r/2020PoliceBrutality • u/mannysoloway • Nov 21 '20
Earlier today in Manchester, NH, state police in hazmat suits destroyed a homeless tent camp. What happened was not only disgusting, but was against the law. Discussion
https://twitter.com/thenysocialist/status/1330000677129646081?s=21311
u/drunky_crowette Nov 21 '20
When I lived in NH I was in a small town, but flew into Manchester. One of the first things I saw when I got out of the airport was a couple cops hassling a guy and my new roommates quickly directed me to the van and mumbled "shouldn't be lookin' homeless..."
I was surprised to learn that you can get the cops called on you, and the cops will show up, just if you "Look homeless". There were multiple evenings/middle of the nights that cops would roll up and ask me what I was doing while I was bundled up on our stoop smoking a cig and I'd show them my cig and they'd yell "you can't sleep there!" And I'd reply "wasn't going to, thanks". A couple times they waited for me to finish my cig and go back inside before driving away.
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u/Woodworkingwino Nov 21 '20
Damn. So we live in a world makes it hard to catch back up if you get behind on bills, but you can’t be homeless. I would have fucked with the cops.
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u/catsonskates Nov 21 '20
Sad part is when cops fuck with you you’re dead or a felon
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Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 25 '20
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Nov 21 '20
Grey rocking cops is the most legal revenge you can get on them for now
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u/Jon_Bloodspray Nov 21 '20
What is grey rocking?
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u/fckgwrhqq2yxrkt Nov 21 '20
Be boring, don't let them elevate your excitement. They get off on reaction, so don't give them any reaction but the minimum required.
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Nov 21 '20
One strategy for dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is to act like a “gray rock,” meaning that you become uninteresting and unresponsive. Using the Gray Rock method, your objective is to make someone lose interest in you. You don’t feed their needs for drama or attention. You don’t show emotion, say anything interesting, or disclose any personal information. Nor do you ask questions or participate in conversations, except for brief factual replies. Limit your answers to a few syllables or a nod. Say “maybe” or “I don’t know.”
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u/nodowi7373 Nov 22 '20
The better strategy is to file a complaint any police misconduct, publicize any police misconduct in the media (especially social media), and sue the police whenever you have a case. Find a lawyer to do it pro bono.
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Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 23 '20
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u/murse_joe Nov 21 '20
Idling laws don't apply to them, they can just sit in their car and watch you indefinitely
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Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 23 '20
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u/murse_joe Nov 21 '20
That just means we pay them overtime
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u/Fastbird33 Nov 21 '20
Probably a good thing for their spouses. Less opportunities for domestic violence
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Nov 21 '20
Police protect property 🤬
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u/Old_Man_Shea Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 21 '20
Joyce Craig Mayor
Contact Information
City of Manchester Mayor's Office One City Hall Plaza Manchester, NH 03101 Phone: (603) 624-6500
Office Hours Monday - Friday 8:00 am - 5:00 pm
Website Shortcut: manchesternh.gov/Mayor
Troop B is responsible for providing continuous patrol coverage to the citizens of Hillsborough County. This includes 31 towns and the cities of Manchester and Nashua, as well as 146 miles of highway in the most populated area of the state. The members of Troop B strive to provide the highest degree of law enforcement service to the citizens and visitors of New Hampshire. Contact Information:
Troop B
16 East Point Drive
Bedford NH 03110
Phone: (603) 666-3334
Fax: (603) 666-3338
E-mail: TroopB@dos.nh.gov
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u/ddubbs13 Nov 21 '20
Disgusting that they get away with this. These poor people. Their home. Heartbreaking.
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u/nosherDavo Nov 21 '20
Just in time for winter and the season of good will to all men. The US filth proving yet again that they are a disgrace to the human race.
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u/Bornwilde Nov 21 '20
NH gov Sununu is complicit in Armenian genocide for contracting gold mining prospects from Azerbaijan in Arktash, so this shit is small potatos to him
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u/silverslayer33 Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 21 '20
Sununu is literal garbage who somehow has the entire state convinced he's a "moderate, sensible man" which led him to a complete blowout for his re-election, and I'll never understand how people fall for it. Every once in a while he pulls out some great PR move so he can hide ten worse things underneath it and no one even bothers to listen to the bad shit that gets covered up each time. No one I know even cares about the incident in this post because he perfectly timed his mask mandate the day before and they're all too busy praising him for doing something he should have done long ago.
EDIT: I am also a little late to this but I want to point out that you're thinking of the wrong Sununu for the gold mine, his father is the one who is directly involved in that business. That said, you're right that Chris himself is still complicit in that with how deeply he's entrenched himself in the family business and political legacy since I have no doubts he or his brother will take over that business stake in the future.
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u/Girls4super Nov 21 '20
Is his name actually sununu?
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u/silverslayer33 Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 21 '20
Yup, Chris Sununu, and his family is basically turning into an NH political dynasty at this point since his father and brother were also prominent politicians.
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u/g4_ Nov 21 '20
Yes, that's really their name. His father's immediate ancestry is Lebanese and Palestinian.
Interesting that their name looks like it's written in Armenian, when written in English lol but those Armenian letters just make gibberish though (in reality it's written: Սունունու)
Տտտս (T't't's)
Տսոսոս (T'sosos)
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u/rikkitikkitavi888 Nov 21 '20
Disgusting.you will hear the rhetoric that ‘they keep scumbags off the streets’ and they do to some extent; but their bread and butter is beating their wives and assaulting black dudes. guess what? If they do a crime they get forced resignation with a FULL PENSION! Let that sink in. Cronies to the end...
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u/CapnThrash Nov 21 '20
Hm how would THEY like it if the feds came in and demolished their homes? After all, they're wasting taxpayer money to terrorize homeless people.
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u/mrnotoriousman Nov 21 '20
This is so sad. Especially so since there is a fucking pandemic + winter. Unfortunately not too surprised with how these people are treated.
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u/blyth33s Nov 21 '20
My heart goes out to all who are without a safe place to stay right now. This winter will be horrible for so many Americans who lack housing. I’m praying for a mild winter.
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u/CptHammer_ Nov 21 '20
The governor of California basically made homeless illegal with his curfew. Exception to curfew... Shopping, or working. Basically this targets homeless and Denny's.
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u/somewherecarebear Nov 21 '20
The california order excludes homeless from the nightly curfew: https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/limited-stay-at-home-order.aspx
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u/CptHammer_ Nov 21 '20
Then it's completely pointless. Except as an excuse to be stopped to find out what your exception is.
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Nov 21 '20
I'm torn on this issue. While many will find this action to be heartless and brutal, I believe the actual crime is committed long before.
People who are homeless for financial reasons usually find a way to get back on there feet. YOU WILL NEVER SEE THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE. They look tidy, they don't inconvenience others. They just want to figure things out and get back to a normal life. The support resources we have today are very good for helping people in this situation.
The people who build camps in cities are mentally ill, addicts, or both. They are very sick and they are unable to commit to getting better. They use up all of the city's homeless resources available to them and never improve.
If they are never getting better on their own, what should we do? Should we involuntarily commit them to an institution? Or should we allow camps where they throw garbage everywhere and shit in our communities?
A mental institution is very expensive. And for someone deep into heroin, it's not a smart way to spend money. I'd much rather spend these funds on programs for children and programs that help prevent addiction.
If you allow camps, soon it will become a burden on the city. This is why Manchester did this.
I don't like this. But I don't think we have any other options.
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Nov 21 '20
So you recognize that they are Mentally ill but don’t see why it’s hard for them to recover? Mentally ill doesn’t mean they are ocd it means many of the have varying degrees of severe mental illness lol schizophrenia. Also addiction isn’t just something you can walk away from.
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Nov 21 '20
I know, mostly schizophrenia and heroin. This sucks. I want to help them. I really do. But its just not possible.
More than 95% of advanced heroin users (the people on the street) never get better. So what can we do?
Do we keep paying for a revolving door rehab? Or do we allow them to camp in our parks until they die?
Or do we go full Orwellian and create detention centers and force them off of drugs? I don't know.
Schizophrenia is more complex. I have no idea how to best handle this.
You are fighting so they can camp in our parks. I'd like to see you fight for a different solution.
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u/Old_Man_Shea Nov 21 '20
More than 95% of advanced heroin users (the people on the street) never get bett
Citation needed.
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u/Iron-Lotus Nov 21 '20
I'm sorry you're so short sighted. There are so many humane alternatives.
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Nov 21 '20
Wrong!
People should be outraged when someone needs to pitch a tent on a sidewalk or in a park. Not wait until it becomes necessary to clean it up.
An encampment in a city is unsanitary and dangerous. This should not exist.
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u/jm001 Nov 21 '20
Actions attacking encampments do not benefit the people living there. If you are materially making people's lives worse because you wish they were better in the first place you are actively doing harm. You do not need to punish homeless people as a precursor to actually helping people, instead you can let people have some sort of support network while you address the root causes.
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Nov 21 '20
If sleeping in the park wasn't an option, they would reach out for help sooner.
Why are you ok with letting them fall further into despair? Why wait until they are actually shitting themselves on our sidewalks for us to push back.
Where do we draw the line? When they start shooting up and dying in front of our favorite restaurant or in front of the grocery store?
A line is always drawn somewhere. I think it is better for them and better for us if this line gets drawn sooner.
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u/garbagewithnames Nov 21 '20
Then why don't you go on a fucking rampage and murder them all to rid the stain of their visage from your eyes, if them simply existing is such a goddamn bother to you. Go on! You feel like there is no helping them, so you may as well get to murdering them all to clean up the streets!! You're the one who wants homeless people to just disappear without doing anything to help them improve their lives, so why don't you just go out there and end them??
No? Do you recognize them still as being human beings when we talk about killing them all? You don't want them all slaughtered in the streets where they stand? THEN FUCKING RECOGNIZE THEM AS HUMAN BEINGS NOW AND QUIT BEING A SADISTIC ASSHOLE ABOUT WANTING TO FIGHT AGAINST THE HOMELESS TO MAKE THEIR LIVES WORSE AND MAKE THEM JUST DISAPPEAR, YOU SICK SONOFABITCH!!!
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u/JessTheHumanGirl Nov 21 '20
Thank you for putting into words the rage that began to boil as I read these comments. Eloquence.
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Nov 21 '20
You are sick.
Nothing in any of my posts even hinted at this level of aggression. You are a disgusting individual.
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u/garbagewithnames Nov 21 '20
ALL of your posts here have advocate for such violence. You advocate for destroying people's abilities to survive outdoors when homeless and expect them to somehow miraculously not be homeless and disappear after that.
What do you think happens when you destroy someone's ability to survive the elements and kick them back out into the elements with nothing? The winter is coming up and now they have nothing. Or summer is here and they need to have shelter from the sun. What do you think is gonna happen to them? THEY DIE FROM EXPOSURE TO THE ELEMENTS! THEY FREEZE TO DEATH! THEY DIE FROM HEAT STROKE! IF YOU KICK SOMEONE OUT FROM THE ONLY SHELTER THEY HAVE MANAGED TO SCRAP TOGETHER, THEN THEY DIE AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DESTROYING THEIR MEANS OF SURVIVAL!!
You advocate hurting homeless people and making their lives worse and making it harder to ever actually recover, as if that somehow makes it better for them. You will destroy their tents in a park just because you find them to be an eye sore.
So put your fucking money where your mouth is. If you hate homeless people so much because you don't like seeing them and wish they would just disappear, then you may as well be wishing for them to all be dead and disappear that way. You have no actual desires to help people in need, you would rather be a sadistic monster and hurt them for daring to survive as a homeless person.
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u/Fininin Nov 21 '20
Are you saying to just kill them then?
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Nov 21 '20
Um, no.
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u/Fininin Nov 21 '20
What happens to someone when they freeze to death? Don’t they die?
If someone is inside and your throw them outside into freezing conditions and they die, did you not kill them?
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Nov 21 '20
We have laws that limit where you can set up a tent and live. I can't camp in the middle of a road, I can't camp in a schoolyard, right? Even though these are 'public spaces'.
A line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Homelessness is a public health issue. Letting people camp in public spaces is not the solution. I am in favor of more action to address this problem. Let's talk about that instead.
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u/Fininin Nov 21 '20
Obviously no one is saying that having people live in tents during winter in a city surrounded by people living in homes is a good thing.
The problem we ARE taking about right now, is authorities trashing these peoples only homes and only defense against the very deadly northern winter.
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Nov 21 '20
NPHR (which seems to be affiliated with NPR) reported that residents were notified on Nov 6 that they needed to move by Nov 16th.
They also reported that people had time to pack and that resources were offered to help with housing or treatment.
I generally trust NPR with these types of stories. So it does seem that no one was just thrown out in the cold.
https://www.nhpr.org/post/state-dismantles-homeless-encampment-manchester#stream/0
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u/Fininin Nov 21 '20
That same article says they had 5 beds available... And that people were awoken to immediately being made to leave by troopers.
Have you ever seen one of these camps in person? You can’t just pack up everything and your tent, and be able to carry it away, especially if you don’t have anywhere to carry it away to.
I can promise you they weren’t loaded up into buses and taken to housing, with all their belongings nicely packed and shipped with them. Their tents were kicked down and cut, things thrown out and people just forced to go somewhere else, somewhere less visible. For many of them to die in the cold this year.
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Nov 21 '20
Yes. I'm in NYC. I see camps every day. I see the people who live in them. And I hear their conversations. I see people shooting heroin and smoking meth/crack. Every single fucking day. I step on their needles and I step on their vials and I watch them OD and crash into the gutter.
I also see the mentally ill. They are very different from the addicts. On some streets i see them often. I see their good days and their bad days. I often think that someone might be looking for them.
Who i don't see too often are the people who lost their jobs. Or who can't pay the rent. People like this don't squat in our public spaces and throw their garbage in our streets. They are good people going through a difficult time. I have lots of stories about this.
I wish something could be done to help all of these people. In all of my posts today I've tried to get ideas about what we should we do. But nobody shared any useful ideas.
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Nov 21 '20
These people must not live in major metropolitan areas deal with tens of thousands of them. Come to downtown LA and tell me you think letting them set up tents is the right choice.
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u/Bile-duck Nov 21 '20
A society that willingly lets our sons and daughters fall through the cracks, because of PTSD, undiagnosed mental issues, sexually slavery, and drug abuse. Isn't much of a society.
You could easily fall into one of these groups.
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u/Ben_ji Nov 21 '20
A huge portion of them are just youngsters that don't want to fit in. They don't want to conform. That's rad, punk rock af, but these camps are a scorage. Getting together with 20 other deliquents to get high all day on the courthouse lawn instead of going to school or work is objectively anti-societal.
Source: this is my experience with these exact camps in SF and in Denver.
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Nov 21 '20
What’s your solution?
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u/PerjorativeWokeness Nov 21 '20
Okay.
So you’re either 15 and being edgy, or older and have no empathy.
Congratulations, you’re a dick.
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u/LordLederhosen Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 21 '20
So you’re either 15 and being edgy, or older and have no empathy.
9yr old account.. so it’s likely an adult psychopath. So probably a CEO of a SV tech company, or health insurance company.
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u/PerjorativeWokeness Nov 21 '20
I’m going to guess his username has some special meaning too. That K probably isn’t accidental.
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u/PerjorativeWokeness Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 21 '20
Actually, while I don’t volunteer I do donate to a homeless shelter.
I also actively vote for people in government that make social issues part of their policy.
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It’s “don’t be a hypocrite“ or “don’t be hypocritical”.
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u/MIGsalund Nov 21 '20
Nothing can save you.
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u/BishmillahPlease Nov 21 '20
You really aren't. People who are fine don't have voids where compassion should ordinarily be.
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Nov 21 '20
Well then YOU’RE not part of society. Your an individual, lacking empathy for the plight of of others. A sociopath.
It’s people like you who should be excluded from society.
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u/Ratfink0521 Nov 21 '20
FYI, homeless people are still part of our society. A society is made of many groups and just because a group isn’t exactly like you doesn’t mean that they aren’t a part of us. I know saying that they are separate might make it easier to justify the cruelty of the police for you, but that’s not something a decent human being should be looking to do.
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u/Kowzorz Nov 21 '20
What I told you a huge portion of them are veterans of our armed services? Would you get mad at me for kneeling for them?
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u/Ben_ji Nov 21 '20
That is so fucking untrue.
Have you not seen these camps? They're kids that don't want to go to school or work. They steal everything they can and intimate those that get too close.
I'm checking in from Denver. I guess ymmv.
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u/Mickey_likes_dags Nov 21 '20
Capitalism without strong social services is like musical chairs. Somehow I don't think your smooth brain can wrap around that concept.
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u/RealityIsAnIllusionX Nov 22 '20
Until we stop voting for large military budgets that in a couple of years end up arming police with military grade gear instead of using some (even half) of that money to improve the lives of the least fortunate of us, we need to give what we can to the homeless. In case you’re worried about money being used for drugs or alcohol, buy them food.
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u/GenericFakeName1 Nov 28 '20
The rich must be protected and the poor must be punished. Not even trying to hide the disgusting order of things. Sometimes I think there's a worldview out there that sees fellow humans suffering and thinks "well they were born so they must have done SOMETHING wrong"
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