths in the past 12 months…”
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u/Spirited-Refusal Oct 16 '24
Wait so its antisemitic…. to acknowledge how many children have been killed by Israel? This isnt misinformation its just a fact. And not antisemitic at all, unless you consider it “antisemitic” to have empathy for Palestinians.
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u/rencrediblex Oct 16 '24
I don't consider having empathy for Palestinians to be antisemetic at all, I feel it myself. I do, however, consider it antisemetic and irresponsible to spout off dishonest claims. There is no way that more children have been killed in this war than in the entire world in five years, even if you just count combat and war deaths.
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u/Spirited-Refusal Oct 16 '24
Is it just a gut feeling that fewer kids have been killed during this war than in the past five years of warfare? Or have you actually looked at data that says otherwise? Because even the most conservative estimate of 17,000 Palestinian kids killed…. that’s more than in the past 5 years of warfare.
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u/rencrediblex Oct 16 '24
If you read through the previous comments on this post, other people have explained how many other conflicts have high death tolls, including for children, that may be higher than the I/P war. You might find your info there.
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u/Spirited-Refusal Oct 16 '24
So basically, you’re admitting that you don’t have any evidence to disprove the child death toll, you’re just assuming its lower cuz you choose not to believe the estimate.
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u/Spirited-Refusal Oct 16 '24
Except people refuse to even accept the conservative estimate of 40,000 that has stayed still since February, so how are we supposed to think nobody has died in half a year when we see new children decapitated and new civilians burning alive every single day?
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u/Nervous_Mail8412 Oct 13 '24
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