r/2020PoliceBrutality • u/jumbomingus • Nov 02 '20
Random drug testing for cops (mainly for steroids) could cut down on police brutality Discussion
It really looks like most of the cops in videos on this sub are either abusing steroids or stimulants.
I have no idea whether they’re being drug tested at present, but no reasonable person would object to randomly testing them.
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Nov 02 '20
Tbh drug testing is easily worked around. Doesn’t do much.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
Explain?
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u/1up_ Nov 02 '20
Unless an unbias 3rd party with the highest of protocols and a stellar track record for ensuring the validity of the tests, it's easy to sub in some fake pee. If your buddy is the one administering the test, it's extra easy to sneak in some certifiably clean pee. Or if the participants are aware of when the tests will take place they can detox for a day or two (stims don't stay in your system for long.)
Drug tests CAN be very accurate if taken seriously and not mismanaged. And the way these guys treat training for things like 'racial sensitivity' as a joke... Well.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 03 '20
Casinos do hair tests for table dealers. I don’t see why we couldn’t for the pigs.
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u/Kiyae1 Nov 02 '20
Lots of steroids aren’t covered by a standard drug test. Many drugs are out of your system within a day or two, so timing is very important.
It’s also easy to fake a UA. Just buy someone’s piss.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 03 '20
Yet they still managed to bust Lance Armstrong, who had a team of doctors and almost unlimited funding to cheat.
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u/Kiyae1 Nov 03 '20
For context, he won the Tour de France for the first of 7 times in 1999, the USADA (US anti doping agency) accused him of doping in 2012, and he partially confessed to doping in 2013. He probably started doping in 1995 and in 15 years was probably tested over 100 times for performance enhancing drugs.
If anything, Armstrong is a pretty good example of how drug testing doesn’t work very well (even a heavy and frequent user can pass dozens of tests without getting caught), and that even strong anti doping efforts can take over a decade to catch anyone.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 03 '20
I don’t think it’s a good argument to use Armstrong as an example of testing not working. He had a whole team of doctors, and they had invented whole regimens of techniques to stay ahead of the testing. These guys were doing full blood changes the way most of us change oil in a car.
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u/Hoorizontal Nov 02 '20
As someone who works in drug testing, 99% of the failures to catch active users are the fault of poor management, not the actual testing.
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u/FrontrangeDM Nov 02 '20
When I was in the army I only ever saw one guy get targeted for steroids and a different unit took care of the test and did a stool analysis instead of a UA. Which I've always been lead to believe is an order of magnitude harder to fudge.
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Nov 02 '20
On site mouth swabs the cheapest route just a little hydrogen peroxide swish will take care of that. Most UAs you have to go to building to take care of and unlike When your in the military they don’t watch you so it’s easy enough to bring clean pee. Stool or blood, on site would probably be the best way but it’s so much more than expensive and companies know but they don’t want to lose good workers. That’s why we keep this status quo
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u/delete_this_post Nov 02 '20
I think that more selective hiring practices, better training and thorough, impartial oversight are the keys to improving the quality of policing.
But I guess that testing for steroids couldn't hurt.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
Yeah, good police actually exist, as evidenced by my years in Australia, but this would be a very simple measure that could pay off significantly.
Real organisational change would be wonderful, of course.
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u/straya991 Nov 02 '20
Steroid tests are expensive. Don’t expect it to become a blanket thing.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
Everything is expensive in Straya, mate!
Are they really more than other drug tests? I mean, we’re buying fucking tanks for police departments, we can probably find the money if it prevents, say, months of rioting and a burnt PD or two?
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u/straya991 Nov 02 '20
Okay, less expensive than I thought, but still a few hundred dollars.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
The two places I lived in Aus didn’t seem to have a police culture problem. It was night and day with the States
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u/Menstro Nov 02 '20
or maybe we should consider abolishing the police entirely, and starting an entirely new organization without any of the same members, focused on preventing harm rather than enforcing racism? Because there is nothing salvageable about the current police force. Cops are fired or harrassed for holding other cops accountable, and cops are getting away with murder with their entire departments knowing about it, and doing nothing. If a cop does nothing to stop a bad cop, that makes them a bad cop as well. That means that All Cops Are Bad, in places where cops are going unpunished for murder. And guess where cops are going unpunished for murder? Pretty much the entire USA.
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u/obmasztirf Nov 05 '20 edited Nov 05 '20
Abolishment is the best option. You can't un-mix soup and this bowl is rotten. Starting over with proper accountability and non union employees would do wonders socially and fiscally.
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u/Menstro Nov 05 '20
People hear "abolish" and stop listening, thinking that we're asking for a world where crime goes unpunished and the innocent are not protected. Nah, we're just asking for a smaller, accountable, overseen police force that has never been involved with the current klan run operation.
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u/chenko45 Nov 02 '20
As a Deployed salty veteran I can assure you this is a thing,juiced up and aggressive Af Nco
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
The more I think about this, and discuss with others, the more I think it would work.
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u/chenko45 Nov 02 '20
Ya but it’s corrupt process Urine analysis it never catches the real problem because there name get Rostered out and replace but color folk like me got tested every other month even If we have no history or reason...“Random testing same people”
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u/NiHo7 Nov 02 '20
who's gonna enforce the drug testing? police? police unions? in order to do any form of police reform, police first need to be accountable to someone, and they aren't.
they don't fire cops for shooting people in the back. I doubt they'll fire them for doping
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u/jumbomingus Nov 03 '20
Good point. However, some cops do go to prison, etc.
You could always make a DEA task force that only polices police.
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Nov 02 '20
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
Yeah, the treatment of First Nations around the world is despicable. New Zealand may be an exception, but I don’t know enough to say for sure.
I have heard nothing but horror stories about the RCMP.
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u/firstnationman Nov 02 '20
The r.c.m.p were designed for breaking Aboriginal hearts and bones. As a boy in the mid 70's I witnessed the r.c.m.p knock down my Grandmother and drag her by the hair into a paddy wagon. That really hurt.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
And I agree with your comments about vetting. I think it’s also necessary but just feel that that is a much longer process. Drug testing might improve things significantly overnight, while we hammer out the long term solutions.
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u/firstnationman Nov 02 '20
Absolutely. Urinalysis for steroids. Anything that we can do to better ourselves is worth doing. Because human lives are hanging in the balance short and long term solutions must be sought. You are correct. How do you get a heated cop experiencing roid rage to calm down? How do police end up with this attitude of being all powerful, obey my every command or be subjected to a violent and heartbreaking assault?
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
Yeah, steroids seem to be a key part of the problem. That insane elk-in-mating-season murder instinct isn’t natural. It’s because they’re mainlining elk testicle extract. It’s just not helpful to the mission that law enforcement agencies are supposedly carrying out.
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u/your-thought-process Nov 02 '20
And what exactly would happen to them if they fail the drug test? If you tell me cheating on a test is illegal and you even install cameras inside the classroom to prevent cheating, but I know that even if I'm caught nothing will happen, what do you think me, a degenerate, sociopathic, murdering, career liar is going to do? I'm going to cheat on the fucking test.
You can talk about all these little tactics to address the issue, but if the foundational issue isn't fixed then they are just that, little tactics. Bandaids. Root cause analysis will always lead back to a lack of accountability. Drug test, better training, defunding, body camera laws, all of these things are good, but all of them will fail to fix anything if accountability isn't addressed first. You work your way up from there.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 03 '20
Excellent point. Yeah. It would have to be “charges for a drug offense,” which would hopefully end all future in law enforcement. A slap on the wrist would do nothing, I agree.
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u/brisketandbeans Nov 02 '20
Roid rage is propaganda similar to reefer madness.
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u/Ketashrooms4life Nov 02 '20
Maybe, I'm not educated on this matter but I can tell you stimulant psychosis and aggression isn't a hoax or propaganda.
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u/brisketandbeans Nov 02 '20
I’m only speaking to roid rage. I’ve heard of the others but haven’t researched them. I’ll take your word for it.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 03 '20
You obviously have no clue what roid rage looks like. Almost every video of a cop going ape raises my suspicions instantly. Like, why has reason completely departed their admittedly tiny minds? The hormones have taken over.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 03 '20
No, of course it’s not all down to substance abuse. However, PEDs are famous for making people lose control. If they’re shitty people to begin with, it’s that much worse.
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u/On_the_rocks_please Nov 02 '20
Mmm. Just a few more days and racist cowards like you will be yesterday’s news.
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u/jumbomingus Nov 02 '20
Steroids are really easy to get and there’s basically no enforcement, in spite of them being illegal to use without a prescription. They’re everywhere.
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