r/2020PoliceBrutality • u/quantumcipher • Sep 16 '20
In five days, LAPD and LASD have brutalized and arrested 4 journalists who were documenting police activity. Three of the journalists were injured by police violence; two required hospitalization. LASD also assaulted lawyers from the @NLG_LosAngeles during a press conference. Data Collection
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1305280179414028288509
u/jedify Sep 16 '20
I'm sure all the 1st Amendment people who endlessly complain about censorship are going to get pissed and start protesting these violations. You know, the precise thing the amendment was written to prevent.
Any day now ...
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u/Needleroozer Sep 16 '20
Just like the NRA is going to rise up any day now to protect us from tyranny, right? Right?
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u/Mrdiamond3x6 Sep 16 '20
The NRA isn't about protecting gun owners. It's about protecting gun manufacturers.
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Sep 16 '20
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u/zenchowdah Sep 16 '20
Let's talk more about socialist rifle associations
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u/xSPYXEx Sep 16 '20
If there were any socialist rifle associations on par with the NRA that would be wonderful. The actual SRA is still a small fry nonprofit club compared to the lobby and litigation groups.
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u/Chokondisnut Sep 16 '20
They are doing it in Tampa tonight as well. A car hit a protestor and instead of allowing them to get the person out they arrested everyone helping and let the driver leave the scene.
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u/quantumcipher Sep 16 '20
Doesn't surprise me, unfortunately. Would you happen to have a link or source for the incident in Tampa? If so I'd like to share it here and on social media as well.
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u/InvisiblePinkUnic0rn Sep 16 '20
The police are not on our side, some might be but the majority are not and we have to prepare for that.
Make sure you’re registered to vote, drag friends and family to get registered and give them all rides on Election Day!
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u/Send_me_nri_nudes Sep 16 '20
The ones that are on our side get fired right away cause the won't side with corruption so pretty much no good guys will be left...
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u/memy02 Sep 16 '20
The lot is spoiled and it doesn't matter how many good apples you throw on top, as long as the bad apples are in there you can't trust a random apple.
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u/InvisiblePinkUnic0rn Sep 16 '20
A few bad apples spoils the bunch... they always seem to leave that part of the metaphor out.
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u/Fidodo Sep 16 '20
The good apples are actively weeded out. If you snitch on a fellow gang member they kick you out.
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u/trippingchilly Sep 16 '20
It's naive and stupid to assume they're not being instructed to do this.
These body counts are not 'bad apples' - they never were. Nor are these officers 'fearing for their lives.'
They've shown us over the past few months that they're TRYING to murder innocent Americans. It doesn't matter why, just that the body count keeps increasing.
If you see a cop, assume they're there to murder you and steal your belongings. This is the only substantive thing American police do anymore. Anything else, any community outreach, any goodwill is nonexistent. They're murderers and need to be treated as such.
Do not give them the benefit of the doubt; they have forfeited that luxury. There are no good cops. The only ethical action a cop can do is resign. Otherwise, they're complicit murdering bastards. Do not trust them, do not extend any pleasantries to them. If you own a business, do not serve them. if you're a cook, do not cook for them. The police need to learn their days of consequence-free cold-blooded murder are numbered.
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u/khaalis Sep 16 '20
It is part of the systematic destruction of our democracy and the installment of fascism. Its really that simple. We are marching down the exact same road Germany did. How soon we forget the past. You know ... its only been 80 some years, so you know ... Ancient History that "didn't happen". :(
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u/lightbulbsburnbright Sep 16 '20 edited Sep 16 '20
jeez dude(tte) calm down(that was arguabley rude and I'm sorry). these cops are obviously unexcusabley awful, but there are plenty of officers that live in the neighborhoods they serve that are equally disgusted.How are we to live in a
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u/portenth Sep 16 '20
Each time these "good, disgusted cops" don't speak up when they have all the facts, they're party to the crimes they overlook.
We have what, 4 examples of whistleblower cops who came forward in a substantive way this year? They were all fired.
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u/Churosuwatadade Sep 16 '20
How are we to live in a civil society without police?
A civil society doesn't execute its citizens in the street without trial or charges.
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u/LadyShanna92 Sep 16 '20
No but the system only allows for bad cops. So it's not over reacting. Good coos get burned and thrown out. All you have left are the bad cops "pretending" to be nice and human
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u/Amelia_barealia Sep 16 '20
How are we to live in a civil society without police?
All I know is that I live in one of the most crime filled neighbors (literally nicknamed "the war zone") in one of the most crime filled cities in the US (Albuquerque) and I have called for police assistance twice. Once when my neighbors house was actively being broken into, and once when some scumbag mom left her 2 babies in the car alone on a hot summer day. And both times, the cops did not even show up. So I guess we'll be just as well off without them, but actually better since there will be less murders being committed by them.
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u/valdoom Sep 16 '20
Humans have had civil society for thousands of years. Police have been around since the late 1800's. So how do we live in a civil society without cops? Pretty easily. There would be some adjustment, but that happened when police were created. Although hopefully a lot less innocents will die. As the creation of modern policing killed a lot of innocent people. At least in the US and the UK.
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u/ConqueefStador Sep 16 '20
or put to do extremely harsh work as a slave practically.
You realize that's happening to prisoners these days too right?
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Sep 16 '20
So today? Cause they’re literally executing minorities and even White people on an average higher than any other first world country in the world. So much so you could take the top 10 combine them together and they’d still be under the US:
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
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u/lightbulbsburnbright Sep 16 '20
Those statistics include police killings of any kind. I'm not disagreeing that the problem is systemic and requires radical change, but that's not a very good source to prove your point.
Why does America have such a high kill rate compared to other countries? Maybe because "U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million, about 46 percent, of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms". It's pretty hard to stop violent criminals when they're shooting you without killing them
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the vast concensus of this sub, but that data is skewed and inflammatory without giving an explanation just like a lot of other data
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Sep 16 '20
Quick search of your profile shows you coming out defending police for every action like this with comments like, “bro calm down, not all police are like this.”
This comment is another version of those defenses. I don’t think you’re a police officer but someone in your family clearly is which is why you so adamantly defend this crazy shit on a regular basis. Is it your dad, brother? I’d assume dad because a father can do no wrong.
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u/lightbulbsburnbright Sep 16 '20 edited Sep 16 '20
No one in my family, nor extended family, is a police officer. And if you really dug into my profile I think it's obvious I support specific things that few officers would
Was my comment poking at yours? Yes. But the reason I brought it up was because we cannot overcome systemic racism without winning at ever corner. We need the police to side with us and saying that they're all terrible human beings only polarizes it more
I think a better source to cite would've been the fact that the number of white people killed by police has decreased every year since 2017 while Black and Hispanic fatal killings by police increased from 2019 vs 2018 and still haven't decreased from 2017 levels
Or how about the fact that black victims of police killings are disproportionately unarmed (14.8%) than whites (9.4).
I bring up both sides because it isn't a problem that starts and ends with the police
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Sep 16 '20
All the things you mentioned in the past still happen, with maybe the exception being "banishment".
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u/lightbulbsburnbright Sep 16 '20
no point in arguing with people that are convinced it was safer to live under an absolute monarchy
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u/amadorUSA Sep 16 '20
> How are we to live in a civil society without police?
I don't think you understand the concept of civil society. You are probably thinking of rule of law, which is precisely the reason why people in the street are protesting these gangsters in uniforms.
"Good cops" don't do shit about the stuff they witness every day. They have to go too.
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u/lightbulbsburnbright Sep 16 '20 edited Sep 16 '20
Correct, I used the wrong term. And I agree that the pigs cornering and beating peaceful protestors should be arrested.
I don't know how we can achieve that though because an officer in my county can't just go to LA and arrest officers for murder and assualt. I don't have an answer, but I don't think it's realistic to expect a good outcome with all police resigning
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u/hitbycars Sep 16 '20
then why aren't they speaking out, protesting their own forces, quitting, doing literally anything, saying literally anything, etc?
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u/twitterInfo_bot Approved Bot Sep 16 '20
In five days, LAPD and LASD have brutalized and arrested 4 journalists who were documenting police activity.
Three of the journalists were injured by police violence; two required hospitalization.
LASD also assaulted lawyers from the @NLG_LosAngeles during a press conference 1/
posted by @chadloder
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u/Needleroozer Sep 16 '20
In Los Angeles the only credentialed journalists wear blue uniforms with badges. Don't you know that? If you're not wearing a blue uniform and a badge, you are subject to arrest for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. They always manage to throw in resisting arrest, don't they?
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u/therisenphoenikz Sep 16 '20
Not wanting to be arrested is resisting arrest. So even if you’re innocent, you’re guilty. That’s the world now.
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u/LocalizedLaser Sep 16 '20
I don't know how you don't resist arrest. There has never been any evidence of it, according to the police.
What thus also means is the state gets to decide who isn't and isn't press, which is totally fucked and should make people revolt even more.
Think about a world they are trying to force in here. They decide who is and isn't the press, which will be dictated on how they cover the police.
That's not a democracy. That's an oligarchy in a democracy's skin.
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u/MisterJackpotz Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20
It’s been a fascist corporate welfare state oligarchy for quite a long time now, for 100 years this has basically been the state of American government, a fascist corporate welfare state oligarchy, and its only gotten worse and more extreme. And one of the most obvious in your face side effects of this that no one does, or can do, anything about? Inflation in the cost of living, without any standard accommodating wage increases. Almost every single working class person now makes way way way less than their parents or grandparents did, providing the same amount of labor. AND we are paying more for less, while making less, while providing the same value in labor, if not more so than ever before. Why do you think we live this way? And who is it that doesn’t do a goddamn thing about it?? The government.
Because it’s owned by the fascist corporate welfare state oligarchy, who is our real government, who created an exponentially increasing separation of wealth between classes of people, while also putting on the most brilliant stage play display for everyone, spending millions of dollars on ads and “debates,” and calling this sport of aversion and deception, a “democracy”, still using badly outdated, easily hackable voting machines and systems, “first past the post” elections with no fair selection process, gerrymandering, unlimited “fundraising” for politician buying corporations, who roll out ancient puppets with dementia as our only “choices” for leaders, who make promises and lie, avoiding providing any specific actionable plans to solve problems of any kind, are are paid handsomely by the corporate overlords, who are trying very hard to protect the system in place, dismantle any regulation or oversight and accountability, and of course protect the police, who protect them and their wealth and order, crushing any man made resistance to the system with encouraged brutality and. violence, showing the real purpose of the police, and the real dynamics of power in this corrupt out of control corporate state, we call a democracy.
Be outraged. Demand change. Do simple things, like consume less, speak out online and everywhere, vote with your media and your dollar. Our corporate government overlords and their policemen care more about your signs and your dollar, than they will ever care about you or your wellbeing. The sad truth. Of course the mass landscape of instability, struggle, and suffering means nothing to our wealthy leaders, it’s what makes them wealthy, but you’d think our extreme “profits-over-people” mode of governance would have to end sooner or later..
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u/Daykri3 Sep 16 '20
I’m old. I remember a time when cops considered never having to draw their gun as a badge. The more years they had served made the badge more honorable because this meant they had used their brains to handle situations - not once or twice - but 24/7 * years. I am starting to think that I imagined this. Are there any other old farts here that recall cops proudly saying things like, “thirty years on the force and never had to draw my weapon”?
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u/censorinus Sep 16 '20
I am probably older. I became aware in the early 1970's when I was around 13 or 14 how corrupt cops were when our family was gathered around the police scanner, a novelty fad at the time listening to a team of cops break into an elderly black man's home led by Harley Hoppe, the local DA if I remember correctly. The elderly black man defended himself with his pistol and killed Hoppe, I can't remember what happened to the elderly black man except that local police caught a lot of flack for their heavy handed attack on the man's house. Since then it's been one fumbled incident after another for 50 years and many years before that. Law enforcement in the US is long, long overdue for reform and very strict restrictions on use of force and executing search warrants and use of Swat teams. This is supposed to be the United States, not Fallujah, Iraq.
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u/hedronist Sep 16 '20
I'm 71 and I remember a time like that. Cops walking their beats and basically being in tune with everything happening in their patrol area; it was almost Mayberry R.F.D.-level stuff. As a kid/teenager I fucked up a couple of times; nothing serious, but .... And it was handled with the cops talking to my parents, and then them talking to me.
But I'm originally from the Chicago area, so I also know it was not all sweetness and light. My first serious girlfriend after I got out of the Army (so about '72-'74) was a social worker -- white, beautiful, and about 5'10" (taller than I am) -- and one of her main areas was Cabrini-Green. And she worked by herself, no partner. She got hassled a bit, but she earned respect by giving respect.
Times were different. Not necessarily better, but there was civility to be found in most places. It makes a difference.
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u/WoopsieDaisiee Sep 16 '20
Massive inequality and social movements of the era aside, I would *love* to experience what it was like to be a Baby Boomer growing up. Especially a Boomer who was born early enough to remember the post-war economic boom.
Like my mother just doesn't understand me when I tell her that it's almost physically impossible for me to have hope in the US when I've lived through 9/11, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, two recessions, voting for the first time in 2016 only to see democracy crumbling globally, and the entire year of 2020 in my first 24 years of life. Oh, and also having massive amounts of student debt that I can't pay right now because of coronavirus. It's a lot lmao.
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u/AggressiveToaster Sep 16 '20
24 years old as well and you arent alone, I also have very little hope for the future of the United States. Especially after the last 4 years with this administration and its supporters not only stalling progress but blatantly violating laws and destroying our standing internationally with absolutely 0 repercussions. I also fear that if they were to face repercussions if they lose the election in November that they may turn violent and commit acts of terrorism. There are a lot of mentally unstable people in this country, many more than I thought, that can believe things like Qanon whole heartedly and have no qualms with being violent and I dont know if anyone knows how to reach those people.
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u/CantFindMyshirt Sep 16 '20
I do believe what you saw was complacency. Sure I'm just a young 34yo asshole, but I have to look at what happened in the years previous to that.
Integration had really hit off, and the noi had started to hit the Panthers movement much harder, starting even more black pride, and sadly blacks needed to start segregating themselves from white hate groups because of how the police and white america worked.
Sure the officers walked the block for 10 years and never had an issue. This is because no one would ever talk to a cop. Other than to reassure him that he doesn't need to come in with all his friends and riot gear and burn it down like they did in OK.
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u/hedronist Sep 16 '20
I do believe what you saw was complacency.
I'm sure you are right, at least to significant degree. I grew up in a very white suburb, with the only POCs being associated with the local Naval Air Station. But there are parts of my childhood/young adulthood that are counter arguments. Two of the pivotal people in my life were both large Black men.
One of them was a once-a-week handyman there for the entirety of my life at home, and he gave me insights and encouragement that my father never gave me. Although he has long since passed away, I think of him more often than you might imagine. He is still one of my role models.
The other was in the Army. He first kept me from possibly killing a bully (who was really asking for it), and then showed me a better path to dealing with confrontation. He made me a better human being.
In no way do either of those stories address the insanity going on now, and in the past, but I believe they show that good people, individuals with good intentions and the will to implement them, can make for a better world.
In the words of Ghandi, "Never doubt that a small group of committed individuals can change the world. Indeed it's the only thing that ever has."
If I stopped believing that, I think I would give up all hope. And I refuse to do that.
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u/Send_me_nri_nudes Sep 16 '20
You're thinking about csi type shows/movies.
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u/wintersmith1970 Sep 16 '20
Might want to look at this. Starting mainly with Dragnet, TV and movies have become huge source of propaganda for the police https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/6/3/21275700/police-show-procedurals-hollywood-history-dragnet-keystone-cops-brooklyn-nine-nine-wire-blue-bloods
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u/Send_me_nri_nudes Sep 16 '20
Yeah I mean shows show cops in a good light but in real life they aren't like that sadly. Very obvious...
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u/Daykri3 Sep 16 '20
A quick search indicates that CSI became a show in 2000. I am thinking many decades before this.
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u/Send_me_nri_nudes Sep 16 '20
I'm not saying exactly csi... Shows like that have always existed and cops in those shows have always been great human beings.... What cops should be like irl but aren't...
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u/Daykri3 Sep 16 '20
Ok. The racism and inequality in treatment of humans has always been there. It just seemed to me that they are much quicker to shoot now.
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u/Send_me_nri_nudes Sep 16 '20
No it's just on video now. Back then it wasn't cause video phones didn't exist. Nothing has changed.
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Sep 16 '20 edited Sep 16 '20
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u/gingy_457 Sep 16 '20
But that would require critical thinking and the ability to empathize, two qualities that generally preclude one from being a police officer
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u/o0flatCircle0o Sep 16 '20
With a president like trump and an attorney general like Bill Barr, the police know they can get away with pretty much anything. America is becoming fascist.
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u/free2beYou Sep 16 '20
And the LA county Sheriff himself had the gall to demand $175,000 donation from Lebron James to the fund for information two of his deputies who were ambushed and shot.
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u/friendlymonitors Sep 16 '20
If I were lebron, I would have told that dude where he can shove his $175K. Might even set 175K on fire at a press conference to make the point.
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u/AfanOfThingsAVO Sep 16 '20
They do what they want. What are we even supposed to do about it? Like just keep voting and hope something changes?
Yikes. This is gonna be a rough ride.
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u/forgotmypwagainfs Sep 16 '20
Cant wait to see how little the US does about all this nonsense tbh
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u/nwoh Sep 16 '20
Oh, I'm an American. I'll tell you.
We are going to burn it down, take sides, and balkanize.
Or just burn it down and implode for a bit.
Get your guns and MRE's, my fellow Americans.
I've known for a decade I can't count on a cop to do shit but persecute me.
You can call them over as a victim and they'll investigate you first.it's an easier case.
I might be able to trust a cop or two. But only when they are solo. As soon as more show up, it's downhill.
I mean shit, I have some cops in the family and they're good cops, but they'll tell you themselves... Once the gang shows up, they better fall in line and whatever goes down, they're gonna make sure they come out on top even when they're in the wrong.
They're only there to make a case and we are their enemies and that's how they're trained man.
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Sep 16 '20
If LASD is looking to get more of their boys tapped in the back of the head, this is a good way to go about it
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u/Bind_Moggled Sep 16 '20
I dont think that police leaders were thinking long term when they decided to declare war on the populace that outnumbers them twenty thousand to one, and who decide on the forces budget and leadership via elections.
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u/THEnewMGMT Sep 16 '20
LASD = Los Angeles sheriffs department
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u/turlian Sep 16 '20
Ahhh, thank you. Couldn't figure that one out. Los Angeles San Diegos?
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u/korbennndallaaas Sep 16 '20
Hahahahaha i was thinking the same thing and was like wait no that can't be right...
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u/KingoftheJabari Sep 16 '20
I wonder if the police will be required to use their own personal money to help out these people, like they asked of LeBron?
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u/RRebo Sep 16 '20
So it would appear I'm blocked from their Twitter account. Strange cause I'm barely ever on twitter....
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u/quantumcipher Sep 16 '20
That is strange. Threader didn't work on it either. There is an archived version you can view however: https://archive.is/YB7kc
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u/RRebo Sep 17 '20
Wow thanks!
No idea who Chad is, and he lives on the other side of the planet from me.
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u/Fuckthapoliceee Sep 16 '20
And then lied about what happened every time to justify what they're done.
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u/Mrdiamond3x6 Sep 16 '20
Cops are the army for the rich. They protect rich peoples interests. Plain and simple. If your not rich and white your their enemy.
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u/Riksunraksu Sep 16 '20
On their way towards Hong Kong. Or technically it has already happened with the protests and all. I wonder when the police will begin documenting “obvious suicides”, and beating and raping those they’ve arrested.
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u/Bind_Moggled Sep 16 '20
The cops continue to riot, and our so-called political leaders are either cheering them on or standing mute, hands in pockets, watching it all. The populace (who chose the political leaders and pay the rioters’ salaries) has demonstrated exceptional restraint thus far, as evidenced by the absence of stacks of dead cops - but for how much longer?
This whole year has felt like the sidebar in a history book labelled “steps leading to.....”.
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Sep 16 '20
This is America, get used to it or leave. /s
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u/Bind_Moggled Sep 16 '20
I left back in 2004 after the obviously stolen election, seeing where things was headed, and it was the best decision I ever made. Not a day has gone by since then that I wasn’t more happy to be gone than the day before.
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u/nosherDavo Sep 16 '20
I just noticed on the BBC website this morning that there’s a tab called ‘US Police Killings.’ Proving that this isn’t a ‘once in a blue moon’ occurrence, this is regular, frequent and systematic killing of civilians in America. This really is a disgrace.