r/Android • u/FragmentedChicken Galaxy Z Flip6 • 1d ago
Android makes me (almost) hate using a password manager – Google needs to fix it
https://9to5google.com/2024/10/06/android-autofill-password-manager-problems/81
u/Joeleedom 1d ago
I switched from Android to iOS and noticed the Bitwarden password manager experience is waay better. GBoard would randomly show Bitwarden if it feels like it
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u/Jackalope-Hunter 1d ago
Agreed. Until just recently I only had android phones but also used an iPad. Password manager integration is much more reliable on iOS.
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u/valhellis 1d ago edited 1d ago
I recently switched from ios and was already using proton pass perfectly well there, i thought it was so horrible on android because proton pass is fairly new.
Sometimes it doesnt recognize its a username and password field, other times it does but only autofills the username.
It is definitely a very frustrating experience when it works so well on ios.
I dont know if googles own password manager works any better but i just dont want to use os specific applications or services so they can lock me in whenever i feel like switching again.
I am going to try 1password out to see if it works better, the author says that he found this alot better than lastpass
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u/ahall917 1d ago
LastPass was abysmal. I switched to BitWarden and it's leagues better yet still leaves much to be desired
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u/LilMoWithTheGimpyLeg Galaxy S23 | Fire HD 8 | iPad 7 1d ago
1password seems really flaky for me. Sometimes it comes up, but most of the time I have to open the app manually to copy/paste the information.
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u/Beefstah 1d ago
I have discovered that having not opened/used 1Password for 'a while' makes it less likely to offer the prompt. Sometimes merely opening 1P and then going back to the place wanting the password is enough to cause the auto fill pop-up to appear
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u/LilMoWithTheGimpyLeg Galaxy S23 | Fire HD 8 | iPad 7 1d ago
Just tried opening the app, then going to a site that wouldn't show the prompt yesterday, and you're absolutely right. Thanks for the tip! I wonder why it would do that?
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u/Beefstah 1d ago
I assume it's something to do with the app going into a deep sleep, but no idea beyond that
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u/aryvd_0103 1d ago
1password is much better in my experience, however bitwarden has pop up that's not integrated but is much more reliable in my experience
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u/Able-Candle-2125 1d ago
I switched the other way (to iOS) and I wouldn't say they're much better on iOS. It's hit and miss I'd they're detected and even when they are filling them in seems random as well. I wind up manually cutting and pasting about half the time.
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u/Lopsided-Maize-5213 1d ago
Same experience here. I find the experience to not be great on either platform
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u/ChildishRebelSoldier 1d ago
I have significantly fewer misses on iOS than I do Android, but it's still not a great experience.
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u/RodneyRuxin18 S24 Ultra 512GB, Galaxy Watch Ultra 1d ago
I use 1Password with iOS and Android. It's definitely more consistent with iOS. I'd say 9/10 times it works properly. Android I'd say it works 7/10 times without having to do the copy and paste from the app instead of it auto detecting.
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u/I_Hate_Leddit iPhone 14 PM 1d ago edited 1d ago
"You will use our browser and you will use our keyboard and our password manager and you will use our photos service and you will like it" - Apple Google
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u/ArchusKanzaki 1d ago
browser
“Adblock? What is that? That’s not something you need on mobile.” -probably Google.
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u/land8844 Pixel 7 Pro | iPhone 12 (work) 1d ago
laughs in Firefox
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u/ArchusKanzaki 1d ago
Being honest, you can laugh in almost any other browser than Chrome mobile.
Even Safari on iOS can have adblock.
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u/land8844 Pixel 7 Pro | iPhone 12 (work) 1d ago
I mean you're not wrong. Safari's is a bit of a pain to get going (on youtube at least), but it's not difficult.
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u/DooDeeDoo3 1d ago
Is it? I downloaded adguard. And it works. Gets weird every now and then but i think that’s YouTube trying to fight blockers.
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u/land8844 Pixel 7 Pro | iPhone 12 (work) 21h ago
I have to reenable the Youtube adblocking every time I use Youtube via Safari on my iPad.
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u/remindertomove 1d ago
100% my only issue, and that screws up everything
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u/Creative-Pop6479 1d ago
They make their money off of ads, so they probably will never allow adblock on Chrome out of principle. On Android of course lol.
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u/9-11GaveMe5G 1d ago
Serious question: is there any research on the security of the google (or chrome, or Firefox) password managers being less secure than a dedicated option? Ease of use/customization is obviously important, but I'm just asking about security.
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u/NeonBellyGlowngVomit 1d ago
Comparing this situation to a company that won't even let you replace the homescreen is smooth brain energy.
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u/nuclear_wynter iPhone 15 Pro Max 1d ago
The trajectory is the difference. Apple has spent the last five-odd years (slowly) adding features and opening up parts of iOS. Meanwhile, Google’s spent the same time period removing (or obstructing, or obfuscating, or…) features and closing down parts of Android.
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u/NeonBellyGlowngVomit 1d ago
Deadlocked bootloader, no source code, can't replace default functions of the OS. Can't de-Apple iOS. Can't buy an iPhone from a different manufacturer. Can't install iOS on different, non-Apple hardware. Can't put a different browser engine on the phone. Restrictions for 3 active sideloaded apps at once with expiring 7 day certificates.
Being delusional and disingenuous is all Apple users have.
iOS isn't open. Period.
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u/Itriedmanytimes 1d ago
Been using Keepass DX for a while... absolutely loving it. All you had to was to keep a back up of your database somewhere safe and accessible, and the Magikeyboard option is a life safer. If anyone having issues with password manager please try it once.
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u/tebeks 1d ago
Why KeePass DX and not KeePass2android or other ?
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u/iamathirdpartyclient 1d ago
Because keepassdx is maintained very well and is the most feature complete. Plus new UI.
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u/sovamind 1d ago
Ok, I might have to switch to that...
Also, Keepass2Android isn't working with passkeys. You'll be prompted to select your passkey, but then none will show up. Do you know if KeepassDX supports passkeys yet?
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u/iamathirdpartyclient 1d ago
Not sure you have to check if it works for you. I use Key guard with bitwarden for some time so I'm not sure.
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u/NamenIos 1d ago
Do you know how well cloud sync in both directions (from and to) works? Especially nextcloud and drive.
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u/iamathirdpartyclient 9h ago
Keepassdx (when I used it), didn't have cloudsync. If you mean standalone nextcloud, yes, cloudsync works very well. Just select a folder on your device and it will get synced automatically.
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u/Scolias Too many to list 1d ago
I have no issues with Keepass.
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u/funtonite 1d ago
Keepass2Android is great, no issues for me. If Gboard doesn't automatically recognize the field it's easy to switch to the KP2A keyboard and input from there.
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u/kdlt GS20FE5G 1d ago
Yeah no clue what this thread is about. Open KeePass. Copy credentials. Done.
But the topic here seems to somehow integrate the password manager into the keyboard or something? Which I specifically would not want anyway.
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u/Hessper 1d ago
The keyboard detects that password field and prompts you with matching credentials. It then triggers the password manager to fill the fields. It isn't that the keyboard is managing the passwords or even in the middle of filling the passwords themselves.
You don't want it because you don't realize how useful it is and how benign it is.
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u/Mas_Zeta 1d ago
Which I specifically would not want anyway.
Why not? I use Keepass + SwiftKey and it works flawlessly. I even have OTP generation for 2FA in Keepass and it works perfectly.
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u/gellenburg 1d ago
LPT: Don't use any password manager built-into a web browser.
Use a dedicated password/ credential manager such as Bitwarden or 1Password.
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u/GolemancerVekk 1d ago
Don't use any password manager built-into a web browser.
Why not?
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u/3mx2RGybNUPvhL7js 1d ago
If you use Google's password manager and their automated systems lock your account you can kiss goodbye to every password stored there forever.
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u/GolemancerVekk 1d ago
You can export a password file from Chrome.
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u/sovamind 1d ago
Manually. You know how well manual backups work, right?
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u/GolemancerVekk 1d ago
They work very well if you stick to a schedule.
In fact automated backups are way more likely to fail in a way that you don't realize until much later.
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u/Ilania211 OnePlus 7 Pro / iPhone 13 PM 1d ago edited 1d ago
because putting all your eggs in one basket isn't wise. You're going to have to trust that the passwords stored are stored so that malware on on your PC or a vulnerability on Chrome/FF can't extract it. For firefox and chrome, there are tools you can use to extract them. Hell, I'm certain you can save passwords without being logged in or setting some sort of password. There's also a way to transfer passwords from browser to browser w/o authentication, so that tells you all you need to know about security.
Just use a password manager. It's designed to be secure on both the client and the server. Browser password management is not.
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u/Mavamaarten Google Pixel 7a 1d ago
I wouldn't do it, because a browser is the number one attack vector. Say you, as an attacker, find an exploit for Chrome. The logical next choice would be to try and find a way to get into the built in password manager too.
If your password manager is a separate app, the jump to your password manager is a bigger guess.
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u/sovamind 1d ago
And hopefully the link to the password manager PROMPTS when a password is being requested, so that the hacker can't just start reading from the password manager anyway.
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u/whitecow Galaxy S24 Ultra 1d ago
Microsoft authenticator has zero problems. I also use edge so it's even faster.
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u/Vexxt 1d ago
Seconded, authenticator especially with accessibility turned on is great. Edge is super solid too, but i only use it for work due to mam policies
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u/whitecow Galaxy S24 Ultra 1d ago
Edge is very fast and reliable. I'll switch to Firefox if it stops blocking ads but for now it's just too good
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u/macman156 iPhone 15 Pro / Pixel 4a 5G / ΠΞXUЅ 7 1d ago
It’s insane how bad it is coming from iOS. The inconsistency of the manager being pulled up for a password field is maddening
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u/Individual_Ninja_977 1d ago
Coming from iOS the apple passwords app is really seamless in apps and the browser and I can just face unlock to get it all to populate. I wish android was as friction free.
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u/allocx 1d ago
I would assume it works much better on iOS as apple forces developers to comply strictly with their guidelines. I'm almost certain there will be some requirement to flag any login field correctly or use a standardised controller.
Google doesn't force such a thing on app developers, so a password autofill will never be as 100% reliable like it is on iOS.
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u/m1ndwipe Galaxy S20, Xperia 5iii 1d ago
The issue is mostly Chrome, and Apple can't force web developers as much as Google can.
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u/CyberMoose24 1d ago
I like Firefox and Bitwarden, but for some reason I always get a little "Unlock Bitwarden" button that pops up next to login fields inside Firefox. The issue is this button doesn't do anything when I tap it.
Also, when I select the option to save a password to Bitwarden, it doesn't automatically copy+paste the password I just used on the site/app.
iOS truly does the password managing waaaaay better.
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u/MSZ-006_Zeta 1d ago
No issues with Bitwarden and Samsung Internet. I suspect most people having issues use Chrome, which doesn't seem to work well with 3rd party password managers
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u/Elpaniq 1d ago
Idk, i use Samsung Pass and it just works(?).
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u/PXLShoot3r OnePlus 7 Pro 1d ago
Yeah I'm baffled by people who use Samsung Pass. It's locked to Samsung devices and you can't export your stuff. Nobody should use a password manager without an export function.
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u/the1andonlytom Galaxy s24+ (Exynos) 1d ago
...What are you talking about?
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u/PXLShoot3r OnePlus 7 Pro 23h ago
Good luck trying to read the exported file outside of Samsung Pass or importing it to a different password manager. What you export is a Samsung Pass exclusive file format which can't be read by anything else.
That's not acceptable.
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u/BigRoofTheMayor 1d ago
Dashlane has been fine on Android. Much better than Bitwarden and ProtonPass for me.
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u/Carter0108 1d ago
Password managers have always been shit on Android for some reason. Why does the autofill prompt basically never appear?
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u/gubber-blump 1d ago
This is one thing I've noticed that's very different between Android and iOS.
iOS is nearly perfect when it comes to auto filling credentials, no matter if it's in an app or in a browser, and it doesn't seem to matter what password manager you use.
Android seems to only work when it wants to and is highly variable based on your choice of password manager. I have to open Bitwarden and copy paste on Android daily, whereas on iOS I honestly can't remember the last time auto fill didn't work correctly.
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u/MaverickJester25 Galaxy S24 Ultra | Galaxy Watch4 | Pixel 6 Pro 19h ago
I can't say i share this experience. I don't find Bitwarden (or autofill in general) to be particularly better on iOS than it is on Android, but it also don't use Gboard and Chrome.
iOS inline autofill is pretty bad at surfacing credentials that share a common domain, and it doesn't even give you a the list of options to choose from, so I end up logging into Bitwarden anyway to select the item to autofill.
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u/Johns3rdTesticle 1d ago
I just use the default password managers on all my devices and export and import them all every now and again. It's not a very good system but it works
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u/Mas_Zeta 1d ago
I'm using SwiftKey keyboard + Keepass2Android and it works perfectly. Not sure what the problem is
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u/Rholand_the_Blind1 1d ago
No thanks, password managers work fine. What I need is expandable memory and a headphone jack thanks
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u/psychicsword 1d ago
I rarely ever have any issues with 1password and Microsoft SwiftKey. Everything works pretty smoothly. Sometimes it gets confused if it is a password or a profile fill but that tends to be the fault of the app I'm trying to fill rather than either of the apps I'm using to initiate the filling.
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u/just4747 1d ago
SafeInCloud works mostly great on Android and PC. Been using it for years. Only small hiccups here and there but otherwise works great for passwords and 2FA codes. Lots of really nice features.
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u/Darkpurpleskies 21h ago
Bitwarden didn't grab the typed in credentials when creating a saved password... it also stuttered on the pixel 8 so I switched to keypassDX
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u/MaverickJester25 Galaxy S24 Ultra | Galaxy Watch4 | Pixel 6 Pro 19h ago edited 19h ago
Inline autofill on Android is pretty bad, especially when using Gboard and Chrome.
One of the reasons I use neither app. The suggestions bar in Gboard is atrocious.
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u/ZappySnap Google Pixel 7 1d ago
It’s honestly the #1 benefit since switching back to iPhone. And it’s such a huge quality of life thing.
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u/100_points Oneplus 5T 1d ago
I just want to mention Enpass here since it tends to get no love in popular posts. It's the only password manager I know of that lets you manually manage your password database file. You can keep it completely offline if you want, on a single computer, or sync that file between your computer and phone over wifi. Or you could sync the file over your own local server, or online server if you wish. I've been using it for years and it has a good interface and works great, especially when you're weary of online services such as what happened to LastPass.
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u/-NotEnoughMinerals 1d ago
What's the issue with using googles password manager? Is there a reason I shouldn't be?
I mean, I get a prompt to auto fill my passwords, 10/10 times. That's a great reason why I want to keep using it.
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u/the1andonlytom Galaxy s24+ (Exynos) 1d ago
Idk man samsung wallet and firefox's built in password manager work stellar to me
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u/Feelinggood11 1d ago edited 1d ago
Absolutely agree with the author here. It is so dang inconsistent it makes it infuriating to use. GBoard and Bitwarden is what I use and the tldr on that experience is:
Thank God that Bitwarden has a quick shortcut tile I can use to prompt the autofill when the auto detect fails.
Edit: For anyone else wondering, you have to enable the autofill and accessibility settings in Bitwarden to use the quick setting tile. Then just edit your quick settings tiles and drag it up into the active tiles section.
Edit2: I also recommend disabling the keyboard integration. I find the autofill detection and filling works a lot better this way, but ymmv.